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David……..Good Job you have seen it right. A soul can (ONLY) Exist With a BODY and SPIRIT in it. Much of this false teaching about Souls continuing to live after death came from Pagan false teachings. Our hope is that GOD will resurrect for us a BODY and Add Spirit Back into it and then we will again become a (LIVING) Soul. Even the Valley of Dead Bones in Ezekiel proves this. Our hope must always be in the resurrection of our bodies as Jesus' Was Also. God did not leave Jesus' BODY in the GRAVE to SEE Corruption as he does with the rest of Mankind. Even Paul understood the need for a resurrected body, telling us, if Jesus did not raise from the DEAD our Hope is in vain, and he was not talking about some Spiritual unseen Body, but a Physically seen Body. It is crucial we are given another BODY in order to be a LIVING Soul again after we die. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Jeff Benner of the Ancient Hebrew Research Center Defines soul thusly —
What is the soul? Webster' Dictionary gives the following definition. “The spiritual nature of humans, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.” In most cases people will understand the soul through this definition. But, as I have so often stated, our interpretation of Biblical words should be from a Hebraic perspective, not a modern western perspective such as English.
The Hebrew word translated as “soul” is the word nephesh (Strong's #5315). If we look at the various ways in which this word is translated in an English translation, such as the KJV, we will see a wide variation in its interpretation. Some of these translations include; soul, life, person, mind, heart, creature, body, dead, desire, man, appetite, lust, thing, self, beast, pleasure, ghost, breath and will. What exactly does this word mean?
I had always assumed that only humans had a soul but, it was during a study of the word “soul” that I discovered that translations often influence how we interpret Biblical concepts. In Genesis 2:7 we find that man is a “living soul” and in Genesis 1:21 we find that animals are “living creatures”. When I first started using a concordance to look up the original Hebrew words I was amazed to find out that these two phrases were the identical Hebrew phrases – nephesh chayah. Why would the translators translate nephesh chayah as “living soul” in one place and “living creatures” in another? It was this discovery that prompted me to learn the Hebrew language.
In the Hebrew mind we are composed of three entities; body, breath and mind. In future issues we will examine each of these but for now let us simply make some general definitions for them. The body is the flesh, bones and blood, the vessel. The mind is ones thoughts and emotions. The breath is ones character, what makes a person who they are.
The soul is the whole of the person, the unity of the body, breath and mind. It is not some immaterial spiritual entity it is you, all of you, your whole being or self.Martian,…….I also believe the Soul is the Complete you , Which includes our Bodies It is the combination of Body+ Spirit (intellect) of Mind. If we put all the scriptures together that David Posted it come out that way . Jesus said there Two thing GOD could destory in the GRAVE. He made it clear that our SOUL is what is susceptible to destruction IN the GRAVE. This backs up many scriptures also.
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Nick……..Jesus' body was saved from corruption so i believe it has (never) corrupted and He still has the same Body he was raised with and assented up into heaven with. And if we have a replacement it still is a Body with spirit in it. That is what a Soul consists of. The form or type of Body is not the question Here , but we must have a resurected or reconstructed Body or we can not be a LIVING SOUL, that is the Point were making here. God can cause any BODY to continue to Live if he so choses to. Adam and EVE could have continued to live and never die if they would have eaten of the tree of life. A GOD said about them. To say salvation of the Body is not possible is the same as saying that the Soul can not be saved either and putting limits on GOD'S Powers. IMO
peace and love………………….gene
Hi M,
The flesh body is temporary so how can you say it is essential to being a person??
The spirit returns to God so how is it essential??Hi M,
Men will be recompensed for DEEDS DONE IN THE BODY.
[2Cor5.10]
So WE will be IN a flesh body only for a timeQuote (Gene Balthrop @ May 09 2010,10:21) David……..Good Job you have seen it right. A soul can (ONLY) Exist With a BODY and SPIRIT in it. Much of this false teaching about Souls continuing to live after death came from Pagan false teachings. Our hope is that GOD will resurrect for us a BODY and Add Spirit Back into it and then we will again become a (LIVING) Soul. Even the Valley of Dead Bones in Ezekiel proves this. Our hope must always be in the resurrection of our bodies as Jesus' Was Also. God did not leave Jesus' BODY in the GRAVE to SEE Corruption as he does with the rest of Mankind. Even Paul understood the need for a resurrected body, telling us, if Jesus did not raise from the DEAD our Hope is in vain, and he was not talking about some Spiritual unseen Body, but a Physically seen Body. It is crucial we are given another BODY in order to be a LIVING Soul again after we die. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Gene, two questions;
One, where in the Bible does it say you “have” a soul?
Two, what is the difference between a “soul” and a “spirit”?
No opinions, scriptural facts please.Georg
Hi ,
The soul is the person.
It is of our nature that life requires a body and a spirit.
Neither the body that is lived in for a time nor the spirit that returns to God is the person.Nick,
It seems to me from reading scripture that you are correct that the soul is the person who lives in the tent of their body and walks according to the ways of their spirit.
Hi KW,
The spirit gives life and is a lamp of God.
But we walk according to our soul's decisions and most follow the god of this world.David,
Thank you for answering my query. That soul may have more than one definition in scripture is consistent with how words are often used in various languages. I have to research what you have told me and that may take some time.
That translators may have shown bias in translating from one language to another is a fact that should be obvious though it is also well known. Never the less I am glad you mentioned it.
Your explanation about the event of the Witch of Endor summoning the “spirit” of Samuel does not ring correct since scripture does not treat it as fraudulent in any way.
In logic just because a statement is true of some does not mean it is true of all. It is true that some so called spiritualist are frauds but that does not lead to the conclusion that all those called spiritualists are frauds. Given the situation people would most likely find other form of fraud to make a buck. The woman was probably sincere and saw her “gift” as coming from her false God. It was probably the gift of a demon.
God may well allow Satan and his servants to perform miracles because God tests the hearts of mankind.
In addition be careful not to give to narrow interpretation to scripture as it is sometimes known to speak in generalities.
Martain,
Thank you for your answer.
John Brenner is most likely correct in part since at times the word soul does appear to mean the whole individual but as David said it also appears to have other definitions.
For instance John Brenner’s definition does not appear to fit the context of the scripture Deuteronomy 6:5.
To all,
So it is written:
Psalms 16:10(KJV) reads:
Quote For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
And
Psalms 30:3(KJV) reads:
Quote O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.
And
Psalms 49:15(KJV) reads:
Quote But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah
If the Greek or Hebrew word is correctly translated to “soul” then all three of those contradict the hypothesis that Gene proposed that the soul does not exist after death. It also contradicts the idea put forth by Jeff Brenner that the soul includes the flesh, which may or may not exist after death.
My thanks to David for directing my attention to the scriptures I used.
Kerwin……….None of those scriptures you quoted is saying the Soul is not connect with the BODY in fact they are saying that the soul and body that has spirit in it are one and the same thing. What do you think it means when it say GOD would no leaves His (Jesus') soul in the grave to see corruption is that not a body being talked about. And Show any resurrection By GOD the does not include a BODY , The valley of dry bones is depicting (ALL) the House of Israel, shows them being raised with bodies and Jesus himself was raised with a body. So it is up to you to prove their is a Soul that can exist outside of a Body.
Jesus plainly said GOD could destory (BOTH) Two things, body and Spirit which equal a Soul in the GRAVE. Destroy means to no longer exist, And where does that take place (IN THE GRAVE). Many confuse SPIRIT with a SOUL because Spirit is (PART) of a SOUL One part and the BODY is the Other Part , a Person can not exist as a Person or SOUL without (BOTH) a Body with Spirit in it. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Kerwin……All the scriptures you have above quoted is referencing a person whose body did not decompose in the grave it is referencing Jesus, Who God did not leave His body in the grave to see corruption. It has nothing to do with any one else, and if God would have not raised Jesus' body from the Grave When he did He would still be in it and be dead, His soul would no longer exist until God resurected a BODY and added His spirit back into it. No one has produced any scripture that say a Being consists of, a Soul, a Body, and a SPIRIT. That would equal three things and Jesus said plainly there were only (TWO) thing that could be destroyed (IN the GRAVE)> the Body and the SPIRIT , which is the SOUL. IMO
peace and love……………..gene
Gene,
The bottom line is that the soul does exist in the grave. You are claiming it does not since a person in their grave, even Jesus, is dead.
I admit that Deuteronomy 6:5 does not mention flesh but it does mention soul, heart, and strength as being separate parts of the human being.
I would like to know what Hebrew words that the King James translators translated into the words heart, soul, and strength.
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