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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2014,07:50) Hi WU,
Contradiction?
You said Jesus was born by the will of God
So are his brothers
wakeupJohn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
N/wJust to be true in all things
all of Christ brothers are born or reborn “THROUGH CHRIST SACRIFICE ” BUT JESUS IS NOT REBORN THROUGH HIS OWN SACRIFICE THIS WOULD A LIE ,
AND SO ARE ALL TRUE BELIEVERS
Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,00:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2014,07:50) Hi WU,
Contradiction?
You said Jesus was born by the will of God
So are his brothers
wakeupJohn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
N/wJust to be true in all things
all of Christ brothers are born or reborn “THROUGH CHRIST SACRIFICE ” BUT JESUS IS NOT REBORN THROUGH HIS OWN SACRIFICE THIS WOULD A LIE ,
AND SO ARE ALL TRUE BELIEVERS
T,John 1:13 does not specify rebirth. Jesus was born of the Spirit of God the first time and so not need to be adopted by being born of the Spirit of God the second time.
Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,00:15) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,00:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2014,07:50) Hi WU,
Contradiction?
You said Jesus was born by the will of God
So are his brothers
wakeupJohn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
N/wJust to be true in all things
all of Christ brothers are born or reborn “THROUGH CHRIST SACRIFICE ” BUT JESUS IS NOT REBORN THROUGH HIS OWN SACRIFICE THIS WOULD A LIE ,
AND SO ARE ALL TRUE BELIEVERS
T,John 1:13 does not specify rebirth. Jesus was born of the Spirit of God the first time and so not need to be adopted by being born of the Spirit of God the second time.
KChrist was born through the works of the POWER OF GOD,
THE HOLY SPIRIT ALSO CALLED THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH stand for the accomplishment and the fulfilling of the prophecy ,
ALL WHAT HAPPEN FROM THE TIME THE ANGEL APPEARS TO MARY IS PROPHECY,
T,
You do not have the idea of the Holy Spirit correct as it is more than one thing. As the Counselor it is the Spirit of Love that is in God. We know that because the fruits of the Spirit and the fruits of Love are one and the same. God lives in believes trough the Spirit of love because when we walk by that Spirit we will do as God would do and we will speak as God would speak because God is Love. If we do not Love then we are not living by the Spirit.
Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,01:07) T, You do not have the idea of the Holy Spirit correct as it is more than one thing. As the Counselor it is the Spirit of Love that is in God. We know that because the fruits of the Spirit and the fruits of Love are one and the same. God lives in believes trough the Spirit of love because when we walk by that Spirit we will do as God would do and we will speak as God would speak because God is Love. If we do not Love then we are not living by the Spirit.
Kthe love of God is a action that God performs/gives/
but always will it be done through the spirit of truth ;for God cannot lie ,and so the spirit of truth can be a comforter/counselor this is done during our lives during the night or day,when we are sleeping or awake ,God's love is at hand IT IS OUR LOVE FOR HIM THAT IS THE QUESTION NOT HISboth are needed to communicate
T,
We use love to mean an emotion but the bible seems to use it somewhat differently. It is something to look into as Scripture states it is the sum of the law.
Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,04:36) T, We use love to mean an emotion but the bible seems to use it somewhat differently. It is something to look into as Scripture states it is the sum of the law.
Kyes the body demonstrate his love by emotions and feelings
but God and the spirit shows love to be an action and so a demonstration of love through our action but not through our emotion ,
it does not mean that emotions are bad ,but they have to be lined up with the actions of the love of the spirit ;
look at the wording of the first commandment
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,11:39) Nathan was sent from above because God sent him. He was not sent from this world because is message was from above and not of this world.
Wrong. Nathan was born on this earth, and was sent “from” God from one place on earth to another place on earth.That is not “sent from above”….. because Nathan never was “above”.
Surely you realize that the word used of John being sent “from God” also means “by”, and therefore the teaching is that John was sent “BY God” – not actually “FROM God” – as if John was beside God in heaven before God sent him.
And surely you realize that being sent “BY God” is not the same thing as being sent “FROM heaven”.
Mike,
The location of Nathan's birth is irrelevant. He is an officer of government of God. No matter where he physically came from he was sent from heaven. You know this already as you know that the troop were sent from Washington is speaking of troops being sent from the government. It is just telling you where the order comes from or who gave it.
Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,04:55) Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,04:36) T, We use love to mean an emotion but the bible seems to use it somewhat differently. It is something to look into as Scripture states it is the sum of the law.
Kyes the body demonstrate his love by emotions and feelings
but God and the spirit shows love to be an action and so a demonstration of love through our action but not through our emotion ,
it does not mean that emotions are bad ,but they have to be lined up with the actions of the love of the spirit ;
look at the wording of the first commandment
T,Love is a Spirit by which God lives in us and the fruit of it is loving actions and words.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
New International Version (NIV)4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,08:37) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,04:55) Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,04:36) T, We use love to mean an emotion but the bible seems to use it somewhat differently. It is something to look into as Scripture states it is the sum of the law.
Kyes the body demonstrate his love by emotions and feelings
but God and the spirit shows love to be an action and so a demonstration of love through our action but not through our emotion ,
it does not mean that emotions are bad ,but they have to be lined up with the actions of the love of the spirit ;
look at the wording of the first commandment
T,Love is a Spirit by which God lives in us and the fruit of it is loving actions and words.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
New International Version (NIV)4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
kCAN YOU NOT SEE THAT WHAT YOU SAY IS REALLY WHAT i JUST TOLD YOU IN MY LAST QUOTE,
THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH ;IS SPIRIT BUT IS NOT A BEING
FIRST UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES ;
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
New International Version (NIV)4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
LOOK WHAT IT SAYS ; LOVE IS PATIENT ; Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth,ECT….
DO YOU SEE THAT ALL THOSE FRUITS ARE ACTIONS FROM PRACTICING GODLY LOVE
SO THE “
SPIRIT OF TRUTH “ IS IN REALITY A TRUE WAY OF GODLY LIVING ;ALL ACCORDING TO GOD'S WILL FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL ,
GOD ADD GIVEN TWO THINGS TO CHRIST ;1) THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH ;SO THAT WHAT EVER HE SAID IS TRUE ;
AND HE ALSO GIVE HIM “POWER ” TO DO THINGS FOR THAT SAME TRUTH ;POWER CHRIST ALSO GIVE TO HIS APOSTLES IN SOME MEASURESO HONESTLY WE CAN SAY THAT A PERSON THAT HAS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH SHOULD PRODUCE THE FRUITS OF IT ,BECAUSE THE FRUITS FROM THE INSIDE OF THE SOUL WILL BE REFLECTED BY THE FLESH ON THE OUTSIDE ,LIVING WORDS ;
T,
If you say that you are saying the same thing then I must assume you are talking about unless I have firm evidence otherwise. All I have is your use of statements I find unusual. That does not seem to be firm evidence.
Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,10:53) T, If you say that you are saying the same thing then I must assume you are talking about unless I have firm evidence otherwise. All I have is your use of statements I find unusual. That does not seem to be firm evidence.
K i do not understandT,
You claim that you are saying what I am saying and I have insignificant evidence that you are mistaken therefore I will assume you and I are in agreement on this.
Otherwise I see no good reason to disagree with you.
Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2014,02:49) T, You claim that you are saying what I am saying and I have insignificant evidence that you are mistaken therefore I will assume you and I are in agreement on this.
Otherwise I see no good reason to disagree with you.
Kwhat a way to put tings
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,20:28) Mike, The location of Nathan's birth is irrelevant. He is an officer of government of God. No matter where he physically came from he was sent from heaven. You know this already as you know that the troop were sent from Washington is speaking of troops being sent from the government. It is just telling you where the order comes from or who gave it.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, Kerwin.Nathan was never “sent FROM HEAVEN” – which is why such words were never said of him in any scripture. Those words were also never said of John the Baptist, because he also was never sent FROM HEAVEN.
Nor would anyone say the troops were sent FROM Washington – unless they actually were IN Washington before they were sent.
Instead, it would more likely be said that they were sent BY Washington.
The translation that John was a man sent FROM God is misleading, since John was never actually WITH God in heaven before being sent into the wilderness to baptize.
It should be translated, “a man sent BY God” – which coincidentally is another meaning of that Greek word most translate as “from” in that verse.
Kerwin, what point were you trying to make to Pierre with this stuff anyway? I butted in because I saw you post that John was sent “FROM HEAVEN” – something that is never said in any scripture. I wanted to make sure you realized that you were misquoting scripture.
But what were you posting that to Pierre for in the first place?
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,23:45) Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,05:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,03:30) Wakeup, Quote Galatians 4:23
***But he who was of the bondwoman was born*** ***after the flesh***;
***but he of the freewoman was **by promise***.Isaac was the child of the promise but he was also born of the flesh. Being born of the promise of God is more important that being born of the flesh and so Isaac was called the one and only son of Abraham even though Ismael was also his son, as of the flesh.
Both were also conceived of Abraham, as of the will of God, though God only promised the birth of Isaac.
Kso in your understanding we all born by the will of God ;
but it says that we are born by the will of men ,(mom and dad ) want a kid ,
but all men are born through God's arrangement for that purpose (to conceive children) but God does not decide for us how many kid we will or can have ,
you say; Both were also conceived of Abraham, as of the will of God, though God only promised the birth of Isaac.
how you come to the conclusion that the slave kid was was conceived by the will of God
T,Why do you think God does not decide how many children we have when their are woman that want more children than they have but do not have them no matter how they try.
It is written:
Matthew 10:29
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)29 `Are not two sparrows sold for an assar? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father;
If a sparrow cannot die with God's will then a human cannot be conceived without his will.
and this answers you question about man's will.
Proverbs 19:21
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)21 Many [are] the purposes in a man's heart, And the counsel of Jehovah it standeth.
KJn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Ge 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.
being blessed by God into having many children does not eliminate that if you wanted one kid instead of 8 that is your choice not God's ,
the reasons for some women or men not to be productive is a question
but is it related to God ,that would be another question ,what was the purpose to make children
why would it be God's fault that some people are not able to reproduce
i do not think so ,Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2014,05:48) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,20:28) Mike, The location of Nathan's birth is irrelevant. He is an officer of government of God. No matter where he physically came from he was sent from heaven. You know this already as you know that the troop were sent from Washington is speaking of troops being sent from the government. It is just telling you where the order comes from or who gave it.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, Kerwin.Nathan was never “sent FROM HEAVEN” – which is why such words were never said of him in any scripture. Those words were also never said of John the Baptist, because he also was never sent FROM HEAVEN.
Nor would anyone say the troops were sent FROM Washington – unless they actually were IN Washington before they were sent.
Instead, it would more likely be said that they were sent BY Washington.
The translation that John was a man sent FROM God is misleading, since John was never actually WITH God in heaven before being sent into the wilderness to baptize.
It should be translated, “a man sent BY God” – which coincidentally is another meaning of that Greek word most translate as “from” in that verse.
Kerwin, what point were you trying to make to Pierre with this stuff anyway? I butted in because I saw you post that John was sent “FROM HEAVEN” – something that is never said in any scripture. I wanted to make sure you realized that you were misquoting scripture.
But what were you posting that to Pierre for in the first place?
Mike,Sent can use as ordered and from can be used or the source. Consult a dictionary and you will find that our. I looked it up. It is not mistranslated though you may not be used to that used of the words while the translators were more familiar with them.
The pattern is ordered from source. So saying God, heaven, God's throne, above, or anything else that shows the same source has the same general meaning.
I also think by and from are near synonyms in this case.
Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2014,06:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,23:45) Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,05:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,03:30) Wakeup, Quote Galatians 4:23
***But he who was of the bondwoman was born*** ***after the flesh***;
***but he of the freewoman was **by promise***.Isaac was the child of the promise but he was also born of the flesh. Being born of the promise of God is more important that being born of the flesh and so Isaac was called the one and only son of Abraham even though Ismael was also his son, as of the flesh.
Both were also conceived of Abraham, as of the will of God, though God only promised the birth of Isaac.
Kso in your understanding we all born by the will of God ;
but it says that we are born by the will of men ,(mom and dad ) want a kid ,
but all men are born through God's arrangement for that purpose (to conceive children) but God does not decide for us how many kid we will or can have ,
you say; Both were also conceived of Abraham, as of the will of God, though God only promised the birth of Isaac.
how you come to the conclusion that the slave kid was was conceived by the will of God
T,Why do you think God does not decide how many children we have when their are woman that want more children than they have but do not have them no matter how they try.
It is written:
Matthew 10:29
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)29 `Are not two sparrows sold for an assar? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father;
If a sparrow cannot die with God's will then a human cannot be conceived without his will.
and this answers you question about man's will.
Proverbs 19:21
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)21 Many [are] the purposes in a man's heart, And the counsel of Jehovah it standeth.
KJn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Ge 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.
being blessed by God into having many children does not eliminate that if you wanted one kid instead of 8 that is your choice not God's ,
the reasons for some women or men not to be productive is a question
but is it related to God ,that would be another question ,what was the purpose to make children
why would it be God's fault that some people are not able to reproduce
i do not think so ,
T,God allows satan to rule this world. God could put a stop to it but it is his will that Satan rules for a time. It is the all powerful aspect of God. Why does he allow a woman to be infertile. I really do not know much beyond the general statement is God is merciful to who he is merciful and compassionate to who he is compassionate and God has a plan to save all that can be saved.
Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,03:17) Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2014,06:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,23:45) Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,05:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,03:30) Wakeup, Quote Galatians 4:23
***But he who was of the bondwoman was born*** ***after the flesh***;
***but he of the freewoman was **by promise***.Isaac was the child of the promise but he was also born of the flesh. Being born of the promise of God is more important that being born of the flesh and so Isaac was called the one and only son of Abraham even though Ismael was also his son, as of the flesh.
Both were also conceived of Abraham, as of the will of God, though God only promised the birth of Isaac.
Kso in your understanding we all born by the will of God ;
but it says that we are born by the will of men ,(mom and dad ) want a kid ,
but all men are born through God's arrangement for that purpose (to conceive children) but God does not decide for us how many kid we will or can have ,
you say; Both were also conceived of Abraham, as of the will of God, though God only promised the birth of Isaac.
how you come to the conclusion that the slave kid was was conceived by the will of God
T,Why do you think God does not decide how many children we have when their are woman that want more children than they have but do not have them no matter how they try.
It is written:
Matthew 10:29
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)29 `Are not two sparrows sold for an assar? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father;
If a sparrow cannot die with God's will then a human cannot be conceived without his will.
and this answers you question about man's will.
Proverbs 19:21
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)21 Many [are] the purposes in a man's heart, And the counsel of Jehovah it standeth.
KJn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Ge 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.
being blessed by God into having many children does not eliminate that if you wanted one kid instead of 8 that is your choice not God's ,
the reasons for some women or men not to be productive is a question
but is it related to God ,that would be another question ,what was the purpose to make children
why would it be God's fault that some people are not able to reproduce
i do not think so ,
T,God allows satan to rule this world. God could put a stop to it but it is his will that Satan rules for a time. It is the all powerful aspect of God. Why does he allow a woman to be infertile. I really do not know much beyond the general statement is God is merciful to who he is merciful and compassionate to who he is compassionate and God has a plan to save all that can be saved.
Kyou have to see the truth face to face ;men as in his ways destroyed the ecology of the earth ;with all what it now produced ,and the worse is yet to come ,
this the physical things i am talking about above.
but what about the corrupted mind ,heart and soul of men ,what damage is that brings to the table
understand that how further of God we go how worse it get for us as men ,physically and spiritually
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