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  • #388864
    Ed J
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    Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,14:58)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2014,14:51)
    Hi Wakeup,

    At “Pentecost” – God was seen by believers to be indwelling in his believers.     (2Corinthians 6:16)
    At “Feast of Booths” – God will be seen indwelling his believers by the world.    (Jeremiah 31:33-34)

    God bless
    Ed J


    You need to answer my question Re' islam only,
    as being the antichrist.(this is not about the coming or pentecost).

    Your view is that only islam is the antichrist.
    Islam only is NOT babylon the great.
    This whole system of the world, is babylon the great.

    *COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE*
    DOES NOT MEAN COME OUT OF ISLAM.

    ***Please explain your view of islam is the only antichrist**.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    World conquest is the image of the beast. islam is the eighth
    which was of the seventh, which was the Ottoman Empire.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #388866
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2014,15:11)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,14:58)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2014,14:51)
    Hi Wakeup,

    At “Pentecost” – God was seen by believers to be indwelling in his believers.     (2Corinthians 6:16)
    At “Feast of Booths” – God will be seen indwelling his believers by the world.    (Jeremiah 31:33-34)

    God bless
    Ed J


    You need to answer my question Re' islam only,
    as being the antichrist.(this is not about the coming or pentecost).

    Your view is that only islam is the antichrist.
    Islam only is NOT babylon the great.
    This whole system of the world, is babylon the great.

    *COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE*
    DOES NOT MEAN COME OUT OF ISLAM.

    ***Please explain your view of islam is the only antichrist**.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    World conquest is the image of the beast. islam is the eighth
    which was of the seventh, which was the Ottoman Empire.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed;why is babylon the great to you only islam?

    You are spinning, and spinning a web for your self.

    Why is it islam ED? You need to elaborate on this.

    wakeup.

    #388869
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,15:20)
    Ed;why is babylon the great to you only islam?

    You are spinning, and spinning a web for your self.

    Why is it islam ED? You need to elaborate on this.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Why are you spinning my words?  
    …go back and re-read my last few posts,
    so that you can actually understand what I said.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #388875
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2014,15:28)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,15:20)
    Ed;why is babylon the great to you only islam?

    You are spinning, and spinning a web for your self.

    Why is it islam ED? You need to elaborate on this.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Why are you spinning my words?  
    …go back and re-read my last few posts,
    so that you can actually understand what I said.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Why do you put the last empire as a muslem empire?

    You need to answer this question.

    wakeup.

    #388884
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    Because that is what Scripture is pointing to.
    The seven heads of the dragon of Rev.13:1-3 are:

    1. Egypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Medo-Persion
    5. Greek
    6. Roman        <– John's time –>
    7. Ottoman  
     
    And the 8th, which came out of the seventh is   Muhammadin-islam

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #388916
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2014,16:10)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Because that is what Scripture is pointing to.
    The seven heads of the dragon of Rev.13:1-3 are:

    1. Egypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Medo-Persion
    5. Greek
    6. Roman        <– John's time –>
    7. Ottoman  
     
    And the 8th, which came out of the seventh is   Muhammadin-islam

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed. But the ottoman emp. has been 1500 or so years.

    The scripture says the the 8th beast will only be in power for 3/half years.

    Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;

    ***and power was given unto him to continue***
    ***forty and two months***.

    That is three and a half years.

    Please explain.

    wakeup.

    #388918
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup, (Rev 13:5, 13:7)

    1.  “and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (= 3.5 years).”
    2.  “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them

    1.  The 3½ years complete the second half of the split 70th Prophetic week of Daniel,
    2.  that is to say Jesus' Apostles preached three and a half years before being martyred.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #388919
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2014,21:58)
    Hi Wakeup, (Rev 13:5, 13:7)

    1.  “and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (= 3.5 years).”
    2.  “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them

    1.  The 3½ years complete the second half of the split 70th Prophetic week of Daniel,
    2.  that is to say Jesus' Apostles preached three and a half years before being martyred.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Quote

    1. “and power was given unto *him* to continue forty and two months (= 3.5 years).”
    2. “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them”

    WHO IS THIS HIM?
    WHEN WAS HE IN EXISTENCE?

    Quote

    1. The 3½ years complete the second half of the split 70th Prophetic week of Daniel,
    2. that is to say Jesus' Apostles preached three and a half years before being martyred.

    THE APOSTLES WERE TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO.
    REVELATION IS ABOUT THE END TIME.
    POWER WAS GIVEN TO THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET. ONLY 3/HALF YEARS TO RULE.

    THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE APOSTLES.

    WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

    wakeup.

    #388925
    terraricca
    Participant

    wup

    Quote
    REVELATION IS ABOUT THE END TIME.

    Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.

    Rev 1:19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later

    what is the NOW stands for ???

    #388930
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2014,00:33)
    wup

    Quote
    REVELATION IS ABOUT THE END TIME.

    Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.

    Rev 1:19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later

    what is the NOW stands for ???


    *NOW* represents the 7churches.
    John is send the letters; to the 7churches in asia minor.

    *LATER* is all what has happened; and is soon going to happen.

    wakeup.

    #388933
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,07:58)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,17:43)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 11 2014,07:12)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,05:29)
    Wakeup,

    Born is feminine.  Children are not born of men,  they are begotten.  The only way anyone can be born is by the will of God.

    There was no male involved in the conception but Joseph was there for the birth and he had a will.  There was a human involves as she is flesh and had a will.   Jesus was born of blood.

    John 1:12 goes with John 1:13 and if you are going to use that for evidence it follows you believe Jesus is God's child because he believed in the name of the Light.


    I said Jesus was born by the *WILL* of God.
    His spiritual Moher is in rev 12.
    God's woman; Heavenly Zion.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    All are born by the will of God.  

    Jesus was conceived miraculously that is to say by the power of God. Luke 1:35 teaches us that.


    Kerwin.

    Jesus came from heaven,we are from earth.
    Jesus was born by the will of His Father in heaven.
    We are born by *the will* of our Mother and father.
    Many unwanted children are not born by the will of God;
    nor any children born.All by the will of the flesh.

    If you read rev12 you will understand.
    That was only about Jesus. Not any of us.

    We also will later be born out of her.(mother Zion).
    That would be at the resurrection;born spirit creatures.
    *This is another topic*.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    All are born by the will of God without him none are born.
    John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
    All those who receive the Spirit of God, which is from heaven, are from above while those who live by the flesh nature are from the world, which is below.
    Do you not understand the grace of the Holy Spirit?

    #388946
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:05)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,07:58)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,17:43)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 11 2014,07:12)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,05:29)
    Wakeup,

    Born is feminine.  Children are not born of men,  they are begotten.  The only way anyone can be born is by the will of God.

    There was no male involved in the conception but Joseph was there for the birth and he had a will.  There was a human involves as she is flesh and had a will.   Jesus was born of blood.

    John 1:12 goes with John 1:13 and if you are going to use that for evidence it follows you believe Jesus is God's child because he believed in the name of the Light.


    I said Jesus was born by the *WILL* of God.
    His spiritual Moher is in rev 12.
    God's woman; Heavenly Zion.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    All are born by the will of God.  

    Jesus was conceived miraculously that is to say by the power of God. Luke 1:35 teaches us that.


    Kerwin.

    Jesus came from heaven,we are from earth.
    Jesus was born by the will of His Father in heaven.
    We are born by *the will* of our Mother and father.
    Many unwanted children are not born by the will of God;
    nor any children born.All by the will of the flesh.

    If you read rev12 you will understand.
    That was only about Jesus. Not any of us.

    We also will later be born out of her.(mother Zion).
    That would be at the resurrection;born spirit creatures.
    *This is another topic*.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    All are born by the will of God without him none are born.
    John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
    All those who receive the Spirit of God, which is from heaven, are from above while those who live by the flesh nature are from the world, which is below.
    Do you not understand the grace of the Holy Spirit?


    Kerwin.

    It is mum and dad who decides, when to start
    a family. Not God.
    They have the freedom to make that choice.

    We are not born by the will of God.
    God has provided us with the ability to reproduce.
    And we make that choice.

    wakeup.

    #388952
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,20:43)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2014,00:33)
    wup

    Quote
    REVELATION IS ABOUT THE END TIME.

    Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.

    Rev 1:19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later

    what is the NOW stands for ???


    *NOW* represents the 7churches.
    John is send the letters; to the 7churches in asia minor.

    *LATER* is all what has happened;  and is soon going to happen.

    wakeup.


    wup

    then what is meant by “what you see”???

    #388960
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2014,10:17)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,20:43)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2014,00:33)
    wup

    Quote
    REVELATION IS ABOUT THE END TIME.

    Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.

    Rev 1:19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later

    what is the NOW stands for ???


    *NOW* represents the 7churches.
    John is send the letters; to the 7churches in asia minor.

    *LATER* is all what has happened;  and is soon going to happen.

    wakeup.


    wup

    then what is meant by “what you see”???


    What you see is what John saw.
    All what was shown to him.

    wakeup.

    #388963
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 15 2014,03:55)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:05)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,07:58)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,17:43)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 11 2014,07:12)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,05:29)
    Wakeup,

    Born is feminine.  Children are not born of men,  they are begotten.  The only way anyone can be born is by the will of God.

    There was no male involved in the conception but Joseph was there for the birth and he had a will.  There was a human involves as she is flesh and had a will.   Jesus was born of blood.

    John 1:12 goes with John 1:13 and if you are going to use that for evidence it follows you believe Jesus is God's child because he believed in the name of the Light.


    I said Jesus was born by the *WILL* of God.
    His spiritual Moher is in rev 12.
    God's woman; Heavenly Zion.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    All are born by the will of God.  

    Jesus was conceived miraculously that is to say by the power of God. Luke 1:35 teaches us that.


    Kerwin.

    Jesus came from heaven,we are from earth.
    Jesus was born by the will of His Father in heaven.
    We are born by *the will* of our Mother and father.
    Many unwanted children are not born by the will of God;
    nor any children born.All by the will of the flesh.

    If you read rev12 you will understand.
    That was only about Jesus. Not any of us.

    We also will later be born out of her.(mother Zion).
    That would be at the resurrection;born spirit creatures.
    *This is another topic*.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    All are born by the will of God without him none are born.
    John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
    All those who receive the Spirit of God, which is from heaven, are from above while those who live by the flesh nature are from the world, which is below.
    Do you not understand the grace of the Holy Spirit?


    Kerwin.

    It is mum and dad who decides, when to start
    a family. Not God.
    They have the freedom to make that choice.

    We are not born by the will of God.
    God has provided us with the ability to reproduce.
    And we make that choice.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    You do not realize the power of God who if he chose to could stop a man from thinking of starting a family, who decides whether a child is conceived from the efforts of a man and a woman, who forms each person in their mother's womb.

    The mother and father have the choice only because it is God's will to allow them free choice.

    As I said all men are born by the will of God.

    #388967
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 15 2014,06:49)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2014,10:17)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,20:43)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2014,00:33)
    wup

    Quote
    REVELATION IS ABOUT THE END TIME.

    Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.

    Rev 1:19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later

    what is the NOW stands for ???


    *NOW* represents the 7churches.
    John is send the letters; to the 7churches in asia minor.

    *LATER* is all what has happened;  and is soon going to happen.

    wakeup.


    wup

    then what is meant by “what you see”???


    What you see is what John saw.
    All what was shown to him.

    wakeup.


    wup

    you should read your answer again it does not make sens

    #388977
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 15 2014,08:55)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:05)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,07:58)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,17:43)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 11 2014,07:12)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,05:29)
    Wakeup,

    Born is feminine.  Children are not born of men,  they are begotten.  The only way anyone can be born is by the will of God.

    There was no male involved in the conception but Joseph was there for the birth and he had a will.  There was a human involves as she is flesh and had a will.   Jesus was born of blood.

    John 1:12 goes with John 1:13 and if you are going to use that for evidence it follows you believe Jesus is God's child because he believed in the name of the Light.


    I said Jesus was born by the *WILL* of God.
    His spiritual Moher is in rev 12.
    God's woman; Heavenly Zion.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    All are born by the will of God.  

    Jesus was conceived miraculously that is to say by the power of God. Luke 1:35 teaches us that.


    Kerwin.

    Jesus came from heaven,we are from earth.
    Jesus was born by the will of His Father in heaven.
    We are born by *the will* of our Mother and father.
    Many unwanted children are not born by the will of God;
    nor any children born.All by the will of the flesh.

    If you read rev12 you will understand.
    That was only about Jesus. Not any of us.

    We also will later be born out of her.(mother Zion).
    That would be at the resurrection;born spirit creatures.
    *This is another topic*.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    All are born by the will of God without him none are born.
    John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
    All those who receive the Spirit of God, which is from heaven, are from above while those who live by the flesh nature are from the world, which is below.
    Do you not understand the grace of the Holy Spirit?


    Kerwin.

    It is mum and dad who decides, when to start
    a family. Not God.
    They have the freedom to make that choice.

    We are not born by the will of God.
    God has provided us with the ability to reproduce.
    And we make that choice.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup: I will agree with you on this statement, and this is what we call being born of the will of man or of the will of the flesh, and sometimes this is planned parenthood and sometimes the seed is sown and whatever the outcome that is what it is.

    Jesus, as was Isaac who is symbolic of Jesus, is the promised child who was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, at a specific point in time. Man did not make the decision when Jesus was to be born. God made the decision, and it had nothing to do with “sex”, but had to do with “the love of God for humanity”.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #388982
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ June 15 2014,14:22)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 15 2014,08:55)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:05)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,07:58)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,17:43)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 11 2014,07:12)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,05:29)
    Wakeup,

    Born is feminine.  Children are not born of men,  they are begotten.  The only way anyone can be born is by the will of God.

    There was no male involved in the conception but Joseph was there for the birth and he had a will.  There was a human involves as she is flesh and had a will.   Jesus was born of blood.

    John 1:12 goes with John 1:13 and if you are going to use that for evidence it follows you believe Jesus is God's child because he believed in the name of the Light.


    I said Jesus was born by the *WILL* of God.
    His spiritual Moher is in rev 12.
    God's woman; Heavenly Zion.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    All are born by the will of God.  

    Jesus was conceived miraculously that is to say by the power of God. Luke 1:35 teaches us that.


    Kerwin.

    Jesus came from heaven,we are from earth.
    Jesus was born by the will of His Father in heaven.
    We are born by *the will* of our Mother and father.
    Many unwanted children are not born by the will of God;
    nor any children born.All by the will of the flesh.

    If you read rev12 you will understand.
    That was only about Jesus. Not any of us.

    We also will later be born out of her.(mother Zion).
    That would be at the resurrection;born spirit creatures.
    *This is another topic*.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    All are born by the will of God without him none are born.
    John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
    All those who receive the Spirit of God, which is from heaven, are from above while those who live by the flesh nature are from the world, which is below.
    Do you not understand the grace of the Holy Spirit?


    Kerwin.

    It is mum and dad who decides, when to start
    a family. Not God.
    They have the freedom to make that choice.

    We are not born by the will of God.
    God has provided us with the ability to reproduce.
    And we make that choice.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup:  I will agree with you on this statement, and this is what we call being born of the will of man or of the will of the flesh, and sometimes this is planned parenthood and sometimes the seed is sown and whatever the outcome that is what it is.

    Jesus, as was Isaac who is symbolic of Jesus, is the promised child who was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, at a specific point in time.  Man did not make the decision when Jesus was to be born.  God made the decision, and it had nothing to do with “sex”, but had to do with “the love of God for humanity”.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    I believe there are many children today; born
    artificially.

    wakeup.

    #388998
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,12:05)
    John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.


    Scripture?

    #388999
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,15:55)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:05)

    Wakeup,

    All are born by the will of God without him none are born.


    Kerwin.

    It is mum and dad who decides, when to start
    a family. Not God.
    They have the freedom to make that choice.

    We are not born by the will of God.
    God has provided us with the ability to reproduce.
    And we make that choice.

    wakeup.


    John 1
    12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—

    13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

    The above scripture seems to support what Wakeup is saying, Kerwin.

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