What is the anti-christ?

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    banana
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    Ron

    Antichrist, the pope, is not gone, but since 1813 he no longer rules.

    Georg

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    Quote (banana @ Dec. 09 2009,01:35)
    Ron

    Antichrist, the pope, is not gone, but since 1813 he no longer rules.

    Georg


    The only time I remember the Pope not in rule was when he was in exile by the orders of Napolean, but if I remember correctly he was taken out of exile and given his authority back.

    #163299
    terraricca
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    hi 94
    the scriptures you using are related to the period of Christ untill the year 70 titus destruction.

    #163317
    banana
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    Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 09 2009,22:15)

    Quote (banana @ Dec. 09 2009,01:35)
    Ron

    Antichrist, the pope, is not gone, but since 1813 he no longer rules.

    Georg


    The only time I remember the Pope not in rule was when he was in exile by the orders of Napolean, but if I remember correctly he was taken out of exile and given his authority back.


    Ron

    Napoleon did not put the pope in exile, he put him in prison, in 1809, when the pope refused to sign the papal states over to Napoleons empire. He finally did so in 1813, and was allowed to return to Rome the next year.
    This is in fact what you read in Daniel.

    Dan 11:36 ¶ And the king (Napoleon) shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god (king, ruler), and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods (ruler of ruler, the pope), and shall prosper till the indignation (humiliation) be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.  

    Napoleon prospered till he had humiliated the pope by defying him in every way, no other king had ever dared to do that, because they all believed the pope had the power to curse them to hell. It changed the way the kings of Europe ruled from then on,
    Napoleon fought his last battle in 1815, HE was exiled to an island in the south Atlantic Ocean, were he died alone in 1821, that you read in Daniel too, the last part of the next scripture.

    Dan 11:45   And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.  

    The first part is when he invaded Egypt, 1798, the appointed time, (Dan. 11:29) his tabernacle (tent), between the seas (Mediterranean and the dead sea), glorious holy mountain (kingdom of Israel), although it did not exist at that time.

    Georg

    #163371
    terraricca
    Participant

    hi georg
    it seems you dont know what titus did to Jerusalem ,he flated and build roman temples and palaces on top.

    like i said your way or the highway is it ?????

    #163380
    banana
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    terraricca

    Every body knows what Titus did in 70 AD.
    What is your reason for bringing him up?
    Did you read my post to Ron?

    Georg

    #163392
    terraricca
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    hi georg
    it seems everyone knows what they others isaying,but never knows what you are putting forward as an explanation to fit you plan of events

    #163394
    942767
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    Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 09 2009,19:31)

    Quote (942767 @ Dec. 08 2009,20:01)
    Rev 13:1 ¶ And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.  

    Rev 13:2   And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.  

    Rev 13:3   And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
    Rev 17:8   The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.  

    Rev 17:9   And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.  

    Rev 17:10   And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.  

    Rev 17:11   And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.  

    Rev 17:12   And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.  

    Rev 17:13   These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

    Rev 17:14   These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.  

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    The scriptures state that the beast has seven heads and ten horns and that at the time that John was writing this five of these kingdoms had fallen, and those were nations which ruled over the nation of Israel, Egypt, Assyria, Babylonia, Media/Persia, Greece, and the John states that the time he was writing this one of the seven existed at that time, and that kingdom was Rome, and he states that a seventh would come after Rome and would continue a short time, perhaps the British Empire (the Ottoman Empire lasted more than a short time).  Out of these seven and eighth empire will rule over the nation of Israel and the scripture states will go into perdition.   This kingdom will be wounded unto death and then will make a come back in the end. (The kingdom will ascend out of the bottomless pit)

    At the present time Iran is increasingly becoming a threat to the nation of Israel, and the scriptures name Persia, Ethiopia, and Lybia by name and others with them, I believe that Syria will be with them, that will come against Israel.  They will apparently overcome the nation of Israel, and then God will intervene, and this is when they will receive the wound by the sword, that is, when God intervenes.

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    Eze 38:2   Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,  

    Eze 38:3   And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:  

    Eze 38:4   And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts [of armour, even] a great company [with] bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:  

    Eze 38:5   Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:  

    Eze 38:6   Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: [and] many people with thee.  

    Eze 38:7 ¶ Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.  

    Eze 38:8   After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.  

    Eze 38:9   Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

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    Zec 14:1 ¶ Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.  

    Zec 14:2   For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

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    Eze 38:18 ¶ And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, [that] my fury shall come up in my face.  

    Eze 38:19   For in my jealousy [and] in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;  

    Eze 38:20   So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that [are] upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.  

    Eze 38:21   And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.  

    Eze 38:22   And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that [are] with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.  

    Eze 38:23   Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.  

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    Zec 14:3 ¶ Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.  
    Zec 14:12 ¶ And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

    Following this intervention by God, there will be a period of peace, and during this time the temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will be offered by those of the nation of Israel who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.

    During the period of peace all nations will come to Jerusalem (this is not literal Jerusalem, but to the city that is teaching peace (the word Jerusalem means, teaching of peace), specifically, teaching of peace with God through the Lord Jesus.  The Feast of Tabernaces refers to our worship of God in our temporary bodies.

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    Zec 14:16 ¶ And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.  

    Zec 14:17   And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.  

    Zec 14:18   And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.  

    Zec 14:19   This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.  

    Zec 14:20 ¶ In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.  

    Zec 14:21   Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

    After this period, then the Anti-Christ will stop the Jews from offering animal sacrifices and 1290 days from that time he will set himself up in the temple showing himself to be God.  This is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel.  The great tribulation will begin and approximately 45 days from this time the church will be raptured out of this world, and those who are alive who were not saved will be judged by the seven last plagues.

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    Dan 11:29 ¶ At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.  

    Dan 11:30   For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.  

    Dan 11:31   And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.  

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    Dan 12:10   Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.  

    Dan 12:11   And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.  

    Dan 12:12   Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.  

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    Mat 24:15 ¶ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)  

    Mat 24:16   Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:  

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    Zec 14:4   And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.  

    Zec 14:5   And ye shall flee [to] the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, [and] all the saints with thee.  

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    Mat 24:29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  

    Mat 24:30   And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  

    Mat 24:31   And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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    2Th 2:6   And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.  

    2Th 2:7   For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.  

    2Th 2:8   And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:  

    2Th 2:9   [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,  

    2Th 2:10   And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.  

    2Th 2:11   And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:  

    2Th 2:12   That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.  

     

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    Rev 13:8   And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.  
    Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    So in your opinion the Anti-Christ is a Political Power or
    Country?

    Such as Iran?


    Yes, but not Iran, Syria, and it's ruler, and there will be ten nations that will join them. I believe that Antioch Epihanes is a shadow of what is to come pertaining to the Anti-Christ.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #163397
    terraricca
    Participant

    hi marty
    were do you find this configurations??????????
    i know you quoting scriptures but it is there configuration to tell what you want that i would like to know?????????????????

    #163408
    banana
    Participant

    Marty

    You said this.

    “””At the present time Iran is increasingly becoming a threat to the nation of Israel, and the scriptures name Persia, Ethiopia, and Lybia by name and others with them, I believe that Syria will be with them, that will come against Israel. They will apparently overcome the nation of Israel, and then God will intervene, and this is when they will receive the wound by the sword, that is, when God intervenes.”””

    The bible tells us that all the nation round about will attack Jerusalem, and when it seems all is lost, God will inter ween, as you said; but this is not the deadly wound. The deadly wound was inflicted to one of the seven heads, Rev. 13:2. These seven heads represent the seven empires of the bible, and you know the wound was healed.

    Then you said this.

    “””Following this intervention by God, there will be a period of peace, and during this time the temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will be offered by those of the nation of Israel who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.”””

    Where do you read that there will be a period of peace? This is what will happen then.

    Mat 24:29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    The attack on Israel will be this tribulation, it is the final tribulation for God's people, and God's wrath on the whole world.

    Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

    And than we will see Jesus return in power and great glory.

    Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    That will be the beginning of the millennium.
    Why do you think the temple will be rebuild? what was the temple used for? was it not to offer up sacrifices to God for sins?
    The temple was destroyed because there is no more use for it, Jesus not only changed the old covenant (law), he changed the priesthood, becoming the high priest himself, and he became our sacrifice, once for all (Heb. 10:10) and with it he forgave us all our sins (Col. 2:13).
    God has been building a new temple, (1 Cor. 3:16 + 1 Pet. 2:5).

    Then you said this.

    “””After this period, then the Anti-Christ will stop the Jews from offering animal sacrifices and 1290 days from that time he will set himself up in the temple showing himself to be God. This is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel. The great tribulation will begin and approximately 45 days from this time the church will be raptured out of this world, and those who are alive who were not saved will be judged by the seven last plagues.”””

    The abomination spoken off by Daniel 9:27, is the Catholic church's mass sacrifice, it destroyed the true meaning of Christs sacrifice, it spread over the entire world, no body realises there are no more sacrifices necessary.
    There is no mentioning of “the” great tribulation, speaking of the great crowd in Rev. 7:9, it says in verse 14, “These are they which came out of great tribulation”, there is no “”the””. They are the saints.
    Also, there is no rapture, there is no scripture for that. I believe it is used by ministers to keep people coming to church.
    Also, the trumpets have sounded, they were not for human ears, and the bowls have been poured out.
    I have explained all that in my topic under “BIBLICAL PROPHECY”.

    Georg

    #163420
    terraricca
    Participant

    hi ron
    who you think it is the antichrist that is????

    #163426
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2009,09:22)
    hi marty
    were do you find this configurations??????????
    i know you quoting scriptures but it is there configuration to tell what you want that i would like to know?????????????????


    Hi terraricca:

    I have given my understanding based on my study of this subject. I could be wrong.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #163428

    Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2009,15:45)
    hi ron
    who you think it is the antichrist that is????


    In my opinion, it could be a world leader known now, or one yet to be revealed.

    As far as the ones in the past, they were in fact Anti-Christ's but were they “ONE”? Your guess is good as mine. Since time began many fit the role.

    Scripture does say during his reign he will be revealed, now that revealing is that to the Saints only or the whole world?

    I believe it is to the whole world, and if I am right then none in the past are the “ONE”, due to the whole world has not stood up and identified, accepted, and then rejected a “ONE” world leader.

    What do you think?

    #163436
    terraricca
    Participant

    hi ron
    i believe it is a step by step development,so is the jugement of christ first penn untill the number is complete,and the beast leg foot toes iron clay as to fullfill is total design, and disipair as a power whitout the hand of men ,so not by war,but by desintegration and be absorbed by the next power or beast

    #163440
    942767
    Participant

    Hi Georg:

    I am not sure that Ron would want us to discuss our differences in this thread. He just asked for our opinion.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #163452
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (banana @ Dec. 10 2009,10:27)
    Marty

    You said this.

    “””At the present time Iran is increasingly becoming a threat to the nation of Israel, and the scriptures name Persia, Ethiopia, and Lybia by name and others with them, I believe that Syria will be with them, that will come against Israel.  They will apparently overcome the nation of Israel, and then God will intervene, and this is when they will receive the wound by the sword, that is, when God intervenes.”””

    The bible tells us that all the nation round about will attack Jerusalem, and when it seems all is lost, God will inter ween, as you said; but this is not the deadly wound. The deadly wound was inflicted to one of the seven heads, Rev. 13:2. These seven heads represent the seven empires of the bible, and you know the wound was healed.

    Then you said this.

    “””Following this intervention by God, there will be a period of peace, and during this time the temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will be offered by those of the nation of Israel who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.”””

    Where do you read that there will be a period of peace? This is what will happen then.

    Mat 24:29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  

    The attack on Israel will be this tribulation, it is the final tribulation for God's people, and God's wrath on the whole world.

    Zec 12:9   And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.  

    And than we will see Jesus return in power and great glory.

    Mat 24:30   And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  

    That will be the beginning of the millennium.
    Why do you think the temple will be rebuild? what was the temple used for? was it not to offer up sacrifices to God for sins?
    The temple was destroyed because there is no more use for it, Jesus not only changed the old covenant (law), he changed the priesthood, becoming the high priest himself, and he became our sacrifice, once for all (Heb. 10:10) and with it he forgave us all our sins (Col. 2:13).
    God has been building a new temple, (1 Cor. 3:16 + 1 Pet. 2:5).

    Then you said this.

    “””After this period, then the Anti-Christ will stop the Jews from offering animal sacrifices and 1290 days from that time he will set himself up in the temple showing himself to be God.  This is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel.  The great tribulation will begin and approximately 45 days from this time the church will be raptured out of this world, and those who are alive who were not saved will be judged by the seven last plagues.”””

    The abomination spoken off by Daniel 9:27, is the Catholic church's mass sacrifice, it destroyed the true meaning of Christs sacrifice, it spread over the entire world, no body realises there are no more sacrifices necessary.
    There is no mentioning of “the” great tribulation, speaking of the great crowd in Rev. 7:9, it says in verse 14, “These are they which came out of great tribulation”, there is no “”the””. They are the saints.
    Also, there is no rapture, there is no scripture for that. I believe it is used by ministers to keep people coming to church.
    Also, the trumpets have sounded, they were not for human ears, and the bowls have been poured out.
    I have explained all that in my topic under “BIBLICAL PROPHECY”.

    Georg


    To all ……> the temple (WILL) be rebuilt and water will flow out from it and empty into the dead sea, and schools of fish will be in the dead sea as the fresh water cleanes it, the water will flow out from under the temple and flow toward the sea. as scripture say it will.

    peace and love to you all……………..gene

    #163453

    Quote (942767 @ Dec. 09 2009,18:07)
    Hi Georg:

    I am not sure that Ron would want us to discuss our differences in this thread.  He just asked for our opinion.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    :D

    #163514
    terraricca
    Participant

    hi ron
    the man of lawlessness talk abode by Paul in 2Corint 2, his a man but like you mention satan is the one who use the beasts for is own purpose,and he is without dought the greathes antichrist by far.

    #163529
    banana
    Participant

    To all

    2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (Christs return) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    Can you compare with, what some people today call persecution of Christian, with the persecution by the Romans? do any of us have to fear for our lives? not even close to be called persecution.
    Do any of us have to make a choice, worship the emperor, or die in the arena?
    Do any of us have to deny Jesus or see our family being tortured?
    That is what the early Christians/saints had to endure.
    The bible shows us, Rev. 7:9, 14, there are many millions of them that endured to the end, not only under the Romans, but under Antichrist as well.
    So, if you have millions who endured, how many would you think gave up, fell away from Christ, because they could not see their family suffer, two, three or four times as many?
    You see, the fallen away occurred first during the Roman reign, and then after the Romans, Antichrist, and he reigned for 1260 years.
    The revealing of the man of perdition is for our time, because the Christians then had no idea what was going on world wide. WE can tell, because we have the historical records for that time.

    2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    He calls himself “VICARIVS FILII DEI”, Vicar of the son of God, a title and position he gave himself.
    The temple of God are the saints, 1 Cor. 3:16, he set himself up over them, and all who would not worship him, would be killed, Rev. 13:15. In this verse he is referred to as the image of the beast. The beast is Rome, why is Antichrist/the pope called the image of Rome? because he structured his way of ruling after the Romans.

    2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth (restraines) will let (will restrain), until he be taken out of the way.

    Anti Christs have been around since the apostles, but there was one title that all of them coveted, “Pontifex Maximus”, chief priest or chief religious ruler. This was a title the emperor held, and no one dared to claim it, as long as HE was around. Then in 565 AD Justinian died, he was the last emperor of the west and the east, no other emperor in the east was able to maintain control over the west, the “restrainer” was taken out of the way, and Antichrist began to “rule”.

    I'm not telling you, you have to believe what I say, but if you are interested in understanding the truth, you should at least look into it.

    Georg

    #163533

    Quote (banana @ Dec. 10 2009,00:09)
    To all

    2Th 2:3   Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (Christs return) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;  

    Can you compare with, what some people today call persecution of Christian, with the persecution by the Romans? do any of us have to fear for our lives? not even close to be called persecution.
    Do any of us have to make a choice, worship the emperor, or die in the arena?
    Do any of us have to deny Jesus or see our family being tortured?
    That is what the early Christians/saints had to endure.
    The bible shows us, Rev. 7:9, 14, there are many millions of them that endured to the end, not only under the Romans, but under Antichrist as well.
    So, if you have millions who endured, how many would you think gave up, fell away from Christ, because they could not see their family suffer, two, three or four times as many?
    You see, the fallen away occurred first during the Roman reign, and then after the Romans, Antichrist, and he reigned for 1260 years.
    The revealing of the man of perdition is for our time, because the Christians then had no idea what was going on world wide. WE can tell, because we have the historical records for that time.

    2Th 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.  

    He calls himself “VICARIVS FILII DEI”, Vicar of the son of God, a title and position he gave himself.
    The temple of God are the saints, 1 Cor. 3:16, he set himself up over them, and all who would not worship him, would be killed, Rev. 13:15. In this verse he is referred to as the image of the beast. The beast is Rome, why is Antichrist/the pope called the image of Rome? because he structured his way of ruling after the Romans.

    2Th 2:7   For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth (restraines) will let (will restrain), until he be taken out of the way.  

    Anti Christs have been around since the apostles, but there was one title that all of them coveted, “Pontifex Maximus”, chief priest or chief religious ruler. This was a title the emperor held, and no one dared to claim it, as long as HE was around. Then in 565 AD Justinian died, he was the last emperor of the west and the east, no other emperor in the east was able to maintain control over the west, the “restrainer” was taken out of the way, and Antichrist began to “rule”.

    I'm not telling you, you have to believe what I say, but if you are interested in understanding the truth, you should at least look into it.

    Georg


    Romans killed Jews.

    Catholics killed Protestants.

    Hitler killed Jews.

    Who knows what is next?

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