What is jesus?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 23 2011,17:25)

The point is just because the Father is in Jesus doesn't mean Jesus is not God no more than Jesus being in the Father means the Father is not God.

And does it mean Jesus IS God? If so, then we are all God too.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,18:28)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 23 2011,17:25) The point is just because the Father is in Jesus doesn't mean Jesus is not God no more than Jesus being in the Father means the Father is not God. And does it mean Jesus IS God?  If so, then we are all God too.

Watch that straw man blow down…

Is “ALL” of God in you? When you see Jesus you see God!

They are in us and we are in them. We are being made into “Their Image” and not yours or mine. You do get this don't you?

WJ

[mikeboll64]

Keith,

You and Jack had a little trouble understanding me.  Perhaps I posted above your intelligence level?  Let me “dumb it down” for you and explain what I meant when I pointed out that Jesus said “the Father” and not “God”:

7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father;

Now there are only two possibilities I'm aware of for what Jesus was saying here:

1.  I have done and spoken exactly like the Father would have done and spoken since you've known me.  It is His words I speak to you, His works I've been doing, and His lessons I've been teaching.  When you hear MY words, it is exactly LIKE you're hearing the Father's words.  If you would truly get to know ME, it will be LIKE you getting to know the Father also.  If you see ME and the things I have done, it is really LIKE you were seeing the Father doing those things.  Because the Father is the power and wisdom behind every single thing I've done.

2.  Jesus actually IS the Father.

Which one is it………#1 or #2?  Because, like I said before, Jesus doesn't say, “If you've seen me, you've seen GOD”.  He says, “THE FATHER”.  So, is Jesus THE FATHER?

mike

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,19:22)

Which one is it………#1 or #2?  Because, like I said before, Jesus doesn't say, “If you've seen me, you've seen GOD”.

Hey Jack

Man he doesn't get it does he? Who does he think Thomas is asking about? The Father = God.

Mike says…

“Jesus doesn't say, “If you've seen me, you've seen GOD”  Then who did he see?  

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,19:22)

Keith, You and Jack had a little trouble understanding me.  Perhaps I posted above your intelligence level?

What kind of education do you have Mike? Where is your credentials?  

WJ

[mikeboll64]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2011,10:05)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,19:22) Which one is it………#1 or #2?  Because, like I said before, Jesus doesn't say, “If you've seen me, you've seen GOD”. Hey Jack Man he doesn't get it does he? Who does he think Thomas is asking about? The Father = God. Mike says… “Jesus doesn't say, “If you've seen me, you've seen GOD”  Then who did he see?   WJ

     That's real funny Keith!

Now answer the question:  IS JESUS THE FATHER? YES or NO?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2011,10:09)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,19:22) Keith, You and Jack had a little trouble understanding me.  Perhaps I posted above your intelligence level? What kind of education do you have Mike? Where is your credentials?   WJ

Where are yours?  I at least know when one is speaking of plural “credentials”, one doesn't say, “Where IS they?”, but, “Where ARE they?”.  

Is Jesus the Father, Keith?  

mike

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2011,04:11)

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 23 2011,15:38) JustAskin would also like to say: Quote: WJ, Quote Is the son of a queen – a queen? WJ, Quote Where in Scriptures does it say that Jesus sits ON his fathers throne? Surely, it says : 'At his right hand side' and 'At the right hand OF the throne of God' (note: Jesus and God are expressed as two separate persons! If Jesus is God, how is he sat at the right of himself? Who is the God that is the owner of the throne to which the HONOR POSITION (rh-side)) Hey JA Talk to the hand. I won't discuss scriptures through a third party. Hope you are well!   WJ

ahhahahahahhaha!

That was funny! I see my sarcasm is rubbbing off on you!

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2011,04:20)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 23 2011,16:58) Ja, so god has a literal right hand? so God who is spirit and everywhere that no Man can see, has a right side? thats such a bogus claim Then what exactly IS meant by the statement that Jesus was EXALTED BY HIS OWN GOD to the RIGHT HAND OF HIS OWN GOD? It's spoken of many times in many ways, D.  What does that statement imply? mike

First thing is First.
(You said you answer direct questions right? Lets test that)

Do you believe that God has a Right Hand? yes or no?
Does “Power” have a right hand? Yes or No?

(Make no other comments, All i want is a Yes or A No to my questions and than I promise to do the same for you for not own without any prejudice.)

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2011,04:22)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 23 2011,00:36) Mike, If I can Effectively prove that Jesus is not an Angel, would this mean that You are wrong, therefore a victem of your own wishfull Thinking, therefore Opening the Possibilities that Jesus IS God? If you could prove this, (which you can't), it would mean I was wrong about this one thing.  It would have no bearing on me losing my sanity and starting to claim that the Son OF God is the same God he is the Son OF.   mike

Nonononononono Mikey'O,

You didnt answer the Question accordingly.

Assuming I Prove that Jesus is not an Angel,
The Result would be,
1) You are wrong
2) That you were subjected to your own Wishful thinking as a result of being Wrong.
3) Be Honest, and accept that The POSSIBILITY of Jesus being God is more likely than the past. (not that you started claiming, but OPEN to the possibility to it since you cant claim that Jesus is an Angel anymore)

could you agree with these results?

[kerwin]

To all,

Since Jesus was tempted as we are and God cannot be tempted by evil it either follow the we are not tempted by evil of Jesus is not God.

Jesus is a decendant of David.   David is a human being.  An angel cannot be a decendent of a human being.  Therefore Jesus is not an angel.

Of course people will say all things are possible for God.   That can be used to support any doctrine.

They do not seem to consider that God cannot do evil so if what they suggest would be evil then God cannot do it as he lacks free choice on that matter.

I am skeptical about calling any human “mere” since God stated the creation of man is very good.

[Tim Kraft]

Kerwin: Excellent questions. I would ask what is evil? Some say evil is something that hurts someone. I don't think its evil to fall down! That hurts. Is being unkind evil? It might not be good/God but not evil. If God is good and God is everywhere and there is no evil in God then in truth, evil does not exist. At least not in Gods perfect world. Man has identified actions as evil. Evil deeds! Is evil then a creation of man? Actually anything that is destructive of life may be considered evil. Life is not in actions. Life is in feelings. Feelings cause actions and reactions. Thoughts and words cause feelings. Evil may therefore be a destructive thought, idea or motive of the heart, created by man outside of God. In outer darkness (mental unawareness, or unconsciousness) is the only place evil can be. It is an illusion of truth.

God is absolute which means God has no opposite force. Darkness can cover light to different degrees but light always is and darkness can come or go. Light stays the same. It is God, everywhere, where would it go? In the mind of man there can only be truth or illusion of truth. Illusion of truth is thoughts or beliefs a man has that are apart from or outside of the truth. Thought illusion, created by man, dilutes, blocks, and distorts the truth which is power and love. It would then appear that evil in its purest form of thought is only an illusion of darkness in the mind of a man which will eventually be manifest in his life through attraction. Just some thoughts, TK

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2011,21:20)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2011,10:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,19:22) Which one is it………#1 or #2?  Because, like I said before, Jesus doesn't say, “If you've seen me, you've seen GOD”. Hey Jack Man he doesn't get it does he? Who does he think Thomas is asking about? The Father = God. Mike says… “Jesus doesn't say, “If you've seen me, you've seen GOD”  Then who did he see?   WJ      That's real funny Keith! Now answer the question:  IS JESUS THE FATHER?  YES or NO? mike

Mike

No. But Jesus is God and that is the point. Jesus is not saying he is the Father but he is saying “IF YE HAD KNOWN ME”, ye should have known my Father (God) also: and “from henceforth ye know him (God), and have seen him (God). “

Did they literrally see the Father?

Who were they looking at when Jesus said…“from henceforth ye know him (God), and HAVE SEEN HIM (God). “

Jesus said…

And he turned him unto his disciples, and said “PRIVATELY, Blessed are the EYES which SEE the things that YE SEE: For I tell you, that many prophets and kings “have desired to see” those things which “ye see”, and have “not seen them”; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. Luke 10:23, 24

Jesus words in the above statement are extremely similar to his words to Thomas here…

And Thomas answered and said unto him, “My Lord and my God”. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, “BECAUSE” thou hast “seen me”, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20:28, 29

Jesus often spoke in Parrables so that only those who had ears to hear and eyes to see could understand. Thomas and Peter had the revelation of who he was.

Even the unbelieving Jews understood that he was making himself equal to God and that is why they wanted to stone him. Their eyes were blind to see the truth and that his claim was true.

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2011,21:22)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2011,10:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,19:22) Keith, You and Jack had a little trouble understanding me.  Perhaps I posted above your intelligence level? What kind of education do you have Mike? Where is your credentials?   WJ Where are yours?  I at least know when one is speaking of plural “credentials”, one doesn't say, “Where IS they?”, but, “Where ARE they?”.   Is Jesus the Father, Keith?   mike

Touché' Mike

I am from the south and that is the way we talk here. I am working on it though.  

But to answer your question I have a Bachelor of Biblical Studies degree and a Master of Divinity (M.Div.) degree from Cornerstone Bible College in VA. If you need to see the diplomas I can fax it to you.

Unlike you Mike I give a lot of respect to the Forefathers and the Biblical Scholars who spent their lives and many even lost their lives to bring us the information and the Bible we have today.

WJ

[Kangaroo Jack Jr.]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 24 2011,07:38)

JustAskin would also like to say: Quote: WJ, Quote Is the son of a queen – a queen? WJ, Quote Where in Scriptures does it say that Jesus sits ON his fathers throne? Surely, it says : 'At his right hand side' and 'At the right hand OF the throne of God' (note: Jesus and God are expressed as two separate persons! If Jesus is God, how is he sat at the right of himself? Who is the God that is the owner of the throne to which the HONOR POSITION (rh-side))

JA asks a dumb question, “Is the son of a queen a queen?” A queen is a monarch. So let's convert JA's dumb question thus:

“Is the son of a monarch a monarch?”

Anwswer: YES!

It was the Son who rode into Jerusalem as Israel's Monarch.

KJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

HMM

5 people vote Jesus is fully God and fully Man. Who are they?

WJ

[Kangaroo Jack Jr.]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2011,04:23)

HMM 5 people vote Jesus is fully God and fully Man. Who are they?   WJ

[kerwin]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 25 2011,22:10)

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 24 2011,07:38) JustAskin would also like to say: Quote: WJ, Quote Is the son of a queen – a queen? WJ, Quote Where in Scriptures does it say that Jesus sits ON his fathers throne? Surely, it says : 'At his right hand side' and 'At the right hand OF the throne of God' (note: Jesus and God are expressed as two separate persons! If Jesus is God, how is he sat at the right of himself? Who is the God that is the owner of the throne to which the HONOR POSITION (rh-side)) JA asks a dumb question, “Is the son of a queen a queen?” A queen is a monarch. So let's convert JA's dumb question thus: “Is the son of a monarch a monarch?” Anwswer: YES! It was the Son who rode into Jerusalem as Israel's Monarch. KJ

No! The son of a monarch may be a monarch but not necessarily. Jonathan the son of Saul was not a monarch even though his father was.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 24 2011,23:20)

Do you believe that God has a Right Hand? yes or no?

YES.  Whether it is literal or metaphorical, I don't know.  I think both are possible, and referred to in scripture.

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 24 2011,23:20)

Does “Power” have a right hand? Yes or No?

NO.  The abstract inanimate force we know as “power” does not.  But if “power” is being used to describe God Himself, as in the scripture I'm sure you're referring to, then see my answer to your first question.

And D, let's get something straight.  I never said I would answer with a YES or a NO, and then say nothing else.  What I said is that I would actually ANSWER your question BEFORE giving my explanation.

I have done that here, now you owe me the same the next time I'm asking of you.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 25 2011,00:03)

Assuming I Prove that Jesus is not an Angel, The Result would be, 1) You are wrong 2) That you were subjected to your own Wishful thinking as a result of being Wrong. 3) Be Honest, and accept that The POSSIBILITY of Jesus being God is more likely than the past. (not that you started claiming, but OPEN to the possibility to it since you cant claim that Jesus is an Angel anymore) could you agree with these results?

Really?  Why couldn't #3 be, “accept the possibility of Jesus being nothing more than a human being, exactly like us” like Gene thinks?

Besides, you can't prove it.  “Angel” simply means “messenger”, and Jesus most definitely is a messenger of his God………..therefore an angel of God.

In fact, he is God's preeminent messenger, which is why he alone is called “the Word of God”.

But just for kicks, “YES, D, if you can prove that Jesus is NOT an angel, I'll admit I was wrong, was wishful thinking, and I will accept that the POSSIBILITY of Jesus being God is more likely than it was in the past for me.”  

Get to provin' it, sonny boy.

mike

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