What is a sodomite

[kerwin]

T,

The account of Steven being stoned does not fulfill the requirements of the even of a man that is caught up into heaven. Steve died and soul went to Sheol. A place that is also known as Hades an Hell.

[terraricca]

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T, The account of Steven being stoned does not fulfill the requirements of the even of a man that is caught up into heaven. Steve died and soul went to Sheol.  A place that is also known as Hades an Hell.

k
read it by events does it say that the soul of Steven went to the Hades why did Paul was not scare to die and said it was to him a gain ???how could the 6 foot of dirt be an advantage

[kerwin]

T,

Jesus' soul went to Hades when he fell asleep.  Stephen's did as well as it is the common destination of the souls of the dead.

Acts 2:27
American Standard Version (ASV)

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul unto Hades, Neither wilt thou give thy Holy One to see corruption.

[terraricca]

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T, Jesus' soul went to Hades when he fell asleep.  Stephen's did as well as it is the common destination of the souls of the dead. Acts 2:27 American Standard Version (ASV) 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul unto Hades, Neither wilt thou give thy Holy One to see corruption.

K

SO THE SOUL IS THE FLESH TO YOU

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,11:59) T, Jesus' soul went to Hades when he fell asleep.  Stephen's did as well as it is the common destination of the souls of the dead. Acts 2:27 American Standard Version (ASV) 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul unto Hades, Neither wilt thou give thy Holy One to see corruption. K SO THE SOUL IS THE FLESH TO YOU

T,

Acts 2:27 does not say Jesus' soul is his flesh as God did let his soul reside in Hades nor did he allow his flesh to know corruption. Jesus' and Stephen's soul departed their bodies at death.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2013,12:38) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,11:59) T, Jesus' soul went to Hades when he fell asleep.  Stephen's did as well as it is the common destination of the souls of the dead. Acts 2:27 American Standard Version (ASV) 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul unto Hades, Neither wilt thou give thy Holy One to see corruption. K SO THE SOUL IS THE FLESH TO YOU T, Acts 2:27 does not say Jesus' soul is his flesh as God did let his soul reside in Hades nor did he allow his flesh to know corruption.  Jesus' and Stephen's soul departed their bodies at death.

Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write,
***Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from
henceforth***:
Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may **rest** from their labours;
***and their works do follow them***.

Their works will be revealed on the day of resurrection.
There is the first and the second resurrection.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2013,12:38) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,11:59) T, Jesus' soul went to Hades when he fell asleep.  Stephen's did as well as it is the common destination of the souls of the dead. Acts 2:27 American Standard Version (ASV) 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul unto Hades, Neither wilt thou give thy Holy One to see corruption. K SO THE SOUL IS THE FLESH TO YOU T, Acts 2:27 does not say Jesus' soul is his flesh as God did let his soul reside in Hades nor did he allow his flesh to know corruption.  Jesus' and Stephen's soul departed their bodies at death.

K

SCRIPTURES TELL US THAT THE RIGHTEOUS DO NOT LAY WITH THE WICKED IN DEAD ;

THE SOUL OF THEM ARE SEPARATED ACCORDINGLY TO THEIR OWN DEEDS ,

THIS IS AGAIN IS ILLUSTRATED IN THE ALLEGORY ABOUT LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN ,

ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE EASILY UNDERSTOOD IF YOU

Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.

Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.

Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

THOSE WORDS ARE THE KEY TO CHRIST AND HIS FATHER

[kerwin]

T,

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SCRIPTURES TELL US THAT THE RIGHTEOUS DO NOT LAY WITH THE WICKED IN DEAD ;

I do not view the description of Hades in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man to be allegorical because it was a First Century doctrine among the Jewish people.   I do not see Jesus using a false doctrine, even allegorically.  

Jesus soul rested in comfort while the rich man rested in torment.

[terraricca]

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T, Quote SCRIPTURES TELL US THAT THE RIGHTEOUS DO NOT LAY WITH THE WICKED IN DEAD ; I do not view the description of Hades in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man to be allegorical because it was a First Century doctrine among the Jewish people.   I do not see Jesus using a false doctrine, even allegorically.   Jesus soul rested in comfort while the rich man rested in torment.

K

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHAT YOU SAY IS NOT CLEAR

[kerwin]

T,

Is this better?

Jesus was not using a false doctrine to express an idea as that would be supporting what is false. Therefore he was describing the actual land of the dead in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus (God will help).

[mikeboll64]

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Journey, Paul speaks of it. 2 Corinthians 12:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Kerwin,

Why do you think the body would have been the guy's flesh and blood human body?

Couldn't he be saying that he doesn't know whether he was actually there IN PERSON, or only went there in a dream?

And if he was literally there IN PERSON, would it mean that he was wearing his corrupted flesh and blood body? Can the corrupted enter the kingdom of God?

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,21:38) Journey, Paul speaks of it. 2 Corinthians 12:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. Kerwin, Why do you think the body would have been the guy's flesh and blood human body? Couldn't he be saying that he doesn't know whether he was actually there IN PERSON, or only went there in a dream? And if he was literally there IN PERSON, would it mean that he was wearing his corrupted flesh and blood body?  Can the corrupted enter the kingdom of God?

Mike,

Paul knew him after the event and he had a mortal body then.  So you would have to claim his mortal body transformed into an immortal body then returned to being a mortal body even though not a word of that is mentioned in Scripture.  

Scripture does not even say that only an immortal body can enter heaven.

[terraricca]

K

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So you would have to claim his mortal body transformed into an immortal body then returned to being a mortal body even though not a word of that is mentioned in Scripture.

DID CHRIST PROMISED A NEW BODY ,DID HE TELL ANY OF HIS DISCIPLES THAT THEY WILL BE RESURRECTED WITH THEIR OWN FLESHLY BODY CAN WE SAY THAT JESUS TOOK HIS FLESH BODY WITH HIM WHEN HE ASCENDED

THE ONLY THING HE PROMISED TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS ;Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.

LIFE IS THE PROMISE ;AND LIKE PAUL SAYS ON EARTH IS ONE KIND OF BODY SO THEIR IS ONE FOR HEAVEN ,

[kerwin]

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K Quote So you would have to claim his mortal body transformed into an immortal body then returned to being a mortal body even though not a word of that is mentioned in Scripture.   DID CHRIST PROMISED A NEW BODY ,DID HE TELL ANY OF HIS DISCIPLES THAT THEY WILL BE RESURRECTED  WITH THEIR OWN FLESHLY BODY CAN WE SAY THAT JESUS TOOK HIS  FLESH BODY WITH HIM WHEN HE ASCENDED THE ONLY THING HE PROMISED TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS ;Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. LIFE IS THE PROMISE ;AND LIKE PAUL SAYS ON EARTH IS ONE KIND OF BODY SO THEIR IS ONE FOR HEAVEN ,

T,

We are not speaking of the resurrection. We are speaking of a man who entered heaven and why it might have been a body. There is the doctrine among men that only spirit can enter heaven which also is part of the discussion. That has some bearing on the resurrection since such people assume that the kingdom of God is only heaven and the current heaven at that.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2013,10:13) K Quote So you would have to claim his mortal body transformed into an immortal body then returned to being a mortal body even though not a word of that is mentioned in Scripture.   DID CHRIST PROMISED A NEW BODY ,DID HE TELL ANY OF HIS DISCIPLES THAT THEY WILL BE RESURRECTED  WITH THEIR OWN FLESHLY BODY CAN WE SAY THAT JESUS TOOK HIS  FLESH BODY WITH HIM WHEN HE ASCENDED THE ONLY THING HE PROMISED TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS ;Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. LIFE IS THE PROMISE ;AND LIKE PAUL SAYS ON EARTH IS ONE KIND OF BODY SO THEIR IS ONE FOR HEAVEN , T, We are not speaking of the resurrection.  We are speaking of a man who entered heaven and why it might have been a body.  There is the doctrine among men that only spirit can enter heaven which also is part of the discussion.  That has some bearing on the resurrection since such people assume that the kingdom of God is only heaven and the current heaven at that.

k

Steven enter in his spirit heaven because he saw what was in heaven

his body is irrelevant did not needed any more ,

Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.

his earthly life was ended but not his life as Christ promised

[mikeboll64]

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Mike, Paul knew him after the event and he had a mortal body then. So you would have to claim his mortal body transformed into an immortal body then returned to being a mortal body even though not a word of that is mentioned in Scripture.

Nor does your scripture explicitly say that a mortal body was in heaven, walking around.

So my point stands. Even if the man went to heaven “in body” (in PERSON) instead of seeing the visions in a dream while his PERSON remained on earth – there is no indication that he would have been there in a flesh and blood human body.

Now, since you know that flesh and blood CANNOT enter or inherit the kingdom of God, you have come up with the nonsensical notion that flesh and blood can't, but flesh and bone can, right?

So in your scenario, the man would have had to be emptied of all of his blood, and went to heaven in a flesh and bone body, right? Does Paul say anything about the man losing his blood, and then gaining it back when he returned to earth? No.

So the words you wrote to me would also have to apply to yourself. Here are those words, thrown back at you:

So you would have to claim his flesh and BLOOD body transformed into a flesh and BONE body – without any BLOOD – then returned to being a flesh and BLOOD body…….. even though not a word of that is mentioned in Scripture.

Now what?

[terraricca]

Mike bravo, this quote is so right well done

[kerwin]

Mike,

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Now, since you know that flesh and blood CANNOT enter or inherit the kingdom of God, you have come up with the nonsensical notion that flesh and blood can't, but flesh and bone can, right?

That passage does not say that only spirit can enter heaven and you know it does not but you keep acting like it does.  You are trying to make it say flesh cannot enter heaven and it does not say that either.  Simply put it is not even speaking of the present day but it is instead speaking of the time after Judgement day when the changed will inherit the reign of God.

As it sits you will not admit what the passage states and does not state because you have invested your worldview into believing what is not written.

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,10:56) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2013,10:13) K Quote So you would have to claim his mortal body transformed into an immortal body then returned to being a mortal body even though not a word of that is mentioned in Scripture.   DID CHRIST PROMISED A NEW BODY ,DID HE TELL ANY OF HIS DISCIPLES THAT THEY WILL BE RESURRECTED  WITH THEIR OWN FLESHLY BODY CAN WE SAY THAT JESUS TOOK HIS  FLESH BODY WITH HIM WHEN HE ASCENDED THE ONLY THING HE PROMISED TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS ;Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. LIFE IS THE PROMISE ;AND LIKE PAUL SAYS ON EARTH IS ONE KIND OF BODY SO THEIR IS ONE FOR HEAVEN , T, We are not speaking of the resurrection.  We are speaking of a man who entered heaven and why it might have been a body.  There is the doctrine among men that only spirit can enter heaven which also is part of the discussion.  That has some bearing on the resurrection since such people assume that the kingdom of God is only heaven and the current heaven at that. k Steven enter in his spirit heaven because he saw what was in heaven his body is irrelevant did not needed any more , Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. his earthly life was ended but not his life as Christ promised

T,

You keep talking about Steven's body as if you know it did not enter heaven while Paul who is better informed says he did not know. Are you claiming to be a prophet.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2013,11:51) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,10:56) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2013,10:13) K Quote So you would have to claim his mortal body transformed into an immortal body then returned to being a mortal body even though not a word of that is mentioned in Scripture.   DID CHRIST PROMISED A NEW BODY ,DID HE TELL ANY OF HIS DISCIPLES THAT THEY WILL BE RESURRECTED  WITH THEIR OWN FLESHLY BODY CAN WE SAY THAT JESUS TOOK HIS  FLESH BODY WITH HIM WHEN HE ASCENDED THE ONLY THING HE PROMISED TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS ;Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. LIFE IS THE PROMISE ;AND LIKE PAUL SAYS ON EARTH IS ONE KIND OF BODY SO THEIR IS ONE FOR HEAVEN , T, We are not speaking of the resurrection.  We are speaking of a man who entered heaven and why it might have been a body.  There is the doctrine among men that only spirit can enter heaven which also is part of the discussion.  That has some bearing on the resurrection since such people assume that the kingdom of God is only heaven and the current heaven at that. k Steven enter in his spirit heaven because he saw what was in heaven his body is irrelevant did not needed any more , Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. his earthly life was ended but not his life as Christ promised T, You keep talking about Steven's body as if you know it did not enter heaven while Paul who is better informed  says he did not know.  Are you claiming to be a prophet.

k

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Are you claiming to be a prophet.

no,but Christ was one ;

LK 21:12 “But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for My name’s sake.
LK 21:13 “ It will lead to an opportunity for your testimony.
LK 21:14 “ So make up your minds not to prepare beforehand to defend yourselves;
LK 21:15 for I will give you utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute.
LK 21:16 “But you will be betrayed even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death,

Ac 5:34 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while.
Ac 5:35 Then he addressed them: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men.

Ac 7:56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
Ac 7:57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him,
Ac 7:58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul.

Ac 7:59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”
Ac 7:60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep.
Ac 8:1 And Saul was there, giving approval to his death.

JN 16:2 “ They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God

2Co 12:2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.
2Co 12:3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows—
2Co 12:4 was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.

understand from scriptures that we cannot bring anything from this world with us all things of this world will be destroyed ,but we can save our life ONLY

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