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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16) [/quote] journey42,Dec. wrote:When God did this, was there any other gods present?
Quote After God created His firstborn, Jesus Christ (The Word of God), then all other things were created BY God, and THROUGH that firstborn Son.
Hi MikeHang on a minute. Stop right there!
There was NO SON, until he was born of a woman. Before that there was only God and his Word. The Word of God is not a creation, but a being, for it came out of God.
The Word only became the man Jesus Christ, when God impregnated Mary with his own seed.
eg. Mike was not made until his dad's seed was joined with his mother's egg. Before that there was no Mikey.Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,12:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16) [/quote] journey42,Dec. wrote:When God did this, was there any other gods present?
Quote After God created His firstborn, Jesus Christ (The Word of God), then all other things were created BY God, and THROUGH that firstborn Son.
Hi MikeHang on a minute. Stop right there!
There was NO SON, until he was born of a woman. Before that there was only God and his Word. The Word of God is not a creation, but a being, for it came out of God.
The Word only became the man Jesus Christ, when God impregnated Mary with his own seed.
eg. Mike was not made until his dad's seed was joined with his mother's egg. Before that there was no Mikey.
j42God his not man ,to have sex with a sinner women,or any women ,
this would mean that God left his place to do that ,like the fallen angels, NO IT NEVER HAPPEN ,
THE POWER OF GOD CAME ON HER ,BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN
POWER OF GOD MEAN WORK ,INTERVENTION,BUT FOR WHAT
TO MAKE A MAN
GOD DOES NOT NEED POWER TO MAKE A MAN THIS WORK WAS DONE 6000 YEARS AGO,WE STILL USE THAT GIFT,SO THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON ,IT WAS HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THE FIRST OF HIS CREATION THAT CAME DOWN AND HUMBLE HIMSELF TO BE LIKE A MAN ,
TO BE ALSO THE FIRST TO DIE AND LAY DOWN HIS LIVE FOR ALL MEN ,HE WAS FREE OF SIN ,HE ALSO BECAME THE FIRST RESURRECTED TO EVERLASTING LIFE SO THAT HE WOULD HOLD IN ALL THINGS SUPREMACY,THIS IS WHAT GOD WANTED HIS SON TO HAVE,;CLOSSIANS 1-15-21
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,17:31) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,12:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 08 2013,17:11) When God did this, was there any other gods present? Quote After God created His firstborn, Jesus Christ (The Word of God), then all other things were created BY God, and THROUGH that firstborn Son.
Hi MikeHang on a minute. Stop right there!
There was NO SON, until he was born of a woman. Before that there was only God and his Word. The Word of God is not a creation, but a being, for it came out of God.
The Word only became the man Jesus Christ, when God impregnated Mary with his own seed.
eg. Mike was not made until his dad's seed was joined with his mother's egg. Before that there was no Mikey.
j42God his not man ,to have sex with a sinner women,or any women ,
this would mean that God left his place to do that ,like the fallen angels, NO IT NEVER HAPPEN ,
THE POWER OF GOD CAME ON HER ,BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN
POWER OF GOD MEAN WORK ,INTERVENTION,BUT FOR WHAT
TO MAKE A MAN
GOD DOES NOT NEED POWER TO MAKE A MAN THIS WORK WAS DONE 6000 YEARS AGO,WE STILL USE THAT GIFT,SO THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON ,IT WAS HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THE FIRST OF HIS CREATION THAT CAME DOWN AND HUMBLE HIMSELF TO BE LIKE A MAN ,
TO BE ALSO THE FIRST TO DIE AND LAY DOWN HIS LIVE FOR ALL MEN ,HE WAS FREE OF SIN ,HE ALSO BECAME THE FIRST RESURRECTED TO EVERLASTING LIFE SO THAT HE WOULD HOLD IN ALL THINGS SUPREMACY,THIS IS WHAT GOD WANTED HIS SON TO HAVE,;CLOSSIANS 1-15-21
PierreNo need to go on a tangent. Who said that God had sex with Mary? I didn't. Don't you know the scriptures? The holy spirit made Mary conceive. God doesn't need to have sex to do this, and God's Word was placed in Mary's womb and joined with Mary's egg, therefore a baby was created. “And the Word was made flesh” And the Father is God.
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:39) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,17:31) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,12:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 08 2013,17:11) When God did this, was there any other gods present? Quote After God created His firstborn, Jesus Christ (The Word of God), then all other things were created BY God, and THROUGH that firstborn Son.
Hi MikeHang on a minute. Stop right there!
There was NO SON, until he was born of a woman. Before that there was only God and his Word. The Word of God is not a creation, but a being, for it came out of God.
The Word only became the man Jesus Christ, when God impregnated Mary with his own seed.
eg. Mike was not made until his dad's seed was joined with his mother's egg. Before that there was no Mikey.
j42God his not man ,to have sex with a sinner women,or any women ,
this would mean that God left his place to do that ,like the fallen angels, NO IT NEVER HAPPEN ,
THE POWER OF GOD CAME ON HER ,BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN
POWER OF GOD MEAN WORK ,INTERVENTION,BUT FOR WHAT
TO MAKE A MAN
GOD DOES NOT NEED POWER TO MAKE A MAN THIS WORK WAS DONE 6000 YEARS AGO,WE STILL USE THAT GIFT,SO THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON ,IT WAS HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THE FIRST OF HIS CREATION THAT CAME DOWN AND HUMBLE HIMSELF TO BE LIKE A MAN ,
TO BE ALSO THE FIRST TO DIE AND LAY DOWN HIS LIVE FOR ALL MEN ,HE WAS FREE OF SIN ,HE ALSO BECAME THE FIRST RESURRECTED TO EVERLASTING LIFE SO THAT HE WOULD HOLD IN ALL THINGS SUPREMACY,THIS IS WHAT GOD WANTED HIS SON TO HAVE,;CLOSSIANS 1-15-21
PierreNo need to go on a tangent. Who said that God had sex with Mary? I didn't. Don't you know the scriptures? The holy spirit made Mary conceive. God doesn't need to have sex to do this, and God's Word was placed in Mary's womb and joined with Mary's egg, therefore a baby was created. “And the Word was made flesh” And the Father is God.
j42what is the holy spirit
a man a spirit being or the truth ;the spirit of truth
can any of those make a women pregnant
terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote j42 what is the holy spirit
a man a spirit being or the truth ;the spirit of truth
can any of those make a women pregnant
Pierre,Do you believe our creator and heavenly Father can do anything?
Are God's ways our ways?
Do you believe he can produce a son for himself, and prepare a sacrifice at the same time?Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
For your info, Holy Ghost is the same as Holy Spirit, and the Holy spirit is the “SPIRIT OF TRUTH”. There is power in this and it comes from God.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2013,18:10) Mikeb. Adam and Eve was not put in hell; but in paradise.
Do you agree that the dead are not counting time anymore?
I believe the dead are conscious of nothing at all, like Solomon said.I believe like you, that people who died thousands of years before the resurrection will feel like no time has passed at all when they are raised.
But saying “today you will be with me in paradise” is not the same as saying “it will SEEM LIKE it's still today when I see you again in paradise”.
Because, in reality, the thief died on Friday, Nisan 14th, 33 A.D. (Approximately)
So unless the thief actually was with Jesus in paradise on Friday, Nisan 14th, 33 A.D., he wasn't with Jesus in paradise “today”.
Wakeup, did you even bother to CONSIDER the stuff I posted? Can you see how the placement of the comma changes the whole thing?
So what makes you so sure that Jesus DIDN'T mean, “Today I am telling you that you will be with me in paradise” ?
Understanding it the way I do eliminates the need to invent a scenario where Jesus said, “You will be with me today”, but really meant, “It will SEEM LIKE today, but it won't really BE today”.
Are you so set in your first understanding that you won't even CONSIDER the other possibility?
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,00:12) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 08 2013,17:11) When God did this, was there any other gods present? Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16) After God created His firstborn, Jesus Christ (The Word of God), then all other things were created BY God, and THROUGH that firstborn Son.
Hi MikeHang on a minute. Stop right there!
1. There was NO SON, until he was born of a woman.2. The Word of God is not a creation, but a being, for it came out of God.
3. Mike was not made until his dad's seed was joined with his mother's egg. Before that there was no Mikey.
1. The following scripture disagrees with you:Colossians 1
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
First, the Son is the firstborn of all creation. That means he was the one who was created first.
Secondly, all things could not have been created through the Son if the Son wasn't there for all things to be created through him.
2. Any living thing is a “being”, journey. And aside from God Himself, I can't think of one single being who has ever existed that wasn't a creation OF God. Can you?
Anyway, don't distinguish between “being” and “creation” – as if they are at odds with each other. Because we are human BEINGS, and we are all CREATIONS, right?
3. Are you saying God couldn't bring forth a son without the help of a woman? Hmmmm……….. Which woman bore God all His other spirit sons? You know, the ones who were alive to shout for joy at the creation of the earth…….. before the first woman ever existed. (Job 38:7)
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 08 2013,17:11)
When God did this, was there any other gods present?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16) After God created His firstborn, Jesus Christ (The Word of God), then all other things were created BY God, and THROUGH that firstborn Son.
All things were created through HIS WORD Mike. When Christ was “The Word”, and not “Jesus Christ yet” He was just “The Word” at that stage.
How can God have a SON before he is born? He needs to be born first before he can be made into “his son”. There were witnesses to his birth. A Son was born.Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 08 2013,17:11) Hi Mike Hang on a minute. Stop right there!
1. There was NO SON, until he was born of a woman.2. The Word of God is not a creation, but a being, for it came out of God.
3. Mike was not made until his dad's seed was joined with his mother's egg. Before that there was no Mikey.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16) [size=3]1. The following scripture disagrees with you: Colossians 1
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
The “FIRSTBORN” of “all creation”. Are you saying that Christ was the FIRST “born in heaven” or THE FIRST “created in heaven”?
Are you saying that “The Word of God” was created?
That same Word who was always with God from everlasting?
Are you implying the Word of God is a creature?
It's tricky I know.
For God said that he ALONE created everything.
“By myself”
If God was NOT ALONE then why say that?
If his Son was with him, why not say so and give him some glory in the OT?
God doesn't contradict himself, he said in the NT “In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the Word was God”
So now it makes sense. The Word was not Yet Jesus Christ, but was reserved to transform into him so his Word can dwell with men. Now we have a new creation, FLESH. The word made FLESH. Humans are creatures. Now a new type of creature, SPIRIT-FLESH, Born of a woman. NOT JUST APPEARING, but going through a process just like me and you and all humans who came into this world.I'll cut it off here, or the post will be too long, and continue later.
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:39) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,17:31) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,12:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 08 2013,17:11) When God did this, was there any other gods present? Quote After God created His firstborn, Jesus Christ (The Word of God), then all other things were created BY God, and THROUGH that firstborn Son.
Hi MikeHang on a minute. Stop right there!
There was NO SON, until he was born of a woman. Before that there was only God and his Word. The Word of God is not a creation, but a being, for it came out of God.
The Word only became the man Jesus Christ, when God impregnated Mary with his own seed.
eg. Mike was not made until his dad's seed was joined with his mother's egg. Before that there was no Mikey.
j42God his not man ,to have sex with a sinner women,or any women ,
this would mean that God left his place to do that ,like the fallen angels, NO IT NEVER HAPPEN ,
THE POWER OF GOD CAME ON HER ,BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN
POWER OF GOD MEAN WORK ,INTERVENTION,BUT FOR WHAT
TO MAKE A MAN
GOD DOES NOT NEED POWER TO MAKE A MAN THIS WORK WAS DONE 6000 YEARS AGO,WE STILL USE THAT GIFT,SO THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON ,IT WAS HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THE FIRST OF HIS CREATION THAT CAME DOWN AND HUMBLE HIMSELF TO BE LIKE A MAN ,
TO BE ALSO THE FIRST TO DIE AND LAY DOWN HIS LIVE FOR ALL MEN ,HE WAS FREE OF SIN ,HE ALSO BECAME THE FIRST RESURRECTED TO EVERLASTING LIFE SO THAT HE WOULD HOLD IN ALL THINGS SUPREMACY,THIS IS WHAT GOD WANTED HIS SON TO HAVE,;CLOSSIANS 1-15-21
PierreNo need to go on a tangent. Who said that God had sex with Mary? I didn't. Don't you know the scriptures? The holy spirit made Mary conceive. God doesn't need to have sex to do this, and God's Word was placed in Mary's womb and joined with Mary's egg, therefore a baby was created. “And the Word was made flesh” And the Father is God.
j42Quote Pierre No need to go on a tangent. Who said that God had sex with Mary? I didn't. Don't you know the scriptures? The holy spirit made Mary conceive. God doesn't need to have sex to do this, and God's Word was placed in Mary's womb and joined with Mary's egg, therefore a baby was created. “And the Word was made flesh” And the Father is God.
the “WORD” of God his Christ that became to be known as Jesus so what God did with HIS power he made his son to be in Mary womb (just like a carrying mother )THIS WAS THE WAY THAT HE WOULD BE WITHOUT SIN ,FOR HE WAS A PERFECT WITHOUT BLEMISH, OFFERING TO GOD FOR THE SINS OF MEN ,
WHAT AS THE HOLY SPIRIT TO DO WITH THIS EVENT
I TELL YOU ;
Mt 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.
Mt 1:20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
Mt 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you”
AND ALSO WHAT DOES IT MEAN“the power of the Most High will overshadow you.”SO THAT THE RESULT WOULD BE THIS ” So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God”.???
IT SEEMS EVIDENT THAT THE ANGEL WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT MAN BEING SONS OF GOD LIKE ADAM WAS WE ALL MEN BORN OF THE WILL OF MEN ARE SONS OF MEN ,NOT SONS DIRECTLY MADE BY GOD LIKE ADAM AND “THE WORD” (CHRIST) WAS, 'BOTH BEING THE FIRST IN THEIR OWN KIND ,BUT CHRIST WAS THE SON OF GOD BY THE WILL OF GOD NOT THE WILL OF MEN ,BUT BECAUSE OF THE FLESH HE WORE HE WAS ALSO CALLED THE SON OF MEN,
ALL THIS ALSO FULFILLED THE PROPHECIES OF OLD ,SEE MATH 1;23 ;CHRIST WAS THE CLOSED THAT CAN BE EXPECT TO BE TO GOD THIS IS WHY IT COULD BE SAID ““God with us.”
Mt 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
Mt 1:23 “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”—which means, “God with us.”
2PE 1:21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
COULD SAY MUCH MORE BUT LATER
journey42,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Now a new type of creature, SPIRIT-FLESH, Born of a woman. NOT JUST APPEARING, but going through a process just like me and you and all humans who came into this world.
Can I please clarify myself. from Spirit to Flesh. Not half/half, but pure flesh.Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2013,16:45) Quote Pierre No need to go on a tangent. Who said that God had sex with Mary? I didn't. Don't you know the scriptures? The holy spirit made Mary conceive. God doesn't need to have sex to do this, and God's Word was placed in Mary's womb and joined with Mary's egg, therefore a baby was created. “And the Word was made flesh” And the Father is God.
the “WORD” of God his Christ that became to be known as Jesus so what God did with HIS power he made his son to be in Mary womb (just like a carrying mother )THIS WAS THE WAY THAT HE WOULD BE WITHOUT SIN ,FOR HE WAS A PERFECT WITHOUT BLEMISH, OFFERING TO GOD FOR THE SINS OF MEN ,
WHAT AS THE HOLY SPIRIT TO DO WITH THIS EVENT
I TELL YOU ;
Mt 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.
Mt 1:20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
Mt 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you”
AND ALSO WHAT DOES IT MEAN“the power of the Most High will overshadow you.”SO THAT THE RESULT WOULD BE THIS ” So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God”.???
IT SEEMS EVIDENT THAT THE ANGEL WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT MAN BEING SONS OF GOD LIKE ADAM WAS WE ALL MEN BORN OF THE WILL OF MEN ARE SONS OF MEN ,NOT SONS DIRECTLY MADE BY GOD LIKE ADAM AND “THE WORD” (CHRIST) WAS, 'BOTH BEING THE FIRST IN THEIR OWN KIND ,BUT CHRIST WAS THE SON OF GOD BY THE WILL OF GOD NOT THE WILL OF MEN ,BUT BECAUSE OF THE FLESH HE WORE HE WAS ALSO CALLED THE SON OF MEN,
ALL THIS ALSO FULFILLED THE PROPHECIES OF OLD ,SEE MATH 1;23 ;CHRIST WAS THE CLOSED THAT CAN BE EXPECT TO BE TO GOD THIS IS WHY IT COULD BE SAID ““God with us.”
Mt 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
Mt 1:23 “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”—which means, “God with us.”
2PE 1:21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
COULD SAY MUCH MORE BUT LATER
That's Good Pierre.Mike, I'll deal with your insults later!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2013,11:08) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2013,18:10) Mikeb. Adam and Eve was not put in hell; but in paradise.
Do you agree that the dead are not counting time anymore?
I believe the dead are conscious of nothing at all, like Solomon said.I believe like you, that people who died thousands of years before the resurrection will feel like no time has passed at all when they are raised.
But saying “today you will be with me in paradise” is not the same as saying “it will SEEM LIKE it's still today when I see you again in paradise”.
Because, in reality, the thief died on Friday, Nisan 14th, 33 A.D. (Approximately)
So unless the thief actually was with Jesus in paradise on Friday, Nisan 14th, 33 A.D., he wasn't with Jesus in paradise “today”.
Wakeup, did you even bother to CONSIDER the stuff I posted? Can you see how the placement of the comma changes the whole thing?
So what makes you so sure that Jesus DIDN'T mean, “Today I am telling you that you will be with me in paradise” ?
Understanding it the way I do eliminates the need to invent a scenario where Jesus said, “You will be with me today”, but really meant, “It will SEEM LIKE today, but it won't really BE today”.
Are you so set in your first understanding that you won't even CONSIDER the other possibility?
Mikeb.I am not in the habit of changing the scriptures.
Nor reconstructing the sentences.
Once one dies, one enters the land of the dead.
Time is no more for him. His last day is today; there is no tomorrow.One example:
Jesus said: The kingdom is at hand,that was two thousand yrs ago.
Does He know what He was saying?
Was He mistaken?No, He was not; He knows what he is saying.
It is us that can not understand what he is saying.Man only live up to a hundred or less years.
The kingdom is at hand for every generation.
One can be here today, and not tomorrow.wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:58) How can God have a SON before he is born? He needs to be born first before he can be made into “his son”. There were witnesses to his birth. A Son was born.
So then none of us are sons or daughters of God right now, because we will be REBORN as sons and daughters later on, right?If there are witnesses of my REBIRTH after the resurrection, does it prohibit me from being a son of God right now?
Can God not cause His firstborn spirit Son to be REBORN of a human woman to serve a specific purpose?
Consider this analogy:
Today God decided that He needed to have his spirit son Gabriel born from your womb, because there are things Gabriel needs to accomplish on earth as a human being. And God's angel told you what was about to happen, and told you to name him Gabriel when you give birth to him.
Questions:
1. Would that mean Gabriel was NOT God's son BEFORE he was born as a son of God on earth?2. Would you being told to name him Gabriel on earth mean that his name hasn't already been Gabriel in heaven for many years?
The answer to both questions is “NO”.
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:58) The “FIRSTBORN” of “all creation”. Are you saying that Christ was the FIRST “born in heaven” or THE FIRST “created in heaven”?
It's not ME, but scripture that says Jesus was the firstborn of EVERYONE – in heaven and on earth. He is the firstborn of EVERYTHING that was ever CREATED. He was “the BEGINNING of the creation by God”. (Rev 3:14)Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:58) Are you saying that “The Word of God” was created?
Yes. God brought the Word forth as the first of his works. (Proverbs 8:22-25)Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:58) That same Word who was always with God from everlasting?
What scripture says the Word was “from everlasting”?Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:58) Are you implying the Word of God is a creature?
Yes. If he is a living being, and is NOT God Almighty Himself, then he has no choice but to be a creature, ie: a creation OF God.Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:58) It's tricky I know
Not at all. It's all right there in the scriptures – plain as day for anyone to see.Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:58) For God said that he ALONE created everything.
“By myself”
If God was NOT ALONE then why say that?
I don't deny that God, ALONE and BY HIMSELF, created all things that have ever been created. But remember, He who creates is ONE, and he through whom the thing is created is ANOTHER. – TertullianSee if you can follow this: God, ALONE and BY HIMSELF, created me. But God chose to do that THROUGH Adam, and THROUGH Eve, and THROUGH Noah, and THROUGH my grandparents, and THROUGH my parents.
Do you see how God creating me THROUGH a bunch of other vessels doesn't change the fact that God, ALONE and BY HIMSELF, is the ONLY ONE who actually created me?
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:58) If his Son was with him, why not say so and give him some glory in the OT?
The Son DID have much glory before he was made into the likeness of a human being. (Phil 2:6-8) In fact, he speaks about this great glory in John 17:5.journey, didn't God say, “Let US make man in OUR image” ? Yes. So how can you think God was LITERALLY all by Himself when He created all things? He is still creating to this very day, and we know there are at least four creatures in His presence, singing to Him day and night, right? Yet, even with those creatures right there beside Him, He can still say, “I ALONE create, and NO ONE is with me!” Because “with me” is also an idiom for “helping me”. Like when God told David, “Go up and attack, for I will be with you“. It didn't mean God Almighty Himself was a part of David's army, all decked out in armor and carrying a shield and a sword, right? Instead, it meant, “I will be HELPING you”, right?
So when God says, “No one was WITH me when I created”, He means, “It was by MY POWER ALONE that the creating was done, and I didn't need anyone else's HELP to do it.”
Are you understanding these things?
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:58) ……….in the NT “In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the Word was God”
So now it makes sense. The Word was not Yet Jesus Christ, but was reserved to transform into him so his Word can dwell with men. Now we have a new creation, FLESH. The word made FLESH. Humans are creatures. Now a new type of creature………………
So then, in your understanding, God Almighty Himself split in two, with one half remaining God, and the other half becoming a completely different living entity? And then that other entity, the one who USED TO BE God Almighty Himself, became flesh when he was born of a human woman. And it was at the time he was born of Mary that this separate living entity changed from “some nameless being beside God” to the “Son of God named Jesus”? And then this formerly “God Almighty Himself”, and formerly “nameless being who dwelled beside God” died as the flesh and blood Son of God? And then the half of God that remained “God” raised the half of him that died from the dead? And now they are joined again – together as one God? So the Lamb OF God, and God Himself, are both “God Almighty Himself”?All I can say is “WOW!”
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 13 2013,00:50) Mike, I'll deal with your insults later!
journey,Could you please quote the insults I made against you, so I can afford you a proper apology for them.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 13 2013,02:47) Mikeb. I am not in the habit of changing the scriptures.
Nor reconstructing the sentences.
You don't have to. The original Greek didn't have any commas, Wakeup. So it said, “Verily I say unto thee today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”Now, without “reconstructing” the sentence, tell me where the comma should be.
And then tell me how you KNOW it should be there. It is because that's were the KJV scholars put it?
How about this “scripture” that you don't have to “change”:
Luke 23:43 NWT
And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.”Look at where the comma is in the NWT. And then tell me how you KNOW it shouldn't be there.
In the NWT version, Jesus is telling the thief TODAY, that he will SOMEDAY be with Jesus in paradise. That is true, and doesn't need any of your fancy “explanations”.
Or, you can place the comma where the KJV places it, and go around “explaining” to everyone that Jesus meant, “You won't actually be with me today in paradise, like I've clearly said, but it will SEEM LIKE it's still today when we meet up together in paradise.”
The CHOICE, as always, will remain yours to make.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 16 2013,04:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 13 2013,02:47) Mikeb. I am not in the habit of changing the scriptures.
Nor reconstructing the sentences.
You don't have to. The original Greek didn't have any commas, Wakeup. So it said, “Verily I say unto thee today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”Now, without “reconstructing” the sentence, tell me where the comma should be.
And then tell me how you KNOW it should be there. It is because that's were the KJV scholars put it?
How about this “scripture” that you don't have to “change”:
Luke 23:43 NWT
And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.”Look at where the comma is in the NWT. And then tell me how you KNOW it shouldn't be there.
In the NWT version, Jesus is telling the thief TODAY, that he will SOMEDAY be with Jesus in paradise. That is true, and doesn't need any of your fancy “explanations”.
Or, you can place the comma where the KJV places it, and go around “explaining” to everyone that Jesus meant, “You won't actually be with me today in paradise, like I've clearly said, but it will SEEM LIKE it's still today when we meet up together in paradise.”
The CHOICE, as always, will remain yours to make.
Mike b.So you favour:I tell you today;you will—–
instead of I tell you; today you you will—–How would you interpret this one?
Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
This was said two thousand years ago.
Please explain?wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2013,14:47) w there is no favored in the truth of God
T.What was that Terra?
Are you speaking in tongues?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 16 2013,15:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2013,14:47) w there is no favored in the truth of God
T.What was that Terra?
Are you speaking in tongues?
wakeup.
Quote Mike b. So you favour:I tell you today;you will—–
instead of I tell you; today you you will—–Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2013,00:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 16 2013,15:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2013,14:47) w there is no favored in the truth of God
T.What was that Terra?
Are you speaking in tongues?
wakeup.
Quote Mike b. So you favour:I tell you today;you will—–
instead of I tell you; today you you will—–
T.The kingdom is at hand two thousand years ago?
What have you got to say about this?
The more I know you the more I see your nakedness.wakeup.
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