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Hi,
Jas 1
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Mt 15.19
“For out of the heart come evil thoughts,murders, adulteries, fornication, thefts, false witness, slanders. These are what defile a man..”
Sin in the flesh is the enemy.
Hi,
Jesus was tempted in every way we are.
Where did the temptation come from??
Rev3
.21
“He who overcomes, I will grant for him to sit down with me on my throne, as I also overcame..”
Hi Kerwin
These are just passages that are misused by those who love darkness and therefore will not come into the light.
So according to this lie you have heard John is supposed to claim everyone sins and yet a few verses latter he states “if you sin” instead of “when you sin”. The word if means either the person that hear sinned or they did not sin which makes the idea he was insisting believers always sin a lie. He is not given contradictory messages so there are clearly some that do not sin.
To fit John’s later and earlier words he would either be speaking of the sinful nature or past sins. I favor past sins.
The new man does exist
Kudos again and again, Life is much more simple than people make it. It’s really boiled down to:
Ecclesiastes 12
12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Acts 15:19-21King James Version (KJV)
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Hi BD,
If you feared God would you not obey His Son?
He has God’s blessing.
“This is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased”
That’s great news Kerwin that you really believe you’re perfect and always led of the spirit.But Paul in Philippians didn’t consider himself perfect and I don’t consider myself perfect either.Call me a sinner and damn me to hell,I’m okay with that but do you damn Paul who didn’t sin but only the sin that dwelt in him did.Let’s not damn Paul but only the sin that was in him,okay?
Hi,
So Jesus won the battle against sin in the flesh
He was an overcomer.
He is able to help us who face similar problems.
Yes Bod Paul’s sins were a bit different from Cain’s since Cain was supposedly the first naturally born human and Paul came from generations of sinners.But yet they were all just venial since God blessed them both anyway.
Hi Andrew,
Yes Paul regarded himself as the greatest of sinners-he killed brothers of Jesus- but he found mercy.
Paul’s sins are under the blood and Cain’s sins are under the flood but all are washed away! Praise God!
Kerwn, what you perfer is irrelevent, what JOHN AND PAUL SAID IS RELEVENT, IMO. Your minuplation of what they clearly said is in fact a sin against the truth. Look no one here is saying OR EVER HAS SAID to my knowledge, we should CONTINUE TO sin , because we are under the grace of GOD. BEING UNDER THE GRACE OF GOD DOES NOT GIVE US A LICENSE TO SIN, NOT ONE IS SAYING THAT. WE ARE ALL SUSPOSE TO PUT SIN OUT OF OUR LIVES, and with the SPIRIT OF GOD WE ALL SHOULD BE OVERCOMMING OUR SINS, AS WE GROW IN GRACE AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH.
BUT WHAT IS INTERESTING IS HOW YOU AND NICK BOTH WOULD EVEN ASSUME ANYONE HERE IS SAYING, IT’S OK TO CONTINUE TO SIN. BUT THEN AGAIN I WOULD EXPECT THAT FROM THOSE WHO HAVE AN EVIL EYE. KERWIN IF THAT LIGHT IN YOU BE DARKNESS, HOW GREAT IS THAT DARKNESS? FROM THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAK, THE MERCIFUL SHALL RECIEVE MERCY. As i recall you have said you still have a smoking problem, is that not a sin? Are you ok with that as you falsely accusing others of saying it’s ok to sin. Should he that is under the power of sin condemn others who are also?
peace and love to you and yours. …………………gene
Gene,
What you want it to say is not clearly said and if you had listened to what I wrote then you would know that.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.(1 John 2:1-2)
This is clear and it tells use that a man may either sin or not sin. That is at odds with your chosen interpretation that no one that hungers and thirsts for righteousness would continue to believe. These words offers hope to those that desire to be truly set free from being servants of sin that they will be set free just as Jesus promises.
1 John 1:5-8Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
John does not say as some think “If we say we do not sin …” but rather he says “if we say we have no sin …” after he just told us that Jesus cleans us from all sin.
So according to John sin is a possession and the only two things I know that are called sin in Scripture are 1) past sins and 2) the flesh.
I prefer the first because I know that Jesus cleans us from past sins and if we sin again and then we are to confess our sins for he will cleanse us of that sin as well.
On the other hand he does not cleanse us of the soulish nature but he does give us the power to overcome it.
John confirms my suspicions in verse 9-10.
1 John 1:9-10Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
AndrewAD,
I know I have not stopped sinning yet but I have faith I will obtain that goal provided Satan does not cut my life short. It is about faith and having the knowledge that a person that is fully mature in Christ bears his likeness in that they do not sin though full tempted as others are. It is a goal that can only be reached by faith as God does the work.
The teaching that all human beings must sin is an obstacle set there to block those that are running the race. We are to run that race as if to get the prize (1 Corinthians 9:24).
Hi,
God does not want us to focus on ourselves and concentrate on becoming sinless.
if we have the Spirit and let the Spirit control our lives it will happen.
HI Gene
Well here is the matter on the Soul issue it came to me by way of inspiration it was staring us right in the face Jesus said
Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.This is a clear statement that the soul can be alive without the body being alive
Hi,
We can become self absorbed focussing on striving to be sinless.
It is the work of the sanctifying Spirit and we can only get in the way.
I know Gene has seen the Matthew 10:28 verse before, but it is not about seeing the verse, it’s about seeing the verse from a different perspective, focusing on the Body and Soul as opposed to focusing on the soul alive while the Body is not, because his argument is, they are a whole which is why you always see “living soul” so the Matthew 10:28 verse essentially says “living soul” dead Body and that is the only verse in which there is this clear division of the two, Gene is vastly intelligent so either he will see this as clear or perhaps he will have another valid argument as he is very thoughtful and insightful, I just thought it was an interesting subject and I was inspired to relay what I am sharing.
DB…….THE REASON JESUS ADDRESS THE BODY AND THE SOUL is because that is what a “living soul” or being is. Two points, one if you will look up the word used there for soul , you will see it can be interputed as spirit. But even if we say soul and body it still can mean that a “living soul” is a body with the breath of life in it, Paul also said
1Ths 5:23…..and the very GOD OF PEACE sanctify you “WHOLLY”; and i pray GOD YOUR “WHOLE” SPIRIT AND SOUL AND BODY be perserved blameless unto the comming of the lord JESUS CHRIST.
HERE Paul WAS referencing the “complete being”, and a complete human being is a body with spirit and the breath of life in it.
No scripture says a soul is seperate from a body, spirits can be added or removed from a living soul, that is why JESUS COMMENDED HIS SPIRIT TO GOD, BUT HIS SOUL DIED ALONG WITH HIS BODY WHEN THE BREATH OF LIFE LEFT HIS BODY, HE, THE BEING JESUS, WAS THEN “DEAD” JUS AS WE ARE WHEN WE DIE. WHEN JESUS SAID HE WAS DEAD HE TRULY WAS DEAD, HE WAS NO LONGER A LIVING SOUL, AND HIS SPIRIT WENT BACK TO GOD WHO GAVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. HE NO LONGER WAS A “LIVING SOUL” UNTILL HE WAS RESRECTED BY GO THE FATHER, HIS BODY WAS REACTIVATED BY THE BREATH OF LIFE AND HE AGAIN BECAME A “LIVING SOUL” AND THE SPIRIT GIVEN HIM FROM GOD RETURNED to his RESTORED “living soul”.
It is apsolutely crucial we all attain unto the resurection of a body with the breath of life in it, in order for us to again become a “living soul”. What must take place is clearly written in EZEKIEL 37.
peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene
“God does not want us to focus on ourselves and concentrate on becoming sinless.We can become self absorbed focussing on striving to be sinless.”These are good words from Nick.
Many a group has come up with doctrines of “sinless perfectionism”but this leads to two things imo,either an heir of superiority,thinking they are above all others or can also lead to self loathing,constant doubt and depression.Neither of these are healthy and I’ve had my share of self loathing and doubting myself which as Nick points out is being self absorbed.
I see 1John as being in some ways a practical commentary on John’s gospel and how to live based on its teachings.”if we sin”means a Christian is capable of sinning but isn’t saying we must sin.And if we sin we can be forgiven.When it says “if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us”to me is a guard against ideas of sinless perfectionism and should keep us humble.But of course we shouldn’t “walk in darkness”which as Gene points out is not just blatant sin but also false doctrine such as “sinless perfection”. For 1 John is clearly written to Christians.
And one of 1 Johns main themes and Paul’s as well is love.If we love others and God it directs our lives away from vice.Love should be our focus imo.
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