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Wakeup………Nick is right………….Jesus said thy Kingdom come they WILL, be done, and again says scripture, for He (God) works “IN” you “BOTH” to WILL and do of his good pleasure.
While it does come from without, it goes within you, it is the Spirit of the LIVING God, It came from without to Jesus and went into Him at the Jordan river and that is where he became a Son of GOD, and from that day forth he went out into the world preaching the Kingdom of God. That is why the voice from heaven said, “THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU, not some time in a past life.
God rules from “within” out, you see it as “without” in. , Jesus clearly said, The kingdom of God comes not with “OBSERVATION” it is “WITHIN YOU” and we are not misunderstanding it , it is CLEARLY WRITTEN
As i have said you have bought into the big LIES Preached form the Synagogues of Satan himself. You do not believe Jesus was and is a HUMAN BEING Just as we are, you see him different then you and when he comes will you know him seeing you have pushed his identity away from yourself? How can we overcome even as He did if he was different then we are.
The only difference was God was with him and “IN” Him. But those of the household of God have the same God with them and IN them also. or don't you believe this, Brethren “NOW” you are Sons of God and again know you not that your “BODY” “IS” the TEMPLE of the LIVING GOD and again it is written, Inasmuch as you (true believers) are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the “SPIRIT” of the LIVING GOD; not in tables of stone, but “IN” “FLESHY” Tables of the “HEART”. And again, And what agreement has the temple of God with Idols? for you “ARE” the temple of the LIVING GOD; as GOD has SAID, I will “DWELL” “IN” them, and “WALK” “IN” them; and I will be their GOD and they shall be my people. it is written, If the Kingdom of God is not “SPIRITUALLY WITHIN” you “NOW”, you simple have no part of it Wakeup, IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
GeneB.
Ok hat is how you see it.
But still have to go through great tribulation to make the robes white.
There is a physical kingdom coming.
It will be *SET UP* in jerusalem.
Only 144k have the kingdom in them.
They are the ones that follow the Lamb wheresoever He goes.
They are the virgins in the eyes of God.
They will be the first fruits.wakeup.
Wakeup……..What a Small crop for such a large sacrifice. scripture says Jesus will rule for a thousand years, with the Saints of the Most High , Now you believe there are only 144,000 Saints right? Such a pity a miraculous work of God only yields 144.100, from the earth of maybe 100, billion over time. In fact who are the innumerable multitude spoken of there. I understand that 12000 from each tribes of Israel will be locates around the throne of God and the Lamb. I understand the four Living creatures represent the four quadrants of Israel set up the way it was in the wilderness. The head of a LION was the symbol for (JUDAH) , the head of a EAGLE (Dan), the head of a Man (Ruben) the head of an OX (Ephraim) and each had two others of the other tribes with them in there quadrant, hence “THREE SET OF WING” with eyes (God's Spirit) in them. These eyes are the Spirit God and is what elevates them hence “WINGS”
Revelation is a “SYMBOLIC” BOOK and many false teaching have emerged from it , also so the book of Genesis. If you don't know the symbolic language uses you simply can not understand it . Remember It say God ” SIGNIFIED” It, or better “SYMBOLIZED” it, in our more modern word understanding.
Back to your point, this i say, Now if Jesus has said to me you have passed (pass tense word), into Life, why am I not also counted with the rest of the Saints of God, does God play favorites, is He a respecter of Persons.
Wakeup you rendition of those who are saved and in the first Resurrection is wrong, Paul said we who are alive will be changes and meet Christ Jesus in the air and ever be with the Lord. but we will not proceed the one in the grave who will rise first and are to meet the Lord in the air and descend on Mount Paran , I saw the Lord descend with tens of thousand of his Saint to execute judgement in the earth and to show all the ungodly of all there ungodly deed which they have ungodly committed.
As far as tribulation is concerned I have experienced tribulation here in this present Life and God has Disciplined me and Scourged me at times , Just as it says, “The LORD disciplines his children and “SCOURGES” “EVERY” Son He excepts?, and again “you shall all be salted with fire. Do you honestly believe the great tribulation could be any worse then what men have already gone through in this earth, at times, go tell the to the Jew who were in Germany in 1930- 40's. Tell that to all the mortars for Jesus who gave their lives for a witness of Jesus.
Wakeup, we are in great tribulation if you ask me, How much worse does it have to get open your eyes man!. Some places worse then others, but most are troubled to some degree every where you go. Pray for the KINGDOM to come, and God's WILL to be Done in and though everyone. we are all living in very trouble times Wakeup. IMO
peace and love to you and your……………………..gene
Hi GB
3 Wings?
Do you mean this?.Revelation 4:8
And the four living creatures, each one of them having six wings, are full of eyes around and within; and day and night they do not cease to say, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is to come.”Gene B.
The 144k are only the first fruits.
There are multutudes and multitudes coming soon later.
But have to go great tribulation.This is it Gene,the great tribulation:so get ready. Do you have a family and small children?
The time will come soon, that you can not buy food,
without the mark of the beast. You neeed to take it for your children sake,for they are starving,they are crying,screaming.This is how great the pressure will be up on you.
Maybe your children have grown; but everyone need food,and water. You have to make a decision.
There can not be but this or that. You take it or starve.Jesus said: He who love children,father,mother,brother,sister, more than Me is not worthy of Me.
He who saves his life shall loose it.
He who looses his life for my sake shall find life.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,00:42) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,13:06) I am not sure what your reasoning is but Moses never asked to see God's facial features so why would God come out of the blue and say “No man may see my face and live”?
Kerwin,There are many explanations, which I don't have the patience to go through with you. I will share just one possibility:
Moses asked to see God's glory. God pointed out to Moses that He would indeed allow Moses to see the amount of His glory that a human eye is capable of beholding.
And, just as an explanation to Moses, God was saying, “I will indeed let you see as much of me as you can see without dying. But no human being can literally see me, as I am, without dying.”
In other words: “You can't see my face” = “You can't see me as I am, but I will show you some stuff that no other human being has ever seen……. but only as much stuff as your eyes can handle.”
Kerwin, show me the scripture that says God doesn't have a form.
Mike,You already stated the Israelites did not see his similitude. There are also passages that state he is invisible.
I asking you to show a passage that proves it without contradicting the actual words of John 1:18 or any other passage of Scripture.
It is a teaching either based on the idea human beings can see God's appearances or the idea that the same words when applied to a human being mean something different when applied to an angel.
Quote (kerwin @ May 12 2014,05:24) Wakeup, Satan lost his place in heaven long ago when he first sinned. He rules this dark world and reports to God just as he did in the days of Job.
Why do you think this world still suffers the adversity that Job did and more?
Hi KW,
Do storms and attacks by marauding gangs still happen?
Do houses fall on people?
Do boils happen?Satan caused all those to happen to Job
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,05:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2014,12:35) Quote (kerwin @ May 12 2014,05:24) Wakeup, Satan lost his place in heaven long ago when he first sinned. He rules this dark world and reports to God just as he did in the days of Job.
Why do you think this world still suffers the adversity that Job did and more?
Kerwin.If you read rev.12 carefully; you will notice that the dragon was cast out soon after the resurrection of Jesus.
wakeup.
It's tough to pinpoint when Satan was (will be?) cast out of heaven.Before the resurrection, Jesus said he SAW Satan fall to the earth like lightning. Was Jesus speaking in a prophetic fashion – talking of things yet to be?
And in Revelation, is there really a time given that the accuser of the brethren was cast out of heaven? This was, after all, a revelation of things “soon to come”.
Perhaps he hasn't yet been cast out. Perhaps that is something that will soon happen.
How can we know for sure?
Mike B.Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
THE CHILD(JESUS) WAS COUGHT UP TO HEAVEN.
HE WAS RESURRECTED. THEN COMES THE WAR WITH SATAN. JESUS WAS CLEANING OUT HEAVEN.Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
IT IS HERE WHEN SATAN AND HIS ANGELS CAN NOT ENTER HEAVEN ANYMORE.
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
NO MORE PLACE IN HEAVEN FOR SATAN AND HIS ANGELS.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
SATAN THE ACCUSER IS CAST DOWN.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
HEAVEN IS TO REJOICE,BUT NOT FOR THE EARTH,BECAUSE
HE AND HIS ANGELS HAS COME DOWN TO EARTH,
AND IS VERY ANGRY.When jesus saw satan fall like lightning: was a near future prophecy.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ May 13 2014,13:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,00:42) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,13:06) I am not sure what your reasoning is but Moses never asked to see God's facial features so why would God come out of the blue and say “No man may see my face and live”?
Kerwin,There are many explanations, which I don't have the patience to go through with you. I will share just one possibility:
Moses asked to see God's glory. God pointed out to Moses that He would indeed allow Moses to see the amount of His glory that a human eye is capable of beholding.
And, just as an explanation to Moses, God was saying, “I will indeed let you see as much of me as you can see without dying. But no human being can literally see me, as I am, without dying.”
In other words: “You can't see my face” = “You can't see me as I am, but I will show you some stuff that no other human being has ever seen……. but only as much stuff as your eyes can handle.”
Kerwin, show me the scripture that says God doesn't have a form.
Mike,You already stated the Israelites did not see his similitude. There are also passages that state he is invisible.
I asking you to show a passage that proves it without contradicting the actual words of John 1:18 or any other passage of Scripture.
It is a teaching either based on the idea human beings can see God's appearances or the idea that the same words when applied to a human being mean something different when applied to an angel.
Kerwin.Moses did see God visiting mount sinai in the form of a cloud and lightnings.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2014,13:57) Quote (kerwin @ May 13 2014,13:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,00:42) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,13:06) I am not sure what your reasoning is but Moses never asked to see God's facial features so why would God come out of the blue and say “No man may see my face and live”?
Kerwin,There are many explanations, which I don't have the patience to go through with you. I will share just one possibility:
Moses asked to see God's glory. God pointed out to Moses that He would indeed allow Moses to see the amount of His glory that a human eye is capable of beholding.
And, just as an explanation to Moses, God was saying, “I will indeed let you see as much of me as you can see without dying. But no human being can literally see me, as I am, without dying.”
In other words: “You can't see my face” = “You can't see me as I am, but I will show you some stuff that no other human being has ever seen……. but only as much stuff as your eyes can handle.”
Kerwin, show me the scripture that says God doesn't have a form.
Mike,You already stated the Israelites did not see his similitude. There are also passages that state he is invisible.
I asking you to show a passage that proves it without contradicting the actual words of John 1:18 or any other passage of Scripture.
It is a teaching either based on the idea human beings can see God's appearances or the idea that the same words when applied to a human being mean something different when applied to an angel.
Kerwin.Moses did see God visiting mount sinai in the form of a cloud and lightnings.
wakeup.
wupdid Moses really see God
please answer the questionTo all………. No man has seen God at anytime, God is a spirit and and spirits can not be seen, Spirit is the source that creates and controls all physical matter, the, LORD our God lives vicariously in and through his creation. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2014,07:53) Hi GB
3 Wings?
Do you mean this?.Revelation 4:8
And the four living creatures, each one of them having six wings, are full of eyes around and within; and day and night they do not cease to say, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is to come.”
Nick……..I should have said three sets of wings, as each tribe has its own set of wings . The throne of God is laid out like it was laid out in the wilderness. Each Standard in the four quadrants of the tabernacle contained three tribes< the head or standard (FLAG) used was, the lion, eagle, man, ox. all these four had another two tribes attached to that quadrant around the tabernacle. The pattern of the tabernacle was as it would be in the throne of God. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2014,12:34) Gene B. The 144k are only the first fruits.
There are multutudes and multitudes coming soon later.
But have to go great tribulation.This is it Gene,the great tribulation:so get ready. Do you have a family and small children?
The time will come soon, that you can not buy food,
without the mark of the beast. You neeed to take it for your children sake,for they are starving,they are crying,screaming.This is how great the pressure will be up on you.
Maybe your children have grown; but everyone need food,and water. You have to make a decision.
There can not be but this or that. You take it or starve.Jesus said: He who love children,father,mother,brother,sister, more than Me is not worthy of Me.
He who saves his life shall loose it.
He who looses his life for my sake shall find life.wakeup.
Wakeup…………So all those in the past who have died have not been through great tribulations, they just had a cake walk right?Wakeup we have all been though great tribulations at times. Starvation has been experienced on this earth from times past a long time past and still exists today, thousand die every day from starvation and disease and pestilences. Do you not moan and groan for all the injustices taking place on this earth right now?
Look tribulation is tribulation, and great tribulation has been here every sense Adam and Eve sinned. Their own son murdered his own brother , do you think that was not a tribulation for them?. People have eaten their own children in the siege of Jerusalem. While it might not be over the whole earth at one time it still was a GREAT TRIBULATION for those who experienced those things.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Gene B.
You can ignore these scriptures and play ostrich.
Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
SHOULD BE KILLED MEANS THE DEATH PENALTY.
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
ALL ARE TO RECIEVE A MARK.THAT INCLUDES YOU.
DONT SAY; NOT ME: FOR I AM SAVED.I AM SPIRIT;I CAN FLY.Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
NO MARK; NO FOOD.WORSHIP THE BEAST OR DEATH.
THE NUMBER IS OF A MAN. NOT SPIRITUAL;
BUT PHYSICAL.MANY WILL DECEIVE BY SAYING IT IS SPIRITUAL.Revelation 6:11 ***And white robes*** were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season,
***until their fellowservants also and their brethren***, **that should be killed as they were, should befulfilled** .THE FELLOW SERVANTS AND BRETHREN WILL BE LAST DAYS CHRISTIANS. THAT WOULD BE YOU INCLUDED.
UNLESS YOU COMPROMISE WITH THE ENEMY.wakeup.
Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls
***of them that were slain***
for the word of God, and for the testimony which they
held:THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN THROUGH THEIR TRIBULATION.
Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 14 2014,00:17) To all………. No man has seen God at anytime, God is a spirit and and spirits can not be seen, Spirit is the source that creates and controls all physical matter, the, LORD our God lives vicariously in and through his creation. IMO peace and love to you all…………………………….gene
Gene B./Ter.Moses was shown God's back.
Yes, God has a face too.We are made in his image.
We look like God in shape. We need to be like God also, spirit wise.wakeup.
Hi WU,
Death for us is in baptism. Rom 6
Likewise those who join themselves to the HEAD-Jesus -have been beheadedQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2014,04:52) Hi WU
We look like God in shape?
Was God not in heaven when Moses SAW Him?
Nick.Just incase you have never read this.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
wakeup.
Hi WU,
God does not have a body of dust.
We are alike to God by His design.But God bears little resemblance to us
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