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Nick….I just quoted scripture to you, in my last text, and many scriptures before that one, so why accuse me of not letting scripture convience me? Could it be your not paying attention to the exact wording in those scriptures.
What does this mean to you, Rom 8:23 “the “redemption” of “our” body”. If it is the way you think it would have said, the redemption of “A” body, not “Our”, the word “our” meang a present existig body, not a completely different one.
You are right in stating the seed sown is not the body to be, but it is an exact copy of that body, the body that rasies is from the body that was BURIED, it is REGENERATED from it, its DNA would be the exact same as the one buried, because it come from “IT”. Its just a new spritually generated one. Not a human regenerated one, but a “spiritual” regenerated one.
As jesus’ resurected body was and is, so shall ours be. As for a glorified and empowered body, God can do that with any body even a present existing one, as scriptures i have posted to you alread clearly shows. If God can heal these bodies He certainly can glorify and empower and restore them also.
Nick, i am old and full well understand the weaknes of these aged bodies, but i also remember the strength and energy i had when i was a young man, i believe GOD CREATED MAN ORIGINALLY WITH A PERFECT BODY, THAT HAD THE CAPACITY TO LIVE FOREVER. SIN IS WHAT SHORTENED A MANS LIFE, and BROUGHT ON THE DEATH OF IT. “For it is apointed unto man to die once then after that the judgement”.
GOD CREATED our bodies PERFECT, because HE said, what HE created was Good, but you seem to believe He had flaws in His WORKMANSHIP. In this i disagree with you, while i do believe God knew man would fall from the beginning , he also knew man could have lived forever also. It was needful for man to experience good and evil inorder to be more like him. Just as he said “look the man has become like us, knowning good and evil”. God the Father orchestrated the fall of man from the beginning, for the perpose of making us more like HIM.
Peace and love to you and yours. . . . gene
Hi Gene,
Rom 8.23
And not only this, but we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons,
the redemption of OUR BODY.
Not bodies.
THE BODY OF CHRIST.
Hi Gene,
God described His creation as VERY GOOD.
But you change this to PERFECT to support your dogma.
Raise your eyes above flesh.
Hi Gene,
Eph 4.4
There is ONE BODY and one Spirit…
1Cor 12.12f
For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body are one, so also is Christ…..
Now you are Christ’s body and individually members of it.
The BODY of Christ
Nick….your switching subjects, from a physical body, to a body of believers. Yes we are the body of christ in the sense we are born of spirit when we were anointed by the holy spirit as Jesus was. But that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about our present physical bodies, that the cristo’s dwells “IN”.
Rom 8:11…”now if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he (God) that raised up the anointed one (Jesus) from the dead shall also quicken (bring to life) your “MORTAL” (DEAD) “BODIES” BY THE SPIRIT THAT DWELLS “IN” YOU. You see the same for Jesus, the same for us, so now ask yourself, what kind of “BODY” WAS JESUS “RAISED” WITH?, was it not, FLESH AND BONE?, AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT JESUS SAID IT WAS, right?
NICK….If you could show me where his physical body was changed to spirit one, you would have a point, but you can’t can you?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene,
Not switching subjects but aligning the true meaning of a verse you have misconstrued.
rom 8.6f
For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set n the flesh is hostile to God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
However you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
But If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him Who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He Who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through Hs Spirit Who dwells in you.
So then brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh-for if you are living according to the flesh you must die, but if you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
It is all about having our minds transformed by the Spirit as Rom 12.2 says.
Fleshly thinking, such as human logic, opposes the spiritual teaching of God.
The YLT literal translation does not have MORTAL but DYING in v 11.
Spiritually the body is dead.
Hi Gene,
Unless you can see his body being transformed you will not believe scripture?
Clouds hid him from view. Acts 1.9
Blessed are those who do not see but believe.
Nick. ..What your doing is changing subject matter, i know you don’t seem to understand that, we are not talking about the mind set here, as flesh or earthely “minded” verses spiritual “minded”, we are talking about a physical “body”, as in the word body, and it is clear even in the scriptures you quoted that the flesh is what is resurected from the dead, not spirit, because spirit does not die, it returns to HIM who gave it, but the body is what dies and is what is sown in weekness, and is raised in power, so the body is what needs to be “resurected”, not the spirit.
WHEN SCRIPTURE says….Ezk 37:13-14…”and you shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your “graves” O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, and shall put my spirit “IN” you, shall live, and I shall place you in your own land : then you shall know that I the LORD haven spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi Gene,
And Scripture says the similarity between the new and old body
is comparable to the likeness between a seed and the plant that grows from it.
So not much similarity there.
Nick….what makes you believe we will not experience the same thing. If they are to be raised and the spirit of God placed in them, so that they will live, are they going to exist any different then we are? It’s the same for us also, the only difference is we have the life giving spirit “IN” us now, we will recieve our GOD regenerated BODIES AS THEY WILL WHEN WE ARE RESERECTED. WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE “IN” US NOW, SO when we die we sleep, until we are awaken and then come forth with a physical body, just as they do. The only difference is, we already have eternal life, they recieve it after they are resurected. But none of that changes the “final” outcome now does it?
We, as they shall be like the angels, angels have physical “bodies” that can’t die, that makes them just “A LITTLE” DEFFERENT THEN WE ARE. What you are imagining is a “hugh” difference, not a “little” different. Remember what Jesus said concerning spirits, “for when a unclean spirit leaves a house (human body) it goes about in “arid” places looking for rest”., that is the way we would be without a “BODY” to live in, but God gives us a body to live in and that BODY will be regenerated for A HOUSE our spirits can live in forever after the resurection , by GOD THE FATHER HIMSELF.
Nick….ADAM could have lived forever and never die with the perfect body God created him with, had he eaten of the TREE OF LIFE, just as God said. I thank God for a flesh “body” to live in. I am looking forwared for it to be regenerated by his spirit that dwells in it along with my spirit he also gave me.
Peace and love to you and yours. . . gene
Hi Gene,
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we eagerly wait for a Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ,
who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of his glory,
by the exertion of the power that he has to subject all things to Himself.
phil 3.20f
Hi Gene,
Our flesh bodies were fashioned from the dust of earth.
We know from scripture that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.
Jesus is in heaven in a body of glory and when he returns we will be alike to the angels and to him.
So Nick…..please tell us what does a angels body look like, if not LIKE ours, then what? Do you believe angels eat, and if they do then why do they, seening you believe they are spirit beings of some kind, in fact do you know of any scripture that CALLS ANGELS SPIRITS BEINGS?
WHILE OUR BODIES WILL BE TRANSFORMED FROM BEING ABLE TO DIE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO BECAUSE OF THE LIFE GIVING SPIRIT, JUST AS THE ANGELS ARE, THAT IN NO WAY MEANS WE WILL NOT HAVE BODIES THAT ARE FLESH AND BONE AS JESUS AND THE ANGELS HAVE. Do you honstly think GOD CREATED all this Just so he could “completely” destory it all. Why do you think GOD SAID, John 3:16,.. “HE SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT WHOSOEVER BELIVED IN HIM SHOULD “NOT PARISH” but have everlasting life.
BUT GOD must hate “his” world “he created”, so he has to compltely destory it, so it all will parish, and everything be changed to invisible spirit, and our spirits must spend eternity going about in “ARID” places seeking rest. Sorry Nick I do not see it that way, to me there was nothing with the way God created this world and what is in it, the only that needs to be removed from this world is “SIN” NOT THE CREATION. IMO
I for one love this world and everything in it, except for sin that exists in it. But God the Father will remove the Sin and this world will be as he wants it to be, the world he so loves.
Peace and love to you and yours. . . gene
Hi Gene,
Yes the earth will be destroyed then made anew. All part of the new creation of God.
By your logic if you now have the Spirit you could not die.
Angel’s food is mentioned in the psalms.
Heb 1.14 tells angels are spirits.
But you can die.
Hi Gene,
Angels can be seen looking like men when the circumstances suit our God as in Ezekiel 1-10 and Gen 18-19.
But they are part of the invisible spirit creation of God.
Nick….Again for the 3rd or 4th time, .. Rom 8:11…” But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell “in” you, he that raised up (the christ) or anointed one from the dead shall also “QUICHEN” your “MORTAL” OR (DYING) “BODIES” by his Spirit that dwells “IN” you”. NOW PLEASE TELL ME WHAT PART OF US IS MORTAL or DYING, IS IT OUR SPIRIT, OR THE BODIES WE LIVE IN?
Nick what is being quickened is it the spirit or the MORTAL OR DYING BODY. SCRIPTURE SAY IT OUR DYING BODIES THAT WILL BE QUICKENED. Can you understand that simple scripture, it should not be difficult for you to understand that brother.
Nick….Death to me “NOW” IS TO FALL ASLEEP, SO IT IS WITH ALL THAT ARE “IN” CHRIST. Havent you read ” all that believe in me have “passed” from judgement unto life’ so i might fall to sleep but i will rise again, just like Jesus my lord did with a regenerated body. GOD is not the God of the dead but of the living we are told.
Now concerning the angels having bodies, Heb 1:7 … And of the angels he says, who makes his angels spirits….. that is simply saying God makes the spirits that are in the angles, the same applies to us, is it not God who gave us our spirits we have also?
A spirit does not eat physical food as angels do. Angels have bodies and sat and ate food with Father Abraham. I believe if you were to ask Father Abrahm if they had bodies he would have said yes they do.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi Gene,
The body is spiritually dying or dead because of sin.
But what is raised imperishable is not the same as what dies.
Unless a seed falls to the ground and dies it remains but a single seed.
What is planted in death is raised in glory.
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