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Terrarica,
I understand the inward self of Jesus is from heaven but in this case the inward self is not his soul but rather his spirit.
He is from above but those that do not believe are from below. The father of his spirit is God while the father of unbelievers is Satan. This is what Jesus told certain Jews and in that case it is certain he was speaking of his spirit and not his soul or body.
John 8:23Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 8:44Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Their unbelief labeled them the children of the devil for in it they lied though their lips proclaimed God as their God.
Scripture makes it clear that Jesus’ spirit came from above but it does not say anything about his soul. Those implications you see are speaking about his spirit or about the word whose image it bears. I do not need those implications since it is clear Jesus’ spirit comes from above.
Nick,
I was not directly addressing the Spirit in that post. I also was not addressing his speech except that it is an action.
Jesus’ spirit was made{formed} of the Hold Spirit and so he has continuously existed is the form of God. It is for that reason he was a worthy sacrifice. The word came to the prophets and spoke but they were not a worthy sacrifice.
Hi KW,
So because he was conceived of the Holy Spirit you too do not believe he really was a man like us?
Nick,
I have no idea where you obtain that idea.
Perhaps you will point out that you understand that way.
Hi KW,
In what way do you derive that his conception by the Holy Spirit means that he never had a normal human spirit?
Did he lose the Holy Spirit at Calvary in your opinion?
Nick,
It is my understanding that is the human spirit that renewed after the one who created us. Jesus’ spirit did not have to be renewed so I used “formed” instead.
Kerwin
Terrarica,I understand the inward self of Jesus is from heaven but in this case the inward self is not his soul but rather his spirit.
He is from above but those that do not believe are from below. The father of his spirit is God while the father of unbelievers is Satan. This is what Jesus told certain Jews and in that case it is certain he was speaking of his spirit and not his soul or body.
John 8:23Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.John 8:44Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Their unbelief labeled them the children of the devil for in it they lied though their lips proclaimed God as their God.Scripture makes it clear that Jesus’ spirit came from above but it does not say anything about his soul. Those implications you see are speaking about his spirit or about the word whose image it bears. I do not need those implications since it is clear Jesus’ spirit comes from above.
==================================================================================================yes you are the unbeliever ,for as the pharisees you don’t believe that Jesus was indeed the messiah and the son of God ,and for many reasons ;read it ;
but Jesus said if you don’t believe me at the least believe what i do (this would prove that Jesus was indeed the true messiah )but they also said that they have the Law of Moses but Jesus told them that even in the law they did not believe for it tells of the coming of the messiah /prophet like him ,
you also reject all of the scriptures for your own benefit and don’t want to admit it ,just like the pharisees
Nick
Hi KW,The man Jesus was anointed from above.
This anointing Spirit is what speaks through him.
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this is false ,no scriptures for this only your false interpretationNick says ;In what way do you derive that his conception by the Holy Spirit means that he never had a normal human spirit?
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where does it says that the holy spirit made Jesus ? for if it was then what was doing the SHADOW OF THE POWER OF GOD?Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
PLEASE say it in truth either the spirit of truth his the power of God ,or the power of God is the holy spirit of truth ,or are they two separate things ?
so which one is it ?
TERRARICCA. …Where did Jesus ever say, look what “Ì” DO? he said, if they did not believe him, “believe in the mircales”, he never said “he” did those mircales now did he? Again you change scriptures to meet you false teachings.
IF you were of the truth Pierre you would understand the thing we are telling you, but you have hardened your heart against us, and will not come to the light of truth. Saying things scriptures do not “specifically” say, is forcing the text Pierre, just as all false teachers of preexistence and trinitarians do.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Terrarica,
John 10:38Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Do you think Jesus is speaking of his fruit of his spirit or his miracles?
The words “the Father is in me, and I in him” are speaking of the unity of faith and Spirit and Jesus’ role in it.
Though the unity is clearly referring to the fruit many still stumble and believe it is his miracles despite knowing that even the OT claims those that were not the Christ performed miracles.
Note: John 14:11 is like it,
Terrarica,
Nick has a point though I prefer using Luke 4:18-19 as proof of that point.
Luke 4:18-19Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Nick,
Hi KW,
So you believe the Spirit of God is a regenerate human spirit?
Is your God of man?
You are going beyond what I said.
Jesus teaches us that God walks by teaches our [spirit]. In this way we can obtain a new spirit that bears the fruits of God’s Spirit.
That teaching is the renewal of the inward man.
Hi KW,
No.
God pours out of His Spirit.
He gives His spirit and does not re-educate our spirit.
We can offer Him nothing.
Our own spirit returns to Him at death.
exccl 12
Hi KW,
We must be transformed by renewal of our minds.
We are to be taught by the Spirit.
This has nothing to do with the human spirit.
Terrarica,
Less I loose track of my points here they are summarized.
- There is no evidence that Jesus’s soul came or did not come from above.
- There is no direct evidence the human soul comes or does not come from above.
- There is solid evidence Jesus’ body was made of Mary and so did not come from above
- There is solid evidence Jesus’ spirit was formed of the Spirit and so came from above.
In conclusion the only one that Scripture supports is that it is Jesus’ inward man, his spirit, that comes from above as it is part of unity of the Spirit.
Nick,
I am not entirely confident of this but I think you are mistaken about the meaning of “Our own spirit returns to Him at death”.
I know for sure the spirit in that passage is speaking of the breath but I am not sure if the breath of life is not also the spirit of our actions. If so then it was corrupted by the fall and that idea sits uneasy with me.
- There is no evidence that Jesus’s soul came or did not come from above.
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