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Terrarica,
I understand that Jesus is a human soul within immortal human flesh though at one time his flesh was mortal; as is ours currently.
I am not sure what your point about claiming the first creation of God was given a soul as the first creation is the heavens and the earth for it is written “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”.
I assume you are trying to fit you chosen doctrine with John’s words that Jesus Christ came in the flesh but since you do not believe Jesus originally had flesh him coming in any other body would not count.
I my speak of the inward man as being the Word that comes out of God’s mouth and which was united with Jesus when he received the Spirit of God. In this way he joined the union of God though he would not attain his full position until after his compassionate choice to sacrifice his mortality.
kerwin
you see when you don’t believe the scriptures then you get lost ,I have ask you to simply read those scriptures but as a growing man you cannot do simple things ,you have to complicate them with your own stupidity of thinking ,believing that God needs your help ,but he does not ,we need him ,
so stay blind it will be your lost not mine
if you cannot see my point it is because you do not look for it nor you looking for the truth of God only yours
Nick
show me where in scriptures it says that a man born of Adam and Eve can save anyone from death and decay , then I will answer your question
Terrarica,
If you chose to read what is written and nothing else then you are in error.
Instead read and seek to understand what is written.
2 Corinthians 4:16New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16 Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day.In this Paul teaches us the outward man is decaying. It is our whole body that is decaying. Why did Paul choose to use figurative speech when just saying body would have expressed the same idea.
He also uses the inward man to represent the spirit that is being renewed after the one that created us. Again I cannot say why he chose to use figurative speech though it may related to his culture.
Should we understand his words to be literal? If we do then each human being is two separate human beings, an inner human and an outer human.
Of course not as that idea and yet commit the same type of error repeatedly.
I challenge you to answer this question.
Did the inward man of Jesus come from above or from the earth.
His outward man has always been made of earth as it is and was flesh.
Terrarica,
Jesus is the Son of Adam, through Nathan.
Even though some claim Adam had a wife previous to Eve I do not see real Scriptural support for it. I doubt that you believe it either but who knows.
It is not written that Jesus son but it is written he is her son.
We know where Jesus’ flesh comes from because Scripture tells is he was “made of a woman”.
Did he come in the flesh or was he made flesh?
Kerwin
you are still on milk and should not read mature matters ,you have yet to live by the truth ,so that you could understand truth ,
I have told you for six years ,but you know better ,so be it ,but remember you are the ignorant not me ,
until you are able to read the scriptures i have ask you to read in truth ,we cannot talk ;
Hi t,
Did you not realise that Jesus was anointed from above and became the Messiah?
Or do you doubt that God could fulfil His promises for the Messiah?
Jesus = God saves
Terrarica,
You do not believe the words Jesus was made of a woman are literally true but instead chose to believe that Colossians 1 is literal and not speaking of the union of Jesus and the word of God.
Every other passage you cite to support your doctrine can also be interpreted in such a way as to agree the statement that Jesus is a human being and that he was made of Mary. Both of those are literally stated in Scripture but nowhere is Jesus said to preexist his conception.
In short you believe in an implied teaching and I believe in one that is literally. An implied teaching never disagrees with a literal one.
You are desperate to protect your chosen doctrine but in attempting to reconcile you fail.
Terraricca. …Until you come to see JESUS AS A FLESH AND BLOOD HUMAN BEING, who came into his existence at the time he was born on earth, and then later recieved the “anoinited” Spirit of God into him, you haven’t even started to understand the truth yet. YOU preach and teach trinitarian conceptions of the apostate churches of the world, and are not of the truth, or you could easely see their and your false teachings, that is sad, but none the less the truth. You can not decieves us PIERRE, NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY. We know the voice of the true sheppard and will not follow false one.
peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Nick
you don’t understand the scriptures for you are with man org,religion and so not live the truth ,
Jesus was sent from Heaven to earth and was the promised messiah way from Genesis 3:15 ,and so WAS BORN THE MESSIAH ,FOR HE WAS AND IS THE SON OF GOD ,
YOU JUST HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD THE TRUTH OF WHAT gOD HAS DONE FOR US ,YET SCRIPTURES ARE CLEAR ON THIS ,SO IT IS YOU THAT HAS A PROBLEM ,
kERWIN
YOU RELY ON YOUR OWN JUDGMENT FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING ,i DO RELY ON THE FULL SCRIPTURES OF GOD’S WORD,
like i said you refuse to read the scriptures as they are written ,of course that Jesus received his flesh through a women but not his soul ,silly man ,Mary was a surrogate mother to the son of God for no man can save another no sacrifice can be represented by a human born of the will of man or God for the redemption ,for they would still be under Adam sin ,
it took the son the first born/creation of God to do just that ,this is why this will only be one event never to be repeated ,
you still on milk and do not want the truth in you
Terrarica,
You seem to be misusing the word surrogate.
The flesh of all men, with the exception of Adam and Eve, is made of a woman. Since you admit that Jesus is human in this way then Mary is not Jesus’ surrogate mother.
The breath came from God in the beginning and with it the man becomes a living soul.
Your claim is that Jesus’ soul is that of a creature that preexists his conception in Mary.
Terrarica,
It is literally written that Jesus Christ is the human being that sacrificed his life for his brothers.
I know that you quote a passage that you conclude means that no human being can sacrifice his life for his brother but then that interpretation/translation contradicts 1 Timothy 2:5 while no sinner can save his his brother does not.
kerwin
you just don’t know what God did nor what he is going to do ,to the outsider yes Jesus is a man ,but to those that have the true knowledge of God know that he came from heaven ,and that is what Paul explain to those that are mature in the faith ,John also explain that ,but have mist all that teaching ,for you are teaching God himself ,so you do not need the word of God ;
I do need the scriptures ,for they are words of life ,and so I do not change them
and NO, Jesus was a soul from heaven that appear to us as a man in flesh ,and because of him not being from Adam as a soul but equal by being the first creation /so was Adam the first created man /human and so the first human soul ,
Christ being also the first spirit being and so the first soul created by God ;and through whom all things were created ,
you are wrong on all accounts
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