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To all…………It apears some think that flesh and blood is inferior in all of Gods creation here. Let get that straightened out first. King David said this and it is repeated in Hebrews, What is man that thou are so mindful of him or the Son of man that so kind to him you have been, you have created him below the Angels, you have crowned him with Glory and Honor, and has put “ALL THINGS” under His (mans) feet, in that you have put “ALL THINGS” under his (mans) foot, there is “NOTHING” that is not under His (mans) feet, “BUT” we do not “YET” see “ALL THINGS” under his (mans) feet, But we see Jesus (a resurrected Man) who was made lower then the Angels (like us) for the tasting of death, “NOW” Crowned with (that) “GLORY and HONOR and “And all things are “NOW” under His feet All Authority in heaven and in the Earth has been placed “UNDER” His Feet. These scriptures plainly show Mans great destiny and potential in the future in the plan of God . If a man was transferred to a Spirit he would no longer even be a Man, so how could this ever apply to him?.
He (Jesus) is the “FIRSTBORN” (into the kingdom of God) of “MANY” Brethren resurrected, from among “MANKIND” Jesus used the term SON of MAN 81 times in scriptures, He even said when the So of MAN returns will he find Faith on the earth So Jesus will return as a SON of MAN, Not and angel or Spirit entity of any kind.
Another fact is that God in Scripture Plainly says for He (God) has “NOT” Subjected the world to come unto Angels. So, so much for the Jesus being and angels thing right?. Because if he is or were and Angel, then he has no part of the world to come right?
Fact is Mankind is the CROWN JEWEL of ALL of GOD's CREATION and there is no Higher ORDER of living things, and No higher Priority given by God, then Mankind, He has made Man to be above all thing in creation (except Him of course).
The whole concept of man being some inferior species created by God, if pure garbage taught by Churches to defame mankind and make themselves appear Pious in the eyes of others. Man is a marvelous creation of God with limitless potential , or have not you read where it say he created man in order to plant the heavens.
We all have a Marvelous future It hasn't even entered the mind of “MAN” the things God has “PLANNED” FOR “HIM”, that loves Him (GOD) and is called according to His purpose. Mankind has far more going for him then against him, not because who man is, but because who God the Father is, and His destined purposes given him from God IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………………………..gene
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,18:15) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 01 2013,22:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,15:15) 2Besee. Your doctrine's survival is by spinning the Word of God
to your patch of cloth.
The scriptures *CAN NOT* be broken.wakeup.
Wakeup, what do you mean, “my doctrine”? It is what most people believe (that are Christian).Jesus was resurrected in the flesh and bone – that is scriptural.
Why would you doubt that?
2Besee.That statement can be proven wrong
by bringing forth other scriptures.
Jesus said: when you are born of the spirit;
You are spirit.NOT flesh.Jesus said to thomas:
Feel me; for a spirit has no flesh and bones.
So it's obvious that Jesus did not appear
as He really is. But appeared in the flesh for
them to see,feel, and touch.I believe that He appeared in the flesh indeed.
But I dont believe that's what He really is made of, after His resurrection. Because of His own words.
Born of the spirit=spirit.
At His coming;He will appear as He is.
Every eye will be opened to see Him as He is.wakeup.
wread this;
Lk 24:39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
Lk 24:40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet.
Lk 24:41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”
Lk 24:42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish,
Lk 24:43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.
Lk 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
Lk 24:45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
Lk 24:46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
Lk 24:47 and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Lk 24:48 You are witnesses of these things.tell me ; how could Christ make sure that the scriptures where true if he did not resurrected the way he was when he died ? this was the prove ;to make his disciples HIS WITNESSES OF ALL THE EVENT AROUND THE TRUE CHRIST ,THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,13:13)
Kerwin.Can you provide scriptures
to support your claim?wakeup.
Wakeup,It sounds like you are questioning the power of God.
Previously I stated:
Quote
God gives the resurrected and the changed the body he desires to give them.1 Corinthians 15:38
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)38 but God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
Quote Whatever condition Jesus was in that was the body God decided to give him Already established as true by 1 Corinthians 15:38.
1 Corinthians 15:35-37
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
I quoted these words to show that the body of a member of those who were dead is not the same as the body that was placed in the burial ground but a new body designed and built by God.
1 Corinthians 15:12-17
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 and if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 and if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
I quoted these words to establish Jesus is a member of those that were dead.
Luke 24:39
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Jesus states he has a flesh and bone body and therefore is not a spirit though you are not convinced by his words but insist he was a spirit that took on a flesh and bone.
Jesus, a member of those that were dead, has a flesh and bone body after he has raised up, a body Paul teaches is a new body that is made as God desires it.
Quote If God chose to erase the mark of his wounds that too is God's decision. Matthew 19:26
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
So was Jesus raised from the dead? Is Paul correct that the dead are raised in a new body? Is that new body flesh and bone as Jesus claimed? Does God design and construct that new body as Paul claims. Does God have the power to heal wounds so that not even a scar remains if he so desires?
So where in Scripture do you find the teaching that spirits can take on flesh and bone?
Wakeup
Quote for a spirit has no flesh and bones. So this statement does not mean that a spirit does not have flesh and bone? What does it mean and why do you believe that?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2013,06:28) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 31 2013,03:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,05:30) So in your thinking, the body Jesus was raised from the dead in – the one with scars and holes – is the new glorified body in which Jesus exists now at the right hand of God?
Mike,Paul teaches us those that are resurrected from the burial place do not have the same body that is planted there……..
So I'm confused now. Do you believe Jesus was raised with a DIFFERENT body, and that his new, glorious, spiritual body ALSO had scars and holes?
Mike,So either Jesus had his mortal body and so had not undergone the final resurrection from the dead or he was had undergone that resurrection and had his new body, designed and made by God.
I believe that Jesus was raised from the dead, which means his body at that time was the resurrected body. I don't believe he had holes in it as I have heard no actual evidence to that effect beyond the translations of heretics of certain vague Koine Greek words. I do believe his body after his resurrection was flesh and bone and not spirit. That post resurrection body is the one that Paul said was not the same as the one he was planted in the burial grounds with. There is evidence it did not look the same, which is one possible reason Thomas made his demands.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2013,12:42) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:33) T, Paul was not speaking of space, he was speaking of inheriting the new earth and the new heaven.
KOnly 144k will be redeemed from the earth,all others will be resurrected on earth,God is the one that pick who's going and where ,not us men,
The new earth is for the resurrected ones that receive everlasting life,
And the new heaven is for those that will come from heaven and rule the earth,
T,I believe the 144000 is symbolism and that the new earth will be the realm of humanity and the new heavens will be the realm of angels. The new earth will be subject to humanity.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,00:55) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2013,12:42) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:33) T, Paul was not speaking of space, he was speaking of inheriting the new earth and the new heaven.
KOnly 144k will be redeemed from the earth,all others will be resurrected on earth,God is the one that pick who's going and where ,not us men,
The new earth is for the resurrected ones that receive everlasting life,
And the new heaven is for those that will come from heaven and rule the earth,
T,I believe the 144000 is symbolism and that the new earth will be the realm of humanity and the new heavens will be the realm of angels. The new earth will be subject to humanity.
KQuote I believe the 144000 is symbolism Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
I DO NOT SEE A SYMBOLISM IN THAT STATEMENT
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.SAME HERE I DO NOT SEE A SYMBOLISM LOOK WHAT PAUL SAYS
1Co 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.(THE TRUE BELIEVERS)
1Co 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.THE 144K ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT GO TO HEAVEN ,NO MORE NO LESS
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 02 2013,02:48) To all…………It apears some think that flesh and blood is inferior in all of Gods creation here. Let get that straightened out first. King David said this and it is repeated in Hebrews, What is man that thou are so mindful of him or the Son of man that so kind to him you have been, you have created him below the Angels, you have crowned him with Glory and Honor, and has put “ALL THINGS” under His (mans) feet, in that you have put “ALL THINGS” under his (mans) foot, there is “NOTHING” that is not under His (mans) feet, “BUT” we do not “YET” see “ALL THINGS” under his (mans) feet, But we see Jesus (a resurrected Man) who was made lower then the Angels (like us) for the tasting of death, “NOW” Crowned with (that) “GLORY and HONOR and “And all things are “NOW” under His feet All Authority in heaven and in the Earth has been placed “UNDER” His Feet. These scriptures plainly show Mans great destiny and potential in the future in the plan of God . If a man was transferred to a Spirit he would no longer even be a Man, so how could this ever apply to him?. He (Jesus) is the “FIRSTBORN” (into the kingdom of God) of “MANY” Brethren resurrected, from among “MANKIND” Jesus used the term SON of MAN 81 times in scriptures, He even said when the So of MAN returns will he find Faith on the earth So Jesus will return as a SON of MAN, Not and angel or Spirit entity of any kind.
Another fact is that God in Scripture Plainly says for He (God) has “NOT” Subjected the world to come unto Angels. So, so much for the Jesus being and angels thing right?. Because if he is or were and Angel, then he has no part of the world to come right?
Fact is Mankind is the CROWN JEWEL of ALL of GOD's CREATION and there is no Higher ORDER of living things, and No higher Priority given by God, then Mankind, He has made Man to be above all thing in creation (except Him of course).
The whole concept of man being some inferior species created by God, if pure garbage taught by Churches to defame mankind and make themselves appear Pious in the eyes of others. Man is a marvelous creation of God with limitless potential , or have not you read where it say he created man in order to plant the heavens.
We all have a Marvelous future It hasn't even entered the mind of “MAN” the things God has “PLANNED” FOR “HIM”, that loves Him (GOD) and is called according to His purpose. Mankind has far more going for him then against him, not because who man is, but because who God the Father is, and His destined purposes given him from God IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………………………..gene
Hebrews 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying,
****What is man****,
that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; (JESUS)
***thou crownedst him with glory and honour***,
and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
(JESUS IS CROWNED,NOT MANKIND).Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him,
***he left nothing that is not put under HIM***.
***But now we see not yet all things put under him***.
(SPEAKING OF JESUS NOT MANKIND).Hebrews 2:9 ***But we see Jesus***,
who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, ***crowned with glory and honour***;that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
(ALL ABOUT JESUS,NOT ABOUT MANKIND).wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,01:40) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,00:55) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2013,12:42) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:33) T, Paul was not speaking of space, he was speaking of inheriting the new earth and the new heaven.
KOnly 144k will be redeemed from the earth,all others will be resurrected on earth,God is the one that pick who's going and where ,not us men,
The new earth is for the resurrected ones that receive everlasting life,
And the new heaven is for those that will come from heaven and rule the earth,
T,I believe the 144000 is symbolism and that the new earth will be the realm of humanity and the new heavens will be the realm of angels. The new earth will be subject to humanity.
KQuote I believe the 144000 is symbolism Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
I DO NOT SEE A SYMBOLISM IN THAT STATEMENT
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.Quote SAME HERE I DO NOT SEE A SYMBOLISM LOOK WHAT PAUL SAYS
1Co 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.(THE TRUE BELIEVERS)
1Co 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.THE 144K ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT GO TO HEAVEN ,NO MORE NO LESS
T,The number 144000 is 12 X 12 X 1000. 12,000 is mentioned a number of times in Scripture. The tribes are incorrect as one has been removed and replaced by another which just happened to be what happened to the 12 apostles.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,09:54) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,01:40) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,00:55) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2013,12:42) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:33) T, Paul was not speaking of space, he was speaking of inheriting the new earth and the new heaven.
KOnly 144k will be redeemed from the earth,all others will be resurrected on earth,God is the one that pick who's going and where ,not us men,
The new earth is for the resurrected ones that receive everlasting life,
And the new heaven is for those that will come from heaven and rule the earth,
T,I believe the 144000 is symbolism and that the new earth will be the realm of humanity and the new heavens will be the realm of angels. The new earth will be subject to humanity.
KQuote I believe the 144000 is symbolism Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
I DO NOT SEE A SYMBOLISM IN THAT STATEMENT
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.Quote SAME HERE I DO NOT SEE A SYMBOLISM LOOK WHAT PAUL SAYS
1Co 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.(THE TRUE BELIEVERS)
1Co 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.THE 144K ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT GO TO HEAVEN ,NO MORE NO LESS
T,The number 144000 is 12 X 12 X 1000. 12,000 is mentioned a number of times in Scripture. The tribes are incorrect as one has been removed and replaced by another which just happened to be what happened to the 12 apostles.
kYOU RIGHT BUT WAS IT NOT THE TRIBE OF EPHRAHIM ONE OF THE SONS OF JOSEPH IF MY MEMORY IS GOOD
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,15:17) T, My memory fails me all too much but what you say sounds right.
Kerwin.The 144000 are the sealed ones.
They are jews ,but spiritual jews
that have gone through Christ.Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they ***which follow the Lamb*** whithersoever he goeth.
These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat **which endureth unto everlasting life**, which the Son of man shall give unto you:
***for him hath God the Father sealed***.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,10:48) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,15:17) T, My memory fails me all too much but what you say sounds right.
Kerwin.The 144000 are the sealed ones.
They are jews ,but spiritual jews
that have gone through Christ.Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they ***which follow the Lamb*** whithersoever he goeth.
These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat **which endureth unto everlasting life**, which the Son of man shall give unto you:
***for him hath God the Father sealed***.wakeup.
WSomewhere in scriptures Jesus says ” if you would believe my father you will believe in me ,because I come from the father “
So all those true believers in the father are already believers in the son ,they saw the son through the prophecy ,God is faithful
T.
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for **that meat** **which endureth unto everlasting life**, which the Son of man shall give unto you:
***for him hath God the Father sealed***.Which of them have the father sealed?
All of them, or only 14400?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,01:15) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 01 2013,22:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,15:15) 2Besee. Your doctrine's survival is by spinning the Word of God
to your patch of cloth.
The scriptures *CAN NOT* be broken.wakeup.
Wakeup, what do you mean, “my doctrine”? It is what most people believe (that are Christian).Jesus was resurrected in the flesh and bone – that is scriptural.
Why would you doubt that?
2Besee.That statement can be proven wrong
by bringing forth other scriptures.
Jesus said: when you are born of the spirit;
You are spirit.NOT flesh.Jesus said to thomas:
Feel me; for a spirit has no flesh and bones.
So it's obvious that Jesus did not appear
as He really is. But appeared in the flesh for
them to see,feel, and touch.I believe that He appeared in the flesh indeed.
But I dont believe that's what He really is made of, after His resurrection. Because of His own words.
Born of the spirit=spirit.
At His coming;He will appear as He is.
Every eye will be opened to see Him as He is.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Okay, so what is He now then, if you know?Quote (2besee @ Nov. 02 2013,20:38) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,01:15) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 01 2013,22:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,15:15) 2Besee. Your doctrine's survival is by spinning the Word of God
to your patch of cloth.
The scriptures *CAN NOT* be broken.wakeup.
Wakeup, what do you mean, “my doctrine”? It is what most people believe (that are Christian).Jesus was resurrected in the flesh and bone – that is scriptural.
Why would you doubt that?
2Besee.That statement can be proven wrong
by bringing forth other scriptures.
Jesus said: when you are born of the spirit;
You are spirit.NOT flesh.Jesus said to thomas:
Feel me; for a spirit has no flesh and bones.
So it's obvious that Jesus did not appear
as He really is. But appeared in the flesh for
them to see,feel, and touch.I believe that He appeared in the flesh indeed.
But I dont believe that's what He really is made of, after His resurrection. Because of His own words.
Born of the spirit=spirit.
At His coming;He will appear as He is.
Every eye will be opened to see Him as He is.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Okay, so what is He now then, if you know?
2Besee.Revelation 19:12 **His eyes were as a flame of fire**, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called **The Word of God**.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,15:10) T. John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for **that meat** **which endureth unto everlasting life**, which the Son of man shall give unto you:
***for him hath God the Father sealed***.Which of them have the father sealed?
All of them, or only 14400?wakeup.
wonly 144k are the “elected ones ” or” sealed ones “
but it is God that pick which ones will be part of the sealed /elect ones
Rev 7:2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God
it is the seal (approval) of God
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,08:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 02 2013,02:48) To all…………It apears some think that flesh and blood is inferior in all of Gods creation here. Let get that straightened out first. King David said this and it is repeated in Hebrews, What is man that thou are so mindful of him or the Son of man that so kind to him you have been, you have created him below the Angels, you have crowned him with Glory and Honor, and has put “ALL THINGS” under His (mans) feet, in that you have put “ALL THINGS” under his (mans) foot, there is “NOTHING” that is not under His (mans) feet, “BUT” we do not “YET” see “ALL THINGS” under his (mans) feet, But we see Jesus (a resurrected Man) who was made lower then the Angels (like us) for the tasting of death, “NOW” Crowned with (that) “GLORY and HONOR and “And all things are “NOW” under His feet All Authority in heaven and in the Earth has been placed “UNDER” His Feet. These scriptures plainly show Mans great destiny and potential in the future in the plan of God . If a man was transferred to a Spirit he would no longer even be a Man, so how could this ever apply to him?. He (Jesus) is the “FIRSTBORN” (into the kingdom of God) of “MANY” Brethren resurrected, from among “MANKIND” Jesus used the term SON of MAN 81 times in scriptures, He even said when the So of MAN returns will he find Faith on the earth So Jesus will return as a SON of MAN, Not and angel or Spirit entity of any kind.
Another fact is that God in Scripture Plainly says for He (God) has “NOT” Subjected the world to come unto Angels. So, so much for the Jesus being and angels thing right?. Because if he is or were and Angel, then he has no part of the world to come right?
Fact is Mankind is the CROWN JEWEL of ALL of GOD's CREATION and there is no Higher ORDER of living things, and No higher Priority given by God, then Mankind, He has made Man to be above all thing in creation (except Him of course).
The whole concept of man being some inferior species created by God, if pure garbage taught by Churches to defame mankind and make themselves appear Pious in the eyes of others. Man is a marvelous creation of God with limitless potential , or have not you read where it say he created man in order to plant the heavens.
We all have a Marvelous future It hasn't even entered the mind of “MAN” the things God has “PLANNED” FOR “HIM”, that loves Him (GOD) and is called according to His purpose. Mankind has far more going for him then against him, not because who man is, but because who God the Father is, and His destined purposes given him from God IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………………………..gene
Hebrews 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying,
****What is man****,
that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; (JESUS)
***thou crownedst him with glory and honour***,
and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
(JESUS IS CROWNED,NOT MANKIND).Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him,
***he left nothing that is not put under HIM***.
***But now we see not yet all things put under him***.
(SPEAKING OF JESUS NOT MANKIND).Hebrews 2:9 ***But we see Jesus***,
who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, ***crowned with glory and honour***;that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
(ALL ABOUT JESUS,NOT ABOUT MANKIND).wakeup.
Wakeup…So say you, but it does it does not say, What is the SON of MAN, you have changed the sentence to meet your false assumptions, it plainly says what is “MAN” That is a plain reference to MANKIND But this is how you false teachers butcher scriptures to make them say what in fact they are not saying.Where it says we do not “YET” See Him, crowned with glory and honor is clearly referencing the whole human race, It was added in the Hebrews text and it is not Just speaking about Jesus even thou Jesus as a Son of Man certainly falls into that category as a Son of Mankind. Another thing you miss is the fact that when Hebrews was written Jesus had already been raised and Glorified, that is why it says ” What do we (now) See, we (now) see Jesus (who was a Man like we are) crowned with that Glory and Honor , that is due all mankind. The author of Hebrews, was holding out to all true Christians their future glory with Jesus and showing God's over all intent for all of mankind.
We are called Joint heirs with Christ Jesus are we not, our destiny is the same as His was and is. But you you mind prevents you from seeing that, because it is filled with all kinds of false concepts about who Jesus really is and was, This is the result of Preexistence and Trinitarian teachings over many years of you life.
This false denigration of Mankind is a work of Satan himself and has infested all Christendom . IMO
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,14:54) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,01:40) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,00:55) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2013,12:42) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:33) T, Paul was not speaking of space, he was speaking of inheriting the new earth and the new heaven.
KOnly 144k will be redeemed from the earth,all others will be resurrected on earth,God is the one that pick who's going and where ,not us men,
The new earth is for the resurrected ones that receive everlasting life,
And the new heaven is for those that will come from heaven and rule the earth,
T,I believe the 144000 is symbolism and that the new earth will be the realm of humanity and the new heavens will be the realm of angels. The new earth will be subject to humanity.
KQuote I believe the 144000 is symbolism Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
I DO NOT SEE A SYMBOLISM IN THAT STATEMENT
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.Quote SAME HERE I DO NOT SEE A SYMBOLISM LOOK WHAT PAUL SAYS
1Co 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.(THE TRUE BELIEVERS)
1Co 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.THE 144K ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT GO TO HEAVEN ,NO MORE NO LESS
T,The number 144000 is 12 X 12 X 1000. 12,000 is mentioned a number of times in Scripture. The tribes are incorrect as one has been removed and replaced by another which just happened to be what happened to the 12 apostles.
Kerwin……..The tribe of Joseph was given a double portion in Israel , Making a total of Thirteen tribes , Levi was separated to serve in Israel as Priest of God and Judges and Doctors etc., and was not given an inheritance like with the rest of the trinbes.In the wilderness Twelve tribes were divided into four quadrants. around the tabernacle of God. Judah (the lion) and two more , were one quadrant, Ephraim (the Ox) and two more were another quadrant, Ruben (the man) and two more were another quadrant, Dan (the eagle) and two more were another quadrant;
The four standards are mention in scriptures where it shows how the tabernacle was arranged in the wilderness, if you care to check it out.
Now Go to revelations and Notice that there are Four Creatures that surround the Throne of God and these Four Creatures have, the face of a man with three sets of wings, (representing three tribes), the face of an OX, with three sets of wings, (representing three tribes), the Head of and Eagle, with three sets of wings, (representing three tribes), the Head of and Lion, with three wings, (representing three tribes).
There are twelve total, these are the twelve thousand of each tribe that will surround the Throne of God mentioned in Revelations. The eyes in those wings represent the Spirits of God, Notice, they are shown as wing with eyes, because the Spirit is what lifts them up above others.
That is where i believe the 144000 of the Tribes of Israel are destined to be. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 03 2013,01:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,08:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 02 2013,02:48) To all…………It apears some think that flesh and blood is inferior in all of Gods creation here. Let get that straightened out first. King David said this and it is repeated in Hebrews, What is man that thou are so mindful of him or the Son of man that so kind to him you have been, you have created him below the Angels, you have crowned him with Glory and Honor, and has put “ALL THINGS” under His (mans) feet, in that you have put “ALL THINGS” under his (mans) foot, there is “NOTHING” that is not under His (mans) feet, “BUT” we do not “YET” see “ALL THINGS” under his (mans) feet, But we see Jesus (a resurrected Man) who was made lower then the Angels (like us) for the tasting of death, “NOW” Crowned with (that) “GLORY and HONOR and “And all things are “NOW” under His feet All Authority in heaven and in the Earth has been placed “UNDER” His Feet. These scriptures plainly show Mans great destiny and potential in the future in the plan of God . If a man was transferred to a Spirit he would no longer even be a Man, so how could this ever apply to him?. He (Jesus) is the “FIRSTBORN” (into the kingdom of God) of “MANY” Brethren resurrected, from among “MANKIND” Jesus used the term SON of MAN 81 times in scriptures, He even said when the So of MAN returns will he find Faith on the earth So Jesus will return as a SON of MAN, Not and angel or Spirit entity of any kind.
Another fact is that God in Scripture Plainly says for He (God) has “NOT” Subjected the world to come unto Angels. So, so much for the Jesus being and angels thing right?. Because if he is or were and Angel, then he has no part of the world to come right?
Fact is Mankind is the CROWN JEWEL of ALL of GOD's CREATION and there is no Higher ORDER of living things, and No higher Priority given by God, then Mankind, He has made Man to be above all thing in creation (except Him of course).
The whole concept of man being some inferior species created by God, if pure garbage taught by Churches to defame mankind and make themselves appear Pious in the eyes of others. Man is a marvelous creation of God with limitless potential , or have not you read where it say he created man in order to plant the heavens.
We all have a Marvelous future It hasn't even entered the mind of “MAN” the things God has “PLANNED” FOR “HIM”, that loves Him (GOD) and is called according to His purpose. Mankind has far more going for him then against him, not because who man is, but because who God the Father is, and His destined purposes given him from God IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………………………..gene
Hebrews 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying,
****What is man****,
that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; (JESUS)
***thou crownedst him with glory and honour***,
and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
(JESUS IS CROWNED,NOT MANKIND).Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him,
***he left nothing that is not put under HIM***.
***But now we see not yet all things put under him***.
(SPEAKING OF JESUS NOT MANKIND).Hebrews 2:9 ***But we see Jesus***,
who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, ***crowned with glory and honour***;that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
(ALL ABOUT JESUS,NOT ABOUT MANKIND).wakeup.
Wakeup…So say you, but it does it does not say, What is the SON of MAN, you have changed the sentence to meet your false assumptions, it plainly says what is “MAN” That is a plain reference to MANKIND But this is how you false teachers butcher scriptures to make them say what in fact they are not saying.Where it says we do not “YET” See Him, crowned with glory and honor is clearly referencing the whole human race, It was added in the Hebrews text and it is not Just speaking about Jesus even thou Jesus as a Son of Man certainly falls into that category as a Son of Mankind. Another thing you miss is the fact that when Hebrews was written Jesus had already been raised and Glorified, that is why it says ” What do we (now) See, we (now) see Jesus (who was a Man like we are) crowned with that Glory and Honor , that is due all mankind. The author of Hebrews, was holding out to all true Christians their future glory with Jesus and showing God's over all intent for all of mankind.
We are called Joint heirs with Christ Jesus are we not, our destiny is the same as His was and is. But you you mind prevents you from seeing that, because it is filled with all kinds of false concepts about who Jesus really is and was, This is the result of Preexistence and Trinitarian teachings over many years of you life.
This false denigration of Mankind is a work of Satan himself and has infested all Christendom . IMO
Gene B.This is what scipture says:
Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him,
***he left nothing that is not put under HIM***.
***But now we see not yet all things put under him***.
(SPEAKING OF JESUS NOT MANKIND).1. All things are not put under mans feet.
Sin and death is not put under mans feet.
2.For in that *He* put all in subjection under *Him*.
*Him* is not mankind.
3 But now we see *NOT YET* all things put under *HIM*
All things will be under Him/Jesus soon;even death itself.If mankind is crowned; then all mankind is allready saved.
No need for preaching.wakeup.
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