What does it mean that Jesus came in the flesh?

[kerwin]

Nick,

Hi KW,

We too will be raised from the dead but clothed for our ascent as we follow him.

You are telling me Jesus was not raised as those of the final resurrection but was instead raised as Lazarus or the boy Elisha raised. That is inconsistent to what what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,

1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4 show the sequence for us.

But you say we will be different to our Master?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,

The sign of Jonah and the words of David quoted by Peter  in Acts 2 had to be fulfilled for Jesus.

But some now living will never die and need to be raised from the dead.

 

[terraricca]

N

I Don, t judge you , your own words do,

You said Jesus is a regular man , what can you expect from a regular man? You tell me , nothing right ?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,

Where did I say that?

 

Do you think he was empowered from above or he always was a superman?

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca……..Jesus is a regular man whom God perfected by his spirit and raised the man Jesus from the grave , just as he shall raise all his saints at the return of the son of man , Jesus the anointed man of God.  If you do not see Jesus as a regular human being who came into existence by his berth on this earth through his mother Mary, then you simply do not see or know him yet, IMO.

 

Peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene

 

[kerwin]

Nick,

Hi KW,

1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4 show the sequence for us.

But you say we will be different to our Master?

I am saying you do not believe that Jesus was resurrected like those that believe will be resurrected when he comes again because you believe he was raised in his mortal body and only changed later and in 1 Corinthians 15:42 we are told those that raise from the dead at the second coming have an incorruptible body. To you therefore Jesus cannot be an example of the final resurrection as it is only if he is one that have raised from the dead with an incorruptible body that he can be an example of others that do so.

Am I being clear or is my point too wordy?

[kerwin]

Nick,

Hi KW,

The sign of Jonah and the words of David quoted by Peter in Acts 2 had to be fulfilled for Jesus.

But some now living will never die and need to be raised from the dead.

Jesus was raised from the dead in an incorruptible body or the third day.
Some of the living will have their body change from mortal to immortal at the time Jesus comes again. Jesus is not an example of those that changed while still alive.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
As you admit some cannot follow him into resurrection from the dead as they will be alive.
So being raised up from the earth is more important

[kerwin]

Nick,

Hi KW,
As you admit some cannot follow him into resurrection from the dead as they will be alive.
So being raised up from the earth is more important

All that are called will meet Jesus in the clouds but I do not see how there is there is any difference between that or either being raised from the dead or changed while still living. All seem just as important as one another. Jesus being raised from the dead is an example that the dead are raised to life in an immortal body.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
A new body
‘All will be changed”
Except Jesus you say?

[kerwin]

Nick,

I believe the body will be changed just as is written about creation in general. It is not composition that is changed but that it is subject to the wages of sin. Have you not heard that the wages of sin is death but the gift of eternal life waits for those that believe in Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:20New English Translation (NET Bible)

20 For the creation was subjected to futility—not willingly but because of God who subjected it—in hope

Flesh and bone were subjected to futility-not willingly but because God who subjected it in hope.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Not new then but just a little different?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
same old same old?
Flesh DOES inherit the kingdom you say?

[kerwin]

Nick,

Not new then but just a little different?

Scripture states creation is new.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
But you disagree?

[kerwin]

Nick,

same old same old?
Flesh DOES inherit the kingdom you say?

1 Corinthians 15:50International Standard Version (ISV)

50 Brothers, this is what I mean: Mortal bodies[a] cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay.
Footnotes:

1 Corinthians 15:50 Lit. mean: Flesh and blood

There is a mortal creation and there is an immortal creation. The mortal creation is not Spiritual as it subject to the wages of sin.

[kerwin]

Nick,

But you disagree?

It is you that disagree as all I did was replace a part of creation for the whole while you are the one that did not view that as a new creation.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Jesus was not in an immortal body when you could put your hand in his side.

[kerwin]

Nick,

Why would you believe Thomas wanted to touch open wounds in order to believe?

Why wouldn’t you believe that Jesus had the power to have wounds in his flesh and them no harm him even if Thomas had made such an absurd request.

If he did have wounds that would be proof that his body was immortal since a the wounds killed his mortal body.

The word wound is not in Thomas’ condition for believing nor is it in Jesus’ request.

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