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Hi Jodi,
The Bread of life (Christ) entered reality at the house of bread (Bethlehem), not at the river Jordan.
I am confused though from what you said about how ” The Bread of life (Christ) entered reality at the house of bread (Bethlehem), not at the river Jordan.”
You then gave this scripture, (2 Cor 5:19)Hi Jodi,
2Cor 5:19 was for: Jordan is when “The Word” became flesh (John 1:14) and dwelt among us (Immanuel – God with us).
Micah 5:2 is for: The Bread of life (Christ) entered reality at the house of bread (Bethlehem), not at the river Jordan.
“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah (the house of bread), though thou be little among the thousands of Judah,
yet out of thee shall he (Christ: the bread of life) come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
whose goings forth (Christ’s Spirit) have been from of old, from everlasting.” (Micah 5:2)The Bread of life (Christ) entered reality at the house of bread (Bethlehem), not at the river Jordan.
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God bless
Ed JEdj
Hebrew 11:3
3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Jesus is called “THE WORD OF GOD” because it is BY HIM GOD SPEAK THE WORDS who created the worlds .
But not all Bible verses mention THE CHANNEL by which God created the worlds, they only mention THE SOURCE
IN 1 Corinthians 8: 6 Paul mentionne the two : THE SOURCE and THE CHANNEL…
But to us there is but one God, the Father, OF WHOM are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ,BY WHOM are all things, and we by him.
OF WHOM…………….BY WHOM
Edj
Hebrew 11:3
3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.Berean,
You didn’t explain what you believe the second part (the highlighted part) of the verse is about
Please this is the third time I asked you about this verse
Edj
I already answered you but you didn’t pay attention
…”so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
were not made “of things which do appear.”
God didn’t need preexisting things to create the worlds
HE TALKED …. AND THING EXISTS
FOR MAN, IT HAS TOOK DUST FROM THE EARTH, BUT IT IS FOR A PEDAGOGICAL PURPOSE …Ed: Does Everyone now agree…
That because Jesus appeared in the flesh,
Jesus therefore cannot be “The Word”!Pretty Simple
Jesus has as one of his titles “The Word of God”, because he is God’s preeminent spokesman. God spoke the world into creation. That kind of spoken word is not to be confused with someone who has “Word” as a TITLE because he speaks someone else’s words to others.
In ancient Abyssinia, the king’s spokesman was called “Kal Hatze” – which means “the word of the king“. Now for some logical thinking…
1. This killer will be executed tomorrow at the word of the King.
2. The Word of the King will mediate between you and the King, for the King does not talk directly to his subjects.
Does anybody think the red refers to a person? Does anybody think the blue refers to actual words the King speaks? But they are the same exact phrase, right?
Pretty simple. The phrase “the word of God” can refer either to words God speaks… OR to His most preeminent spokesperson. In the scriptures, it refers to each at various times.
Hebrews 11:3
Darby Bible Translation
By faith we apprehend that the worlds were framed by [the] word of God,
so that that which is seen should not take its origin from things which appear.Weymouth New Testament
Through faith we understand that the worlds came into being, and still exist, at the command of God,
so that what is seen does not owe its existence to that which is visible.Hi Mike,
Since Jesus appeared in physicality, Hebrews 11:3 appears to be saying that Jesus cannot be “The Word”.
Please do also comment on the last part of Hebrews 11:3, ok Mike?
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God bless
Ed JHebrews 11:3
Darby Bible Translation
By faith we apprehend that the worlds were framed by [the] word of God,
so that that which is seen should not take its origin from things which appear.Weymouth New Testament
Through faith we understand that the worlds came into being, and still exist, at the command of God,
so that what is seen does not owe its existence to that which is visible.Edj
I already answered you but you didn’t pay attention
…”so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
were not made “of things which do appear.”God didn’t need preexisting things to create the worlds
HE TALKED …. AND THING EXISTS
FOR MAN, IT HAS TOOK DUST FROM THE EARTH, BUT IT IS FOR A PEDAGOGICAL PURPOSE …Hi Berean,
Once again the part I want you do address is how Jesus cannot be “The Word” according to the last part of Hebrews 11:3.
Instead you keep talking about the first part
Since Jesus appeared in physicality, Hebrews 11:3 appears to be saying that Jesus cannot be “The Word”.
Do you disagree, if so then explain why.
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God bless
Ed JHi Ed J,
Sorry still not following you by you saying “entered reality”.
to my understanding,
The child Jesus born was the child of prophesy, he was going to be made a king higher than all the kings, he was going to be anointed, and he was going to be called the Son of the Highest.
Matthew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. …6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Ed J, just as it is not reality that when Jesus was born they took him from the manger and sat him up on a throne and made him a king where he then began to rule over Israel, it was not reality that when he was born he was anointed CHRIO made into the CHRISTOS and God sent him to go preach His word.
Bethlehem is also the birthplace of David, and David was anointed and had God’s Spirit upon him.
1 Samuel 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward.
Hi Ed J,
Sorry still not following you by you saying “entered reality”.
Hi Jodi,
That Christ became part of physicality as Micah 5:2 says
Hi Ed J,
We are all sons of God through Adam like Jesus, but also because of Adam we die, as Jesus died.
Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Jesus was the only son begotten by God with the full measure of God’s Spirit, the only mortal man to have been called to righteousness for to be a light. The Spirit is life because of righteousness, and by that Spirit dwelling in Jesus he was obedient unto his death.
Ed J, I BELIEVE in Jesus’s words where he quoted prophecy concerning himself of his ANOINTING and SENDING and the PURPOSE given unto him for that ANOINTING.
God raised him up as he could not be held to the penalty of sin. He raised him up and gave him the Spirit of righteousness, this son of David was begotten by God and became an eternal Son of God, a firstborn of many. We are promised this same glory, to receive this same measure of the Spirit where God causes us to walk in all His ways.
Jodi, right on, but you see they really don’t believe Jesus or what he said, they believe what they have been taught by false christanity, for most of their lives. Sad.
Keep up the good work God has given you to do here, You are truly a breath of fresh air Jodi.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Ed: Hi Mike,
Since Jesus appeared in physicality, Hebrews 11:3 appears to be saying that Jesus cannot be “The Word”.
The visible world was created by non-visible literal words that our God and Creator spoke. That which appears was made by that which doesn’t… ie: God’s literal spoken words.
Jesus isn’t a literal spoken word by God. He is called “The Word of God” because he is a physical living person who is God’s preeminent spokesman. So Jesus as “The Word of God” has nothing to do with Hebrews speaking about how God created by His spoken words. Your theory also falls short when it comes to Rev 19:13… unless you think the VISIBLE rider of the white horse (“The Word of God”) is a literal INVISIBLE word that God speaks. Cheers.
…when it comes to Rev 19:13… unless you think the VISIBLE rider of the white horse (“The Word of God”) is a literal INVISIBLE word that God speaks. Cheers.
Actually Mike, that is what I think.
Words are Spirit, and therefore “The Word” is God’s HolySpirit.
It lines up with all of Scripture that way.
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God bless
Ed JEdj…..Jodi is right, Jesus has given us GOD the Fathers words , delivered to him from the Father. That is why he said this, “the words I am telling you are “not” my words but the words of him who sent me.’. Jesus “himself’ was never the word of GOD, nor is anyone else either. When we alien with God the Fathers words, we become one with him, just as Jesus did, . Exactly the same way, he did.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene, you’re preaching to the choir.
The others think the word incorrectly is Jesus.
Hebrews 11:3 proves that he is Jesus is not “The Word”Gene, you’re preaching to the choir.
The others think the word incorrectly is Jesus.
Hebrews 11:3 proves that he is Jesus is not “The Word”Edj………glad you understand that brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………….gene e
Hebrews 11:3
Darby Bible Translation
By faith we apprehend that the worlds were framed by [the] word of God,
so that that which is seen should not take its origin from things which appear.Weymouth New Testament
Through faith we understand that the worlds came into being, and still exist, at the command of God,
so that what is seen does not owe its existence to that which is visible..Hi Gene,
Its funny how the Scripture itself is even discounted in favor of the zeal of religious tradition!
Its sad really. 😥
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God bless
Ed JJesus isn’t a literal spoken word by God. He is called “The Word of God”…
Jesus isn’t a literal spoken word by God… but yet he is…
…is Mike’s response
WHAT UTTER CONFUSION!
Edj…..Yes, God and his word are one and the same, just as our words and us are one and the same , Jesus plainly said this, “the words I am telling you are ‘NOT” my words, but the words of him that sent me. Had they “truly believed” Jesus, as they say they do, then they would have understood that. Jesus also said the Father told him not only what to say, but how to say it. But they do not believe that either.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
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