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November 10, 2010 at 9:14 pm#224030

Baker

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kerwin!

1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I do know that there are Scriptures that Paul says that Sin is not imputed to us.

Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Rom 4:7 [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Rom 4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.

Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.

Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

In my previous post I gave

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Now if we believe that we are righteous, they way I understand it, is that by grace and not by our righteousness we are saved. We now after Jesus went back to Heaven, we have a Mediator to go to the Throne of God and confess our faults and He forgives us. Jesus is our scarifies, we no longer need another like in the old times they took a Lamb and scarified it for their sins….
Again as time goes by after Baptism when we received Gods Holy Spirit, little b y little I have overcome sin. Does that mean though that I no longer sin? No, however sin that dwells in me is not imputed to me, because I am bought by Christs death, and a gift that God gave us…by Faith……We need to be very careful however that we don't sin intentionally….
kerwin, if you think you don't sin, why do we have a Mediator for?? Also I believe you post is somewhat misleading…. Do I understand that what I am writing here is false??? I have given you Scriptures that tell me what I believe to be the truth….I walk every day under the blood of Christ….
and since sin is not imputed to me, I know that I am save….even though I occasionally sin…….Peace Irene

November 10, 2010 at 11:34 pm#224037

terraricca

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Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 11 2010,12:29)

To all,

God promises those who enter the new covenant through faith and persevere in that faith that they will be righteous as he is righteous. If you are such an individual it no longer cares whether or not you can stop sinning by your own power as God will do it for you in your flesh. The questions therefore is will God do it and can he and the answers are he will because he promised to do so and he can because he can do anything but evil. Therefore do you believe?

God does not change and thus when he states he will forgive those who change their ways and does all he commands it is set in stone. It is also true though that if God makes a promise it as if that promise is already fulfilled and thus those who enter the new covenant through faith are forgiven but if they abandon or loose that faith it is if they never had it.

kerwin

you do not follow scriptures don't you.

Pierre,

Scripture defines the new creation as “like God in true righteousness and holiness”, Ephesians 4:24, and the old one as “corrupted by its deceitful desires”, Ephesians 4:22. I am sure you agree that Jesus is obviously the new and not the old. I would even go so far as to say he is both the prototype and archetype of the new image all will come to conform to, Romans 8:29.

IF CHRIST WAS A NEW CREATION THEN HE WOULD NOT BE HOLY;RIGHT,IF HE IS ALREADY HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS THEN HE DOES NOT BECOME THOSE THINGS BECAUSE HE HAS THEM,AND SO IS NOT A NEW CREATION;SO THIS STATEMENT ONLY APPLY TO THOSE COMING OUT OF THE WORLD,NOT CHRIST.
GOT IT??

Pierre

November 10, 2010 at 11:40 pm#224038

terraricca

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kerwin

HOW COME YOU NEVER ANSWER THE QUESTIONS?? IS YOUR KNOWLEDGE AS A STUDENT REACH THERE YET?

IF YOU ARE A STUDENT YOU SHOULD ASK QUESTIONS NOT PLAY THE POSITION OF TEACHER,

AND IF YOU TEACH YOU HAVE TO ANSWER IN THE PROPER MANER WITH SCRIPTURES,AND CLEAR STATEMENT .

IF THIS YOU KEEP ON I WILL STAY AWAY FROM YOU HAS SCRIPTURES TELLS ME.

Pierre

November 11, 2010 at 1:47 am#224055

kerwin

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Pierre,

Slow down and listen long before speaking and give yourself time to seek understanding. This advice I too often have failed to heed in the past to my regret though God is changing me.

From Ephesians 4:24 I learned The New Self is created and I know that creation is the new creation from other scriptures. I also learned that the definition of this new creation is “like God in true righteousness and holiness.”

From Ephesians 4:22 I learned the definition of The Old Self “is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; “. This self is before and in opposition to the new creation and so is the old creation. A creation I know is in bondage to sin, Romans 6:16-18.

I am sure you agree with me that Jesus fits the first definition which is the new creation and that we are called to conform to his image. So where do you disagree with me?

I am patiently striving to answer your questions.

So you believe only the 144,000 are Jesus’ brothers and thus called to be fully mature in Christ. I have not heard that teaching before. So you believe that the whole book of Colossians is addressed to the members of that esteemed group that are in Colossae at that time for it is written:

Colossians 1:2(NIV) reads:

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To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters in Christ:

November 11, 2010 at 4:41 am#224080

terraricca

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Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 11 2010,03:42)

Pierre,

kerwin
i am a little late to answer this quote but here it is;;
From Ephesians 4:24 I learned The New Self were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;
Eph 4:23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; Eph 4:24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness
The new is created by obeying God in all is ways, and stop of doing the things we use to do went we did not know him, and by obeying to god he will bring us in time to do deeds of righteousness and by always observe Gods way in our hearths we will also reach holiness. SO THE NEW SELF IS AQUIRED BY OBEDIENCE TO GOD AND THE SON, this is the difference in your statement and mine, it is not a given thing but an acquired thing.
From Ephesians 4:22 I learned the definition of The Old Self “is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; “. This self is before and in opposition to the new creation and so is the old creation. A creation I know is in bondage to sin, Romans 6:16-18

Ro 6:18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness
This scripture Ro6;18 declares that by accepting Christ we have received a way to change our pad in live and chose to go and live for God and by choosing Christ we are now changing course and so become free of sin ,ones because of the sacrifice of Christ and ones because we have stop our sinful nature to produce to sins.
And this is going from our old self toward our new self, and in time we will be totally a new creation as to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

Ro 14:12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
1Th 4:7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
I am sure you agree with me that Jesus fits the first definition which is the new creation and that we are called to conform to his image. So where do you disagree with me?
NO I DO NOT AGREE TO YOUR DEFFINITION ,THAT CHRIST IS A NEW CREATION,
CHRIST RESURECTION DOES NOT MAKE HIM A NEW CREATION ACCORDING TO “KERWIN”S BIBLE”;;
HOW COULD CHRIST THE MODEL TO FALLOW BE HIMSELF A NEW CREATION, HE IS WITHOUT SIN,HE IS THE IMAGE OF THE FATHER,HE IS THE SON OF GOD,HE PEEXISTED IS LIVE ON EARTH; John 1:14 NIV
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Philippians 2:6-8 NIV
6Who, being in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the form of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

Heb 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world

Kerwin; why is Paul says that God brings his firstborn into the world;; was this before or after Christ birth??so it seems that Christ was God firstborn before he came to earth.and so his son.

SO IT IS IMPOSIBLE FOR CHRIST TO BE A NEW CREATION;
YOU SAY;; I am patiently striving to answer your questions. I SAY; i WILL NOT ASK YOU NOTHING BESIDE RESPONDING TO WHAT I SAY AND WHY YOU DISAGREE WITH SCRIPTURES,
YOU SAY;;
So you believe only the 144,000 are Jesus’ brothers and thus called to be fully mature in Christ. I have not heard that teaching before. So you believe that the whole book of Colossians is addressed to the members of that esteemed group that are in Colossae at that time for it is written:
THOSE ARE THE SCRIPTURES ;
Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel

Jn 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

Ac 2:39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call

2Co 5:2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling,

Heb 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess.

Ac 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
Ac 10:35 but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.

Ro 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
Ro 8:29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Ro 8:30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified

Ro 11:3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me” ?
Ro 11:4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
Ro 11:5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.

Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
Heb 6:6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace
Paul only talks about those who have the heavenly call.HeB6;4-6

Rev 7:9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Rev 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”

Rev 7:13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”
Rev 7:14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore,
“they are before the throne of God
and serve him day and night in his temple;

there are other scriptures but this should do for now.

Pierre

Heb 2:1 We must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away.

Pierre

November 11, 2010 at 7:14 am#224103

kerwin

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Irene,

I agree that all human beings, except Jesus, have sinned and have many sins counted against them, past tense, and fallen short of the glory of God and to deny this is sinful. None of this opposes God’s promise of forgiveness.

In addition I agree with John that if you or I sin under the new covenant we do not deny it and so deny the faith but confess our sin for God is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us of the desire to fulfill the temptation to sin.

Some think John teaches that all human beings must sin but he makes it clear that is not his teaching by using “if” instead of “when” in 1:9 and 2:1. He makes it even clearer in 3:6, 3:8, and 3:9 with these words:

1 John 3:1-10(NIV) reads:

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See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

I agree that if we persevere in believing God’s promise of righteousness and make Jesus the Lord of our lives that our sins committed before are not and will not be counted against us or imputed to us and we are credited with righteousness as God will do as he promised.

Jesus mediates the promises of God made under the new covenant. I have not the time currently to go into that aspect in detail.

November 11, 2010 at 11:01 am#224125

kerwin

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Pierre,

Romans 1:7(NIV) reads:

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To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

The new creation is a holy creation and its people are holy.

Jesus is a new creation from his conception as he, like Adam, was created though the material used was different. It is different in that Jesus, like Eve, was created from part of a human while Adam was created from the soil. Thus he was created upright with the spirit of righteousness, the first of a new kind of human being. We can merely be adopted into that linage.

The 144,000 are Jews but the number is prophetic and as such not necessary literal. All believers are adopted siblings of Christ.

November 11, 2010 at 2:39 pm#224142

GeneBalthrop

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Kerwin………..What do you do with what Paul said in Rom 7:22-25, He seems to say that sin still exist in our bodies but our minds are different and there is this war that is continuing in Us, if have found this true with myself also. Some times if i sin i feel wretched also and ask GOD to forgive me , but i do still see sin in my members at times. Would like to see you expound Romans 7:22-25 brother. Don't get me wrong here i am not trying to (JUSTIFY SINNING) . I think the older and weaker our bodies become our flesh looses it grip and maybe that is why these bodies must actually die in order fro us to get completely rid of the sin that works (IN them. What is you understanding on this brother.

peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene

November 11, 2010 at 2:40 pm#224143

Baker

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Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 11 2010,17:14)

Irene,

1 John 3:1-10(NIV) reads:

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Jesus mediates the promises of God made under the new covenant. I have not the time currently to go into that aspect in detail.

kerwin! It is not that Humans must sin, it is that in this flesh we will sin. And as far as Jesus is concerned, He did not stop to be our Mediator….I don't believe for a minute that we are so righteous, that we will never sin again…..When it says that sin is not imputed to us, that is what it means. Also Paul is telling us that He does what He does not want to do, and He does not do what He is to do……Then He says O wretches man that I am. The outer man is not righteous. But the inner man is, and that is were God's Holy Spirit dwells…..

Rom 4:7 [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Rom 4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

This does not say that it is only one time, and then what??? We are covered, and therefore if, not must sin we have a Mediator to go the Throne of God and confess our sin. The Mediator Jesus will be there for us until we are resurrected. I also believe that we could be those that stand in front of the Throne of God and worship Him day and night

Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

I for one want to believe this is talking about us….We are washing our self clean in the blood of Christ…..Will we succeed? I sure hope so…… and also Christ has said that God has given us to Him, and He is not going to loose us….

I also believe that we too are very much like Paul