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Hi MB,
The beginning of the new creation was when God anointed His Christ and that anointing was shared with the brothers until now-the Spiritual unity.Now all creation waits eagerly for the revelation of ther sons of God.[rom8]
Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,21:17) what is your question mike??
There are five of them at the bottom of page 5, jammin.I await your answers to each one.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:17) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,21:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,13:51) Ed, from biblos.com: Strong's Concordance
arché: beginning, origin
Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: arché
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')
Short Definition: ruler, beginning
Definition: (a) rule (kingly or magisterial), (b) plur: in a quasi-personal sense, almost: rulers, magistrates, c beginning.
Hi Mike,Go farther down the page to get to Strong's…
(Strong's) Definition: magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Sorry Ed, but I'm done with you for now. I'm too busy to play games.DO YOU ASSERT THAT “BEGINNING” IS NOT A VIABLE DEFINITION OF “ARCHE”? IF NOT, THEN PLEASE……………..
Hi Mike,Let me know when you start with another verse then; OK?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,21:20) Hi MB,
The beginning of the new creation was when God anointed His Christ and that anointing was shared with the brothers until now-the Spiritual unity.Now all creation waits eagerly for the revelation of ther sons of God.[rom8]
Nick,The focus of this thread is whether or not Jesus was created by God. As a sidebar, we will no doubt delve into whether or not Jesus was a co-creator with God – as Colter has already inadvertently started that side-bar.
Now, you and Ed both agree that Jesus was created by God, right?
And neither of you agree that Jesus is God's co-creator of all things, right?
So, what are you doing here? Either support me on these things about which we agree, or talk to someone else for a while.
I'm not doing the “Word was God” discussion here. We are discussing that in at least three other threads already. This thread is for:
Was Jesus Created?
Is Jesus a co-creator with the Father?
mike said:Yes, it WOULD be a member of “death” if in fact death was a real person who had a firstborn son.
where can i read your opinion in job 18.13
13It shall devour the strength of his skin; even the firstborn of death shall devour his strength.
are you ok mike??? or have not you eaten your meal on time?
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,21:24) Hi Mike, Let me know when you start with another verse then; OK?
Ed,ONCE AGAIN, it is the last post on page 5. And me taking the time to write this once again for you because you apparently can't see the long brown colored passage I quoted at the bottom of page 5 is annoying me.
(Hint: The questions are marked with both bullets and numbers, okay?)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:26) Now, you and Ed both agree that Jesus was created by God, right?
Hi Mike,Jesus was born, not created. (see Matt.1:18-20)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,21:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:26) Now, you and Ed both agree that Jesus was created by God, right?
Hi Mike,Jesus was born, not created. (see Matt.1:18-20)
God bless
Ed J
Ed, more mundane crap?Were YOU born? YES or NO?
Are YOU a creation of God? YES or NO?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,22:22) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,21:18) Do you get this, Mike?
Acts 4, Kathi. Bottom of page 5.
Mike,
That question requires a yes or a no. You are avoiding the obvious…just admit it so we never have to discuss it again…one simple acknowledgement Mike…yes or no? If no, then there is no point of moving on because you can't admit something that is black and white.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:31) jammin, Last post on page 5. There are five questions waiting for you.
answer first my question.
before i answer yours.you are making people fool mike.
you logic is wrong about the firstborn etc etc.
study hard mike
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,21:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,22:03) Kathi and jammin, I'm waiting for your 5 answers to the post at the bottom of page 5.
(I've gone back and numbered them after Nick showed me he couldn't count.
Just kidding, Nick)
Mike,
First we need you to get this, that firstborn does not translate as first created and Rev 3:14 does not say 'beginning creation' and therefore cannot be used to prove that He was the beginning creation.Do you get this, Mike?
Kathi,Are you saying that if someone called the first angel God ever created “the firstborn of all creation”, that it COULDN'T POSSIBLY mean that angel was the first angel God ever created?
ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SAYING THAT?
ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT IS A COMPLETE AND ABSOLUTE IMPOSSIBILITY?ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SAYING THAT THE PHRASE “BEGINNING OF THE CREATION BY GOD” CANNOT POSSIBLY REFER TO THE FIRST THING GOD EVER CREATED?
YES, we understand it differently. Me, because I read the words as they are written. You, because you MUST understand plainly written words in an oddball, abstract way to keep your dream of Jesus being from eternity.
Let it go and answer the 5 questions in the last post on page 5 please. Because you will never convince anyone that it CAN'T POSSIBLY mean exactly what millions of people have understood it to mean for thousands of years.
Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,21:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:31) jammin, Last post on page 5. There are five questions waiting for you.
answer first my question.
before i answer yours.
Okay jammin,Unlike David in the other thread, I've grown tired of playing this game with you.
If you cannot address my post on page 5, I understand. After all, you couldn't address it the last time I tried to discuss it with you, and it got to the point I had to report you for harassment.
So if all you have to offer this thread is “answer me first” for the next 100 pages, don't bother, okay?
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2012,21:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,22:03) Kathi and jammin, I'm waiting for your 5 answers to the post at the bottom of page 5.
(I've gone back and numbered them after Nick showed me he couldn't count.
Just kidding, Nick)
Mike,
First we need you to get this, that firstborn does not translate as first created and Rev 3:14 does not say 'beginning creation' and therefore cannot be used to prove that He was the beginning creation.Do you get this, Mike?
k3:14 “To 51 the angel of the church in Laodicea write the following: 52
“This is the solemn pronouncement of 53 the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the originator 54 of God’s creation:
You know jammin,
It's sad for me because I actually started this thread for us. But now I see I've made a grave mistake. You don't want to learn, or even discuss any scriptures. You just want to play childish games.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:40) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,21:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:31) jammin, Last post on page 5. There are five questions waiting for you.
answer first my question.
before i answer yours.
Okay jammin,Unlike David in the other thread, I've grown tired of playing this game with you.
If you cannot address my post on page 5, I understand.
you are the one who plays game.
you are making people fool mikethe firstborn of death does not means that it is also a member of death.
it refers to diseases.that is the meaning of the verse.
study hard mike.
you are really a false teacher mike
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,21:41) Hi MB,
We are looking for truth not casting about for equal possibilities
Nick,You have cast aside truth on your quest to invent your own docrtine, which you told me just “came to you” one night.
But, for the purposes of THIS THREAD, you and I agree that Jesus was created by his God, and that he wasn't a co-creator of all things.
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