Was Jesus Created?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW
You say
“Hebrews 5
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5So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

YES GOD SAID THESE THINGS AT VARIOUS TIMES

Matthew 3
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16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

YES GOD ANNOUNCED HIS SON
Matthew 4
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14That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
15The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
16The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

YES THE LIGHT OF THE SPIRIT WAS IN HIM AND ACTED
Luke 4:18
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18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

YES JESUS ACKNOWLEDGED IT WAS BY HIS ANOINTING THAT HE MUST WORK
2 Peter 1
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17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

YES GOD SPOKE AGAIN ON THE MOUNTAIN ABOUT HIS SON WHO WAS FILLED WITH LIGHT

Matthew 17
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5While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

SAME AS ABOVE
I agree that he was anointed into the priesthood at the Jordon. His new man existed previous to the Jordon as he was already created like God in true righteousness and holiness [REALLY? THE SPIRIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS GIVEN HIM AT THE JORDAN MADE HIM HOLY]. I am not sure what the account of the mount accomplished; but included it because the similarity of God's witness to the ones he used as the Jordon. [NO SUCH ANNOUNCEMENTS PRECEDED THE JORDAN]

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
If he was not a man like us we cannot follow him.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
You say
” His new man existed previous to the Jordon as he was already created like God in true righteousness and holiness.”

Can you justify this statement?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
.Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

.Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

We have to PUT ON CHRIST.
He became the CHRIST by his anointing.
We cannot put on the natural man but we can share the anointing.

We follow him

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2012,02:53)

Hi KW, You say ” His new man existed previous to the Jordon as he was already created like God in true righteousness and holiness.” Can you justify this statement?

Nick,

The new man does not sin even when tempted as is common to man.  Jesus did not sin from conception on even though he was tempted as is common to man.  That means he lived by the new human his whole life.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2012,02:57)

Hi KW, .Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. .Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: We have to PUT ON CHRIST. He became the CHRIST by his anointing. We cannot put on the natural man but we can share the anointing. We follow him

Nick,

When does Scripture state Jesus became King of all things in heaven and on earth?

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2012,08:20)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2012,02:53) Hi KW, You say ” His new man existed previous to the Jordon as he was already created like God in true righteousness and holiness.” Can you justify this statement? Nick, The new man does not sin even when tempted as is common to man.  Jesus did not sin from conception on even though he was tempted as is common to man.  That means he lived by the new human his whole life.

Hi KW,
So he had a head start? No way. We follow him remember.
You diminish his success in obeying the Law.
Logic does not wash

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2012,08:22)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2012,02:57) Hi KW, .Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. .Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: We have to PUT ON CHRIST. He became the CHRIST by his anointing. We cannot put on the natural man but we can share the anointing. We follow him Nick, When does Scripture state Jesus became King of all things in heaven and on earth?

Hi KW,
Jesus is given an earthly kingdom which he eventually hands back to his Father.[Mt 13.41]

All his power and authority is given from God.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2012,03:31)

Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2012,08:22) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2012,02:57) Hi KW, .Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. .Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: We have to PUT ON CHRIST. He became the CHRIST by his anointing. We cannot put on the natural man but we can share the anointing. We follow him Nick, When does Scripture state Jesus became King of all things in heaven and on earth? Hi KW, Jesus is given an earthly kingdom which he eventually hands back to his Father.[Mt 13.41] All his power and authority is given from God. Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Nick,

It is of Mathew 28:18 and Philippians 2:8-11 I was thinking.

Philippians 2
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8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

He was made King after his death though he was appointed a priest at the Jordon and was the Heir to both positions before the world began; which is long before he came to be.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Phil 2 confuses folk because it describes the WORD.
He was shown to be the king of Ps 2 when he rode the donkey.
His kingdom existed from the first time that a man responded to the gospel.

Priesthood surely is prayer service to God and being an intercessor for men.

[mikeboll64]

Were any of the “eternal Jesus” people able to explain why Jesus is listed as someone OTHER THAN the One who created all things, in at least 4 different  passages of scripture?

Were any of them able to deny that if Jesus is not the One who created EVERYthing, then he has no choice but to be one of the EVERYthing created by the One who created EVERYthing?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Do you understand how God creates through His Spirit?[ps 104]

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,03:46)

Quote (jammin @ April 13 2012,00:58) Christ is GOD. he made the earth and his hands made the sky. heb 1.8 O Lord, in the beginning you made the earth,   and your hands made the sky. he is truly GOD and not created Hi Jammin, I don't mean to sound like a 'nitpicker', but “Christ” means God's anointing. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

nick and edj,

Christ is GOd by nature, that's what the bible says.h
e is truly GOD.
he made the earth and the heavens.

Hebrews 1:10

10God also said,

“Lord, in the beginning you laid the foundation of the earth.
With your own hands you made the heavens.

he is GOD by nature.
Philippians 2:6

New International Version (NIV)

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

he was called GOd by the his father.
Hebrews 1:8

New International Version (NIV)

8 But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

that's what the bible says. sorry boys but you need to study hard

[Marlin1]

Hi Nick,

Here is a truth that you may chock on, but it is the truth just the same.
Jesus was a man, just like Adam.  No sin what so ever.

That is what was require to save us.  NO SIN WHAT SO EVER.  NONE in the FLESH or any other SIN.

That is the reason why not a one of us could have did what Jesus did.  God became FLESH and lived among us, to bring us back into fellowship with HIM.

Show me where it says that God came in sinful flesh?  He didn't.
HEB 4:15 † For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
No SIN of any kind.

God Bless
Marlin

[kerwin]

Quote (Marlin1 @ April 13 2012,11:02)

Hi Nick, Here is a truth that you may chock on, but it is the truth just the same. Jesus was a man, just like Adam.  No sin what so ever. That is what was require to save us.  NO SIN WHAT SO EVER.  NONE in the FLESH or any other SIN. That is the reason why not a one of us could have did what Jesus did.  God became FLESH and lived among us, to bring us back into fellowship with HIM. Show me where it says that God came in sinful flesh?  He didn't. HEB 4:15 † For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. No SIN of any kind. God Bless Marlin

Marlin,

Do you believe Jesus was tempted even as we are?

Then tell me why are we tempted.

That is why it is written:

Romans 8:3
King James Version (KJV)

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ April 13 2012,10:32)

Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,03:46) Quote (jammin @ April 13 2012,00:58) Christ is GOD. he made the earth and his hands made the sky. heb 1.8 O Lord, in the beginning you made the earth,   and your hands made the sky. he is truly GOD and not created Hi Jammin, I don't mean to sound like a 'nitpicker', but “Christ” means God's anointing. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org nick and edj, Christ is GOd by nature, that's what the bible says.h e is truly GOD. he made the earth and the heavens. Hebrews 1:10 10God also said,     “Lord, in the beginning you laid the foundation of the earth.      With your own hands you made the heavens. he is GOD by nature. Philippians 2:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,   did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; he was called GOd by the his father. Hebrews 1:8 New International Version (NIV) 8 But about the Son he says,   “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;   a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. that's what the bible says. sorry boys but you need to study hard

Jammin;

You need to look into the various interpretation methods used in the First Century before jumping to conclusions.

[jammin]

kerwin,
that's the first century christians doctrine. they believe that Christ is GOD. Christ have the same nature of the father. paul said that in phil 2.6

and in heb 1.8-10 the bible says that Christ made the earth and the sky.

read your bible well.

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ April 13 2012,14:15)

kerwin, that's the first century christians doctrine. they believe that Christ is GOD. Christ have the same nature of the father. paul said that in phil 2.6 and in heb 1.8-10 the bible says that Christ made the earth and the sky. read your bible well.

Jammin;

Jesus lives by the Spirit of God; so does God; and the believers.  The Spirit is God's nature; for it is Love.

The customs of the First Century people are not ours; nor is their viewpoint.

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2012,16:17)

Quote (Marlin1 @ April 13 2012,11:02) Hi Nick, Here is a truth that you may chock on, but it is the truth just the same. Jesus was a man, just like Adam.  No sin what so ever. That is what was require to save us.  NO SIN WHAT SO EVER.  NONE in the FLESH or any other SIN. That is the reason why not a one of us could have did what Jesus did.  God became FLESH and lived among us, to bring us back into fellowship with HIM. Show me where it says that God came in sinful flesh?  He didn't. HEB 4:15 † For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. No SIN of any kind. God Bless Marlin Marlin, Do you believe Jesus was tempted even as we are? Then tell me why are we tempted. That is why it is written: Romans 8:3 King James Version (KJV) 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Hi M,
Jesus did not sin before he was anointed, by obedience to the Law. He was made like Adam born of woman into the domain of darkness ruled by Satan.

But, despite temptations like ours, instead of following Adam into subservience to SIN IN THE FLESH he overcame it and condemned that dominion because as a freed man the devil had nothing in him.

Then empowered by God he continued that battle setting the prisoners of earth free from disease and destruction and reconciling them to God.

He has left us who are joined to him the same roles to be done in his Spirit.

The work is all of God by His Spirit.

[jammin]

kerwin,
they believe that Christ is GOD. Christ have the same nature of the father. paul said that in phil 2.6

read ur bible well.

therefore, Christ is not created. he became flesh and that flesh body was made by the HS>
that's what the bible says.

case closed.

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