Was Jesus Created?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,23:37)

He has chosen to pour a portion of His Spirit which became the servant Spirit………………… That Spirit of Christ calls His God ABBA FATHER

Okay,

So according to you, the Word WAS God, but then “part of God”(?) became a servant spirit that served the God it used to be?

And somehow, when that spirit merged with a human being, the resulting merger changed that servant spirit that used to be God into God's Son?

Is that right, Nick?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
The Word is of the Spirit of God.
As servant to God in Christ Jesus

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2012,17:11)

Hi MB, The Word is of the Spirit of God. As servant to God in Christ Jesus

N

this seems complicated ,were is this written ,it looks like their are

three parts stick together,????on a multi task journey

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
The Spirit on Moses was given to 70

[mikeboll64]

Quote (toby @ April 04 2012,04:49)

this is not a courthouse that you should make a dismissive statement such as 'No further questions' – in fact that is just plain rude!

It was a joke.

Quote (toby @ April 04 2012,04:49)

You could have just said 'Thanks, that was the thread question and you gave what i believe is your honest reply'.

You post the way you want to, and I'll post the way I want to, okay?

Quote (toby @ April 04 2012,04:49)

I see in another thread where you virtually told me that I could not post because you could not oppose what I was saying to you and that has since been your downfall.

Toby, I debate heatedly with MANY people on this site, and have done so for three years now.  And while I disagree with many of their doctrines, I mostly like them.  You, I do not like.  You are arrogant, love to hear yourself talk and therefore your posts are WAY too long, and you are very abrasive.

You have MANY times accused me of being deceptive, when I haven't been.  And you have MANY times suggested that I've walked away from our discussions because I “could not oppose what you were saying to me”.  But that is a lie, Toby.  The truth is that I find you uninteresting to talk to.  I like discussing SCRIPTURES.  That is why I'm on this site in the first place – to learn and discuss SCRIPTURES.  You and I have been having a heated war in the “Bodies” thread for MONTHS (actually years if we count your other personae).  And in all that time, you have neglected to post one single SCRIPTURE that explains your understanding that angels are bodiless spirits.  What does that mean?  It means that for years I have been fending off lies about me, accusations against me, and very abrasive, stand-offish language just to read questions such as “If Jesus had a body before being made into a human, what did God do with that body?”  It is nonsense in my eyes.  Is there a scripture that suggest God would have had to do anything other with Jesus' body than He did with the rest of Jesus?  NO.  Is this “proof” that Jesus didn't have a body at all?  NO.

It's just pure nonsense, and I don't feel like wasting my time on it.

Quote (toby @ April 04 2012,04:49)

Is that what you are afraid of here, too?

I am as “afraid” of you as I am of Gene's much repeated claims that angels aren't spirits, and there is only one definition of “spirit” in the whole of scripture.

Are YOU “afraid” of Gene's claims, Toby?  If you finally gave up on those points after trying 1000 times to explain his error to him, would it be because “you could not oppose what he was saying to you”?  Or would it be because you just lost interest in the nonsense he kept claiming?  Well, you are to me what those claims by Gene are to you, okay?  (Btw, although Gene irritates the crap out of me at times, I feel that he is genuinely a good, God-fearing man and I like him.  I don't have those feelings about you, Toby.)

Quote (toby @ April 04 2012,04:49)

Mikeboll, when was Jesus 'Created' and in what manner was he 'Created'. I do not say he was not created (I just said he was) but this is your thread so I am asking you as you have not said.

You also believe he was created.  Answer your own question for me.  (This is an example of the nonsense crap you ask.  In what manner did God create His other heavenly sons?  In what manner did God stretch out the heavens?)

Quote (toby @ April 04 2012,04:49)

Was he created as an Angel?

He was created as a spirit being, as were the other heavenly sons of God.

Quote (toby @ April 04 2012,04:49)

Was he everlastingly with God as his Son after he was created?

I'm not sure what that means, but he lived forever with his God until he died.  He was then raised from the dead, and will now live forever with his Father and God.

Quote (toby @ April 04 2012,04:49)

Was he at his Father's right hand when he was created?

Not sure.  Scripture says he had glory ALONGSIDE his God before the world began – but scripture also says he was EXALTED to God's right hand.

Quote (toby @ April 04 2012,04:49)

How was Jesus 'Created' if he was the 'Son of God' (In every way like his Father) – surely that would be that Jesus was procreated?

And how could God make man in His own image without “procreating” them?  (Another nonsense question.  Are you implying that God Almighty would NEED a goddess to produce an offspring for Himself that was like Him in almost every way?  )

Quote (toby @ April 04 2012,04:49)

If Jesus was 'Created' and is exactly like the Father that created him, then What of the Angels? Were they not also 'Created' by their Father – after all, they are 'SONS OF GOD'!

Yes, they are sons of God and they too were created by God.  The difference is that Jesus was the first thing God ever created, and all other things were subsequently created by God but through that first one.  What exactly that means, I couldn't tell you.  For example, God created you through your mother, but didn't create your mother through herself.  Are you different than your mother because of this?  How so?  I.e.:  Are you a different species?  More powerful?  Less powerful?  Smarter?  Etc.  (These are rhetorical, btw.)

Quote (toby @ April 04 2012,04:49)

I will be Pursuing answers to these and many more questions so please answer them as soon as possible and as fully and frankly as possible as I know you are a man who is a stickler for 'Precision' and 'Exactment' and a man who pursues others over many many pages demanding answers to the minutest degree (Touché, Mikeboll, touché)

If you keep smack-talking, I will just ignore you.  If you want to RESPECTABLY talk about things that CAN be answered by SCRIPTURES, then ask away – one question at a time.  But if you want to know things like the manner in which God created the angels, and scriptures don't tell us, then don't bother asking, okay?

Toby, this is the one and ONLY time I will spend this much time addressing this much writing from you, so don't get bent out of shape if your next novel only garnishes a one-liner from me.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,17:11)

Hi MB, The Word is of the Spirit of God. As servant to God in Christ Jesus

So the Spirit OF God used to BE God, but then instead became a SERVANT of God?  And not only that, but also somehow became a SON to the God it used to BE?

Hmmmm…………………..

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2012,17:39)

Hi T, The Spirit on Moses was given to 70

N

the spirit that the 70 receive is the humility of Moses

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,17:39)

Hi T, The Spirit on Moses was given to 70

And did Moses, the 70, and the Spirit all merge together to form 71 sons of God?

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 05 2012,10:54)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,17:11) Hi MB, The Word is of the Spirit of God. As servant to God in Christ Jesus So the Spirit OF God used to BE God, but then instead became a SERVANT of God?  And not only that, but also somehow became a SON to the God it used to BE? Hmmmm…………………..

Hi MB,
Would you not allow God to pour of His Spirit and for that Spirit to become as a servant to Him in men?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Do you not yet know the SPIRIT OF HIS SON?[gal4.6]

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2012,18:52)

Hi MB, Do you not yet know the SPIRIT OF HIS SON?[gal4.6]

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Gal 4:6 Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.”

AND WHAT IS THAT SPIRIT NICK ? YOU KNOW ?OR YOU ONLY KNOW THE WORD SPIRIT ?

understand that their is no room in the heart that is not pure in Gods ways

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2012,06:00)

Quote (jammin @ April 05 2012,01:40) kerwin, edj, no need for explanation. i just want you to give me any single translation that says in john 1.1 that the Word is the HS> i double dare you.. you may start searching LOL Hi Jammin, as per your request… “the Spirit, which is the word of God:” (Eph 6:17) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

is that john 1.1 or eph 6.17??

i said read your opinion in john 1.1

can you give any single translation that says that the word is the HS or not???

if you cant give me one, then plant some trees to help your country .LOL

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,18:51)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 05 2012,10:54) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,17:11) Hi MB, The Word is of the Spirit of God. As servant to God in Christ Jesus So the Spirit OF God used to BE God, but then instead became a SERVANT of God?  And not only that, but also somehow became a SON to the God it used to BE? Hmmmm………………….. Hi MB, Would you not allow God to pour of His Spirit and for that Spirit to become as a servant to Him in men?

So, since you're not denying it, I'll assume the way I've posted it is the way you believe it. Strange brew indeed, Nick.

I'll stick with what the scriptures teach, thanks.

[jammin]

hard-headed edj,

by the way, the greek word in eph 6.17 is rema which means word,message, teaching

17και την περικεφαλαιαν του σωτηριου δεξασθε και την μαχαιραν του πνευματος ο εστιν ρημα θεου

Ephesians 6:17
(CEV)
17Let God's saving power be like a helmet, and for a sword use God's message that comes from the Spirit
Ephesians 6:17

(ERV)
17 Accept God’s salvation as your helmet. And take the sword of the Spirit—that sword is the teaching of God.

study hard boy LOL

[terraricca]

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He has chosen to pour a portion of His Spirit which became the servant Spirit,

is the spirit of God comes in a liquid form sins it is poured ??

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Ask God.
Joel 2

Liquid is of earth

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2012,19:41)

Hi T, Ask God. Joel 2 Liquid is of earth

N

so you mean distribute ,given right

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Read Joel2

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ April 04 2012,11:27)

Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2012,16:09) Quote (jammin @ April 04 2012,07:34) no need for explanation kerwin. that's what the bible says. now give me any single translation that says that the word in john 1.1 is the HS. i double dare you you may now start searching LOL Jammin, I was not explaining any thing.  I was teaching you about the use of []'s and ()'s.  Be careful that Satan does not lure you into arrogance. I believe the Word in John 1:1 is the same Word God created the heavens and the earth by; in which life is. Hi Kerwin, many do not have spiritual eyes to understand this simple truth. “And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said,” (Gen 1:2-3)                                      ……………………………………………………………. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J.,

You are correct that the Spirit moves and God's Word is sent forth.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2012,19:43)

Hi T, Read Joel2

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AC 2:38 Peter said to them, “ Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
AC 10:45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also

this is good enough right yes

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