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Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2012,01:04) Do you see, as you compare the verses in your post that I am quoting here with the above two verses, that Jesus and the Father are both referred to as Lord? Yet for us, we are told, there is one Lord and it is not referring to the Father.
Yes Kathi, I see that. Do you understand it? In 1 Cor 8:6, Paul is listing the hierarchy of the powers in heaven. Yes Jesus is a Lord and so is his own God and Lord. But David and Abraham were Lords as well. So were the ones who owned slaves in Paul's day. And Paul told those slaves to honor and obey their own earthly Lords as they would Jesus.Jesus is also a god, just as his own God is a God. And we know the phrase “one God” isn't any more literal than the phrase “one Lord” in that verse, because Paul starts the sentence by telling us plainly that there are MANY gods and MANY lords – both IN HEAVEN and on earth.
So all this hindges on one fact, Kathi. Is Jesus the Lord OF his Father? Because his Father IS the Lord OF Jesus.
And is Jesus the god OF his Father? Because his Father IS the God OF Jesus.
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2012,01:04) Do you think that there is a chance that the statement that for us there is one God, the Father, could also leave room for Jesus being God?
There is no chance from the words Paul wrote in 1 Cor 8 for him to be equalizing God and the Son of God as “co-Gods” or “co-Creators” – especially in light of what Paul says in 1 Cor 11:3.This comes from man's imaginations, and not from the words Paul actually wrote.
Consider that King David was a Lord who called Jesus “my Lord” in Psalm 110. Wouldn't you agree that, even though they are BOTH Lords, the one who is the Lord OF David is the “higher” Lord of the two? You wouldn't consider David and Jesus to be equals, would you?
Why then would you not use this same God-given common sense in the case of Jesus and his own God and his own Lord?
kerwin,
you did not answer my aswer my question
ill repeat
if i can read to you that the Christ (son of GOD) became flesh and dwelt among us, will you admit that you are a false teacher?
Quote (jammin @ April 01 2012,21:44) kerwin, you did not answer my aswer my question
ill repeat
if i can read to you that the Christ (son of GOD) became flesh and dwelt among us, will you admit that you are a false teacher?
Jammin,I previously wrote this:
God is revealed in those whom are mature in Jesus Christ as their words, actions, and thoughts are his. It is that goal for which the true students of Christ both yearn and strive.
To continue:
God is made human in anyone who is fully mature in Christ. In that way dwells within and among believers. Jesus is the Pioneer(leader) of all believers and there first in whom God was made human. God dwells in Jesus by the Spirit of Christ.
I believe the Spirit of Christ was made human and came to dwell among us. I believe it is still being made human through faith in Jesus Christ and coming to dwell among us.
I believe the Christ is the Spirit of God that has been inherited by Jesus, Son of David. An inheritance he shares with his adopted brothers.
Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,18:33) God is made human in anyone who is fully mature in Christ.
God is not human, Kerwin. Nor is He made human. The goal is that with the help of the Spirit from God, we will become more like HIM. It was never His goal to become more like US.kerwin,
it is very obvious that you cant answer my question
that is so very easy to answer but you keep ignoring my question.
just answer yes or no.
but if you cant answer it, then that is ok with me. LOL
you need to study hard LOL
Hi Jammin,
You say
“if i can read to you that the Christ (son of GOD) became flesh and dwelt among us, will you admit that you are a false teacher?”You cannot do so directly but only making a patchwork quilt of scriptures
Does that make you a false teacher?Quote (jammin @ April 02 2012,13:04) im reading my words
how about you? LOLmake your own version LOL
Hi Jammin,You should be reading God's words instead of your own.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (jammin @ April 02 2012,07:33) kerwin, it is very obvious that you cant answer my question
that is so very easy to answer but you keep ignoring my question.
just answer yes or no.
but if you cant answer it, then that is ok with me. LOL
you need to study hard LOL
Jammin,If you understood what I have written then you would know that the Spirit of Christ becomes flesh and dwells among believers on a constant basis.
The Spirit the Sonship that Jesus inherit; a name that is above every other name.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,06:35) Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,18:33) God is made human in anyone who is fully mature in Christ.
God is not human, Kerwin. Nor is He made human. The goal is that with the help of the Spirit from God, we will become more like HIM. It was never His goal to become more like US.
Mike,If you have seen a believer that is fully mature in Christ then you have seen Yahweh and Jesus for he is like Jesus who taught Philip:
John 14:9
New American Standard Bible (NASB)9 Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
You are correct that God does not become like the believer. It is the believer that becomes like God in true holiness and righteousness.
Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,13:45) Quote (jammin @ April 02 2012,13:04) im reading my words
how about you? LOLmake your own version LOL
Hi Jammin,You should be reading God's words instead of your own.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
a preacher of GOD should teach according to the bible. it should be written. stop dreaming edj LOLif paul said “MY GOSPEL” , does it mean that it is not the gospel of Christ?
LOL
you are a joker edj
Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2012,16:28) Quote (jammin @ April 02 2012,07:33) kerwin, it is very obvious that you cant answer my question
that is so very easy to answer but you keep ignoring my question.
just answer yes or no.
but if you cant answer it, then that is ok with me. LOL
you need to study hard LOL
Jammin,If you understood what I have written then you would know that the Spirit of Christ becomes flesh and dwells among believers on a constant basis.
The Spirit the Sonship that Jesus inherit; a name that is above every other name.
i understand that you are having a hard time answering my questions. better luck next time LOLthe thread has been answered. the meaning of the firstborn of all creation in col 1.15 is superior to all created things. he is not created. paul did not say that. it is just an illusion of mike. LOL
col 1
15 He is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn over all creation.
Footnotes:1. Colossians 1:15 The One who is preeminent over all creation
make your own version mike LOL
Hi Jammin,
He is the firstborn from the dead, the beginning of the creation of God, the firstborn over all creation, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
All things are made new.He has received authority from his Father and he will give authority to his brothers.
He who is the bright morning star will give the morning star to them. All will be of the Spirit of God.
Quote (jammin @ April 03 2012,02:51) 1. Colossians 1:15 The One who is preeminent over all creation
Hi Jammin,YEA!!! …we agree!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTo all.
I'm not sure what else Jammin has been saying but I agree that the rendering of the verse:
“Colossians 1:15 The One who is preeminent over all creation”
is that Jesus is 'First over all that is created by God concerning that which has life which are: (plants, creeping things), Fish, Bird, Animals, Man and Angels'
It certainly does not mean 'First before all other created things' as this would be out of context with the rest of what is being spoken of.
Parallel this with Ephesians 1:20-23 where Paul states the same thing. Notice that the verses do not say 'Put BACK all things under his feet' and that it is only when Christ is seated at God's right hand that he becomes above all other (Created) things.
As a side comment: notice that Ephesians 1:23 states that as Christ is now far above all created thing he 'Fills All Things', he is 'in all things' as God who, being above All Things, is also 'in all things' with Christ.
When Christ hands the kingdom back to God, Christ becomes part of God's kingdom again and God becomes 'All in All' again. Christ becomes 'All in All' WITHIN the kingdom – not Over it.
The 'Filling all things' theme is repeated in Eph 2:10.Test the Spirit – in interpreting Scriptures, find three verses that corroborate each other – this will help to cut down on error prone verses in badly written Bibles.
Quote (jammin @ April 02 2012,09:51) the thread has been answered. the meaning of the firstborn of all creation in col 1.15 is superior to all created things. he is not created. paul did not say that. it is just an illusion of mike. LOL col 1
15 He is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn over all creation.
Footnotes:1. Colossians 1:15 The One who is preeminent over all creation
make your own version mike LOL
Interesting jammin.I've posted at least four other scriptures that distinguish Jesus as someone OTHER THAN the One who created EVERYTHING, yet you made no comment.
But just in case you missed the memo: If Jesus is not the One who created ALL THINGS, then Jesus has no choice but to be one of the things created by that One.
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