Was Jesus Created?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2012,10:57)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 28 2012,09:12) you believe that Christ is god but he is created. what kind of god is that? I believe what the scriptures teach, jammin.  Angels are also called gods in the scriptures, and we know they are created, right?

Hi Mike,

Are you suggesting that they the Scriptures are “created” or they the Angels?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Lightenup]

Mike,
you said:

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I believe what the scriptures teach, jammin. Angels are also called gods in the scriptures, and we know they are created, right? Jesus is a god (mighty one) who is a lesser god than his own Creator (God Most High/God of gods).

The scriptures teach that Jesus is God, not god. The G is always capitalized in reference to Jesus as God, except the NWT. In regards to satan or angels or people, the g is never capitalized. I believe that making the g small as you do, Mike, that is an abomination.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,18:02)

If Acts 4 is not a teaching on creation……………

Kathi,

If a scripture mentions the words, “God created”, even in passing, then it is a teaching on who created.

In the case of Acts 4 (and Acts 17), Jesus is listed as someone other than the One who created EVERYTHING. If Jesus exists, and he is someone other than the One who created everything, then he has no choice but to be part of the everything created by the One do DID create everything.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,18:08)

I believe that making the g small as you do, Mike, that is an abomination.

And I believe placing God's SERVANT on the same plane as the God of all the other gods is an abomination.

Acts 17, Kathi? Any comments?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,18:07)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2012,10:57) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 28 2012,09:12) you believe that Christ is god but he is created. what kind of god is that? I believe what the scriptures teach, jammin.  Angels are also called gods in the scriptures, and we know they are created, right? Hi Mike, Are you suggesting that they the Scriptures are “created” or they the Angels? God bless Ed J

Angels are created, Ed.

Also, as to your last post, let me rephrase my question:

Ed, since God created ALL THINGS, would that include Jesus? YES or NO?

[mikeboll64]

Kathi,

How about we only cap the “G” on any God who doesn't have a God of his own, okay?

[toby]

Mikeboll, you said:

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and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove.

Umm… Is that what Scriptures says? And in any case what does it change? It still says 'Like a Dove'.

Are you saying you believe that the Holy Spirit manifested the body of a Dove? (Ah, I see you are now a Pentecostal )

[mikeboll64]

Quote (toby @ Mar. 28 2012,18:22)

Mikeboll, you said: Quote and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. Umm… Is that what Scriptures says?

Yes. I gave you the scripture. Didn't you bother to check it?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2012,11:18)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,18:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2012,10:57) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 28 2012,09:12) you believe that Christ is god but he is created. what kind of god is that? I believe what the scriptures teach, jammin.  Angels are also called gods in the scriptures, and we know they are created, right? Hi Mike, Are you suggesting that they the Scriptures are “created” or they the Angels? God bless Ed J Angels are created, Ed. Also, as to your last post, let me rephrase my question: Ed, since God created ALL THINGS, would that include Jesus?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

Jesus said: “I came out from God.” (John 16:27)

There's no record of Jesus ever being an Angel.
     Faulty assumption, faulty conclusion.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

I've asked you a very simple “YES” or “NO” question. Are you unable to directly answer it?

[mikeboll64]

Btw Ed,

An “angel” is a spirit messenger of God. Rev 1:1 fulfills all that is required for Jesus to be an angel of God.

But this is off topic.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
And
Jn8.42
“I PROCEEDED FORTH… AND… CAME FROM GOD”

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
So if the revelation of Jesus Christ is communicated by an angel [Rev1.1]
then you feel able to pronounce that he IS an angel??

Does scripture bounce off your mind?

[mikeboll64]

Nick,

Are you unable to understand the words “off topic”? Go address David's MANY fine points in the “Who is Michael?” thread, okay?

Or better yet, address MY points to you in that thread. This is not the thread for the “angel” discussion.

[Lightenup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,19:20)

Kathi, How about we only cap the “G” on any God who doesn't have a God of his own, okay?

Mike,
How about we capitalize the G for the God who is our Lord and Savior, Mike. Then we would be consistent with every Bible translation aside from the NWT.

[mikeboll64]

Acts 17, Kathi?

[Lightenup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,19:14)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,18:02) If Acts 4 is not a teaching on creation…………… Kathi, If a scripture mentions the words, “God created”, even in passing, then it is a teaching on who created. In the case of Acts 4 (and Acts 17), Jesus is listed as someone other than the One who created EVERYTHING.  If Jesus exists, and he is someone other than the One who created everything, then he has no choice but to be part of the everything created by the One do DID create everything.

Mike,
You can't seem to make a distinction between Jesus, according to the flesh, and Jesus who existed before the flesh. That is your problem and why you can't see that Jesus can be both the one who pre-existed and the one who is according to the flesh. Acts 4 is not a teaching about creation. I believe that the one who created everything is made up of the Father and the Son and 1 Cor. 8:6 confirms that.

The same context can distinguish between both, the Jesus as the creator with the Father and the Jesus according to the flesh. If you don't accept Jesus as the creator with the Father then your bias will not let you see.

[Lightenup]

Mike,
What I said above goes for Acts 17 also. Jesus according to the flesh is distinguished from Jesus who preceded the flesh in some passages like Acts 14 and Acts 17.

[mikeboll64]

1Cor 8:6 says no such thing, Kathi.

But, if you can't come up with anything except for your unsubstantiated beliefs to rebut Acts 17, then I'll give jammin a chance before posting the next scripture.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2012,12:19)

Mike, What I said above goes for Acts 17 also. Jesus according to the flesh is distinguished from Jesus who preceded the flesh in some passages like Acts 14 and Acts 17.

Hi Kathi,
Yes and though we may have known him according to the flesh we no longer do so.2Cor 5.16

But some only see and hear flesh

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