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Hi Ed,
The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of anointing, not the spirit of a man.
The spirit of the man Jesus left him at his death on Calvary.
The proof of his spiritual sonship to God was that this dead man was raised to life by the Spirit abiding in him.
Ed,
“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven;
but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God
is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.” (John 6:32-33)I will go with the hypothesis that he is speaking of the one Spirit as it comes from God, who is in heaven.
I do this even though technically he is most likely speaking of the word of God. The evidence supporting this technicality is that the word is associated with bread in the statement “man does not exist by bread alone, but by the very word that comes out of the mouth of God. It is often said the throne of God is in heaven.
The difference between the two interpretations is so little that is is of little account. So despite my disagreement with technicalities I have no difficulties believing the Spirit fills the role as well.
The one Spirit comes from God and God gave it to Jesus Christ which makes then also makes it Jesus’ Spirit because he now possesses it. Jesus in turn gives the same Spirit to his student-adherents and it becomes their Spirit because they also posses it after they receive it. It is just one Spirit they all posses and which as you agree comes from heaven.
At the same time each believer, including Jesus, claims with their faith that the one Spirit is their Spirit they also have a human spirit. Jesus demonstrated this my stating “yet not my will but Thine be done”. In doing so he submitted his human will to God’s and they were in accordance with one another.
Even though there are many human spirits there is but one that truly counts and that is God’s Spirit.
Nick,
The spirit of the man Jesus left him at his death on Calvary.
The breath of life left him at Calvary. It is spiritual in form. I do not know if that is the same as the human spirit though I have my doubts.
I do know that Jesus denied himself by submitting his human spirit to the Spirit of God he received and thus he was united with God in the Saintly Spirit.
Hi KW,
He was led by the Spirit from the anointing at the Jordan.
Eccl 3 and 12 clarify the role of the human spirit.
Lk 23.46
“Father into Thy hands I commit my spirit’
Nick,
You are assuming the word “spirit” has only one definition. That is not the case.
Here is on example of a spirit that leaves and returns at resurrection.
Luke 8:50-55New English Translation (NET Bible)
50 But when Jesus heard this, he told him, “Do not be afraid; just believe, and she will be healed.” 51 Now when he came to the house, Jesus did not let anyone go in with him except Peter, John, and James, and the child’s father and mother. 52 Now they were all wailing and mourning for her, but he said, “Stop your weeping; she is not dead but asleep.” 53 And they began making fun of him, because they knew that she was dead. 54 But Jesus gently took her by the hand and said, “Child, get up.” 55 Her spirit returned, and she got up immediately. Then he told them to give her something to eat.
Here is an example of a spirit which is fruit bearing.
Numbers 14:24New English Translation (NET Bible)
24 Only my servant Caleb, because he had a different spirit and has followed me fully—I will bring him into the land where he had gone, and his descendants will possess it.
They may be the same but I am doubtful.
Nick,
In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus did the rich man still have a spirit that was not aligned with God, even after he died and his soul dwelt in Sheol?
Did he have the breath of life?
EDJ…..THE SPIRIT THAT WAS TO BE IN JESUS, WAS THE SPIRIT OF GOD, and it was and is from eternity, and it came to impregnate MARY IN BETHLEHEM, WHO GAVE BERTH BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, TO A PHYSICAL HUMAN SON OF HIS, THE ONLY HUMAN “BORN INTO EXISTENCE” AS A SON OF GOD, FROM ALL HUMANITY
Hi Gene,
Nice try to make Scripture conform to your current understanding;
but there is only one slight little problem that you missed.
Mary’s conception took place in Galilee, not Bethlehem.And Micah 5:2 still says:
Whose goings have been from everlasting shall come forth out of Bethlehem.…so once it would seem that your understanding falls short of what the Scripture ACTUALLY says.
What do you have to say now, Gene?
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God bless
Ed JEd,
(1)No, it not a false statement to claim your words hint that you put your trust in translators since your claim relied on them being trustworthy. (2)If they are trustworthy then miia’s claim requires being addressed with other words that support there choice to include words that are not written in the original language.
(3)In my experience they are trustworthy as long as their bias or lack of knowledge does not lead them astray and even in many of those cases their language can be interpreted to be true whatever their intent.
Hi Kerwin,
1) Although the words ‘may’ allow for that understanding, I have specified many times
what specifically I believe in that regard, so you should have known I did NOT mean that.
And it’s not at all like your use of the word PERSON to describe God, as person DOES MEAN HUMAN.2) Non sequitur
3) When translators use biased texts (like the Greek Nestle text)
from which to translate from, their translations ARE INSTEAD UNTRUSTWORTHY.________________
God bless
Ed JEd,
One thing I noticed in many translations is that they do not call animal living souls despite that being the literal translation in some verses. I suppose that is because they agree with the false doctrine that animals to not have souls. Animals are soulish creatures and so have souls but they are not spiritual creatures. A teaching that is obscured by the choice of these false translators.
Hi Kerwin,
I believe you missed the point. Animals are sentient, while trees and shrubbery are not.
If you want to delve into this subject deeper, just let me know if you do; OK?
You can start a new topic – but please try to keep this thread on topic._______________
God bless
Ed JHi KW,
The body without the spirit is dead. Jas.
But it is the salvation of the soul that matters. 1 Peter
Nick said:
He was not born anointed is what I meant.
The Angel said:
”for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior who is Christ the Lord”.
It is obvious to anyone that you disagree with the angel’s message, this part of scripture, and who Jesus was when he was born.
That is a fail Nick. I thank you for being honest, but you are honestly wrong. Your statement and teaching here is the polar opposite to what the scripture says.
Let it be known that you are a false teacher with regards to who/what Jesus was when he was born.
Hi T8,
I don’t at all hammer them (Gene and Nick) for saying it is a future fulfillment spoken prophetically.
But they CANNOT make the same claim for Micah 5:2, which is claiming:
Whose goings have been from everlasting shall come forth out of Bethlehem.…instead they need ‘the Jordan by-pass’ – WHICH DOES NOT EXIST and Micah 5:2 does NOT allow for.
Note: “Micah” means “who is like Jah?”
Answer: “the spirit of Christ” which
came from eternity to Bethlehem!_______________
God bless
Ed JEd,
Offhand I can see where you are going partway to the truth and then stopping short of the goal.
Hi Kerwin,
GOOD – but what you are seeing is your own reflection rather than me! (ref. James 1:24 & Psalm 18:25-27)
And I’m instead sitting at the finish-line waiting patiently for your arrival._______________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed!
Yes
Micah speaks of the Spirit of Christ.
The Spirit of anointing which was to be given to Jesus in prophecy.
But Jesus had his human spirit as we do and it was to leave him in death as happens with us.
Hi Nick,
Micah 5:2 is the prophecy which concerns “The “Birth of” “the spirit of Christ”
From eternity to Bethlehem – and the Angel Gabriel gives the announcement of
Christ’s birth AT BETHELEHEM!You can try to futurize the Angel Gabriel’s words,
but the Prophet Micah’s words are most specific: from eternity to BETHLEHEM!________________
God bless
Ed JSpirit of Christ born at Bethlehem (HOUSE OF BREAD)
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven:
if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:
and the bread that I will give is my flesh,
which I will give for the life of the world.” (John 6:51)And Micah means: “Who is like Jah?”
Answer: “the spirit of Christ”
from eternity to BETHLEHEMI rest my case!
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God bless
Ed JED,
I can pull out a dictionary and point out that the word person has many meanings. But then why should waste my time debating with those who already know that person has more than one meaning. Please don’t be dishonest.
Hi Kerwin,
So if I were to use YOUR LOGIC the dictionary proves the trinity.
I can show you how “Person” is defined as God in three persons.
But what you are missing is: words are defined by their usage.God IS NOT A PERSON,
as “person” means human.You are if course free to speak as you wish,
I’m just merely pointing out that the word that
you are choosing: ‘person’ IS WRONG – that’s all._______________
God bless
Ed J
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