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Ed,
I believe the Spirit gives gives different “gifts” at different times. The Spirit gave Jesus the ability to walk according to it when he was still in his Mother’s womb and gave the gifts of preaching the gospel and doing wonders at the Jordon.
I do not agree with Nick that Jesus was anointed king at the Jordon or that he was anointed king before he was born. He was anointed king in the plans of God and existed as the Christ in prophecy.
I know of no passage of Scripture that speaks of when he was anointed though Psalms 23 makes it seem as if it were after he gave his life on the cross. I do know that after his resurrection Jesus tells the Eleven that he was appointed Lord of all things in heaven and on earth and Philippians 2 affirms this.
Scripture is more clear about the titles of Savior and King and when they applied to him in actuality and not just because of him being foreordained to them.
Ed,
When the Spirit landed on Jesus in the form of a dove he already had received the Spirit. That is two instances of the same Spirit and has to do with the fact that it can be present in more than one places at the same time. In this case it is present in Jesus at the same time it is present landing on him in the form of a dove.
That is also how it can be in multiple believers at the same time.
Ed,
Micah 5:2Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
2
But thou, Beth-lehem Ephratah,
though thou be little among the thousands of Judah,
yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.It states “to be” as in future.
The going forth is not directly speaking of the Spirit. It is instead stating that the Christ going forth from Bethlehem has always been God’s plan.
I do not tie Jesus’ receiving the Spirit to his being anointed king.
Jesus was born of a woman in Bethlehem under the Law of Moses. He did not have the Holy Spirit of God until he was anointed for his ministry. He was holy under the law in that he did not sin.
Gal 4:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,Luke 4:
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
What you fellow Arians of mine fail to perceive is that Christ may well have been born in Nazareth which makes the most sense according to the Spirit. The whole Bethlehem idea was added trying to make it more Jewish. Or perhaps according to St John he came from heaven as a fully grown man; which it verily can be interpreted that way in the early part of the gospel.
“Jesus was born of a woman in Bethlehem under the Law of Moses. He did not have the Holy Spirit of God until he was anointed for his ministry. He was holy under the law in that he did not sin.
Gal 4:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,Luke 4:
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wildernes”
Yet John the Baptist was filled with the Spirit from his mothers womb? no wonder that there was none born of women greater than John the Baptist!
Somewhere it says “can anything clean come from a woman?” oh despicable women! So guess what! we need the virgin birth and immaculate conception to make Jesus clean and all is well and right with the world.
Ed.
“Everlasting to Bethlehem”
There is no “to Bethlehem” in Micah 5:2.
There is only “out of” and “goings forth” and they both mean the same thing.
Ed,
Whose goings have been from everlasting shall come forth out of Bethlehem
There is two mentions of Bethlehem in Micah 5:2 though the second one is implied.
Scripture teaches us elsewhere that God planned Jesus’ going forth from Bethlehem before the world began. (Titus 1:2 and 1 Timothy 1:9)
EDJ….The Spirit of the CHRISTO’S OR CHRIST, IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD, THAT JESUS RECIEVED, AT THE JORDAN RIVER, WHEN HE WAS BAPTIZED.
“now if the spirit of him, that raised up Jesus from the dead, dwell in you, he shall also quicken you mortal (dead) body”.
That Spirit is the Spirit of the Living God, not the man JESUS’ SPIRIT. That same spirit is why Jesus is “called” the christ, it is not because Jesus himself is the Christ, OR ANOINTING SPIRIT, OF GOD, it is because he had that ANOINING OR CHRISTO’S, or SPIRIT O GOD, ON HIM. THE word CHRIST was MEANT TO RELAY THAT and meant that JESUS WAS THE ANOINTED ONE OF GOD. NOTHING MORE ANDNOTHING LESS.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
EDJ… The Spirit of the CHRISTO’S OR CHRIST, IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD …
Hi Gene,
NO-where does Scripture say that. And that is why it bothers you when others say that Jesus is God.
Because you are doing the exact same thing they are doing by calling the spirit of the Son… “God”Instead what Scripture says is that “Christ” is the “Son of God”,
So naturally “The spirit of Christ” is “Christ’s Spirit” rather than God’s.
You are of course free to state you’re right, and keep repeating your words over and over._______________
God bless
Ed JEd,
Miia found this one where Paul first addresses the Spirit as the Spirit of God and then as the Spirit of Christ.
Romans 8:9-11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
By itself it is not enough since there could be two Spirits within a believer but this run on sentence from Ephesians 2 specifies there is only one Spirit and describes the mechanics more with more easier to understand language than other places.
Ephesians 2:14-18Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 for through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
There is only one Spirit that a believer is commanded to walk by and that Spirit comes from God through faith in Jesus Christ. It bears God’s name because it comes from his name and Jesus’ name because it comes through faith that he is the Christ.
It may also be called the Spirit of believers but since they are of the least importance it may either be seldom or seldom or not mentioned in Scripture. If it is then it would be about either the unity of the Spirit or about the behavior of a believer being like God’s or perhaps other reasons. It something that bears research.
Ed,
Miia found this one where Paul first addresses the Spirit as the Spirit of God and then as the Spirit of Christ.
Hi Kerwin,
that is two different spirit’s Kerwin:
1. the Spirit of God
2. the Spirit of Christ“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me,
he will keep my words: and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and
make OUR abode with him.” (John 14:23-24)_______________
God bless
Ed JThe word is simply ‘come/ go’ rather than “we will come /go”. “We” seems to be an addition. And “our” is not there.
See here: http://biblehub.com/text/john/14-23.htm for the analysis.
Strong’s Concordanceerchomai: to come, goOriginal Word: ἔρχομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: erchomai
Phonetic Spelling: (er’-khom-ahee)
Short Definition: I come, go
Definition: I come, go.NAS Exhaustive ConcordanceWord Origin
a prim. verb
Definition
to come, go
NASB Translation
arrival (1), arrived (1), brought (1), came (225), come (222), comes (64), coming (87), entered (2), expected (3), fall (2), falls (1), give (1), go (1), going (2), grown (1), lighting (1), next (1), turned (1), went (18).
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