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Hi Ed,
God sees the future as the present because HE will make it happen.
Though Jesus did not exist he was always the prophesied Saviour.
Ed,
I asked for clarification!
Hi Kerwin,
Was Jesus the savior AT THE TIME Simeon seen him as he said he was? “Yes” or “No”
Ed.
You:
Jesus was the savior at the time Simon had seen him, even though Jesus had NOT died on a cross for Simeon’s sins yet – correct? “Yes” or “No” ?
Me:
Do you mean the savior that was promised to come but had not yet saved anyone from their sins?
You:
Was Jesus the savior AT THE TIME Simeon seen him as he said he was? “Yes” or “No”
Me:
I assume you mean “no. he had already saved believers of their sins”.Your answer implies that there was neither a need of the new covenant or for the Comforter to come. Are you want to do that or did I misunderstand your words?
Ed,
My answer is that No, Jesus had not already performed the act that would lead to our salvation. That would come later.
Ed,
Jesus was the savior at the time Simon had seen him, even though Jesus had NOT died on a cross for Simeon’s sins yet – correct? “Yes” or “No” ?
No, Jesus was not the actual savior until he was tested to the point of death by dying on the cross.
Before that he was only foreknown by God to be so; which means it was as good as done already.
Hi ED,
It s the supernatural powers of God that distinguish him from creation.
One of these is foreknowledge and by His shared Spirit His servants have the same abilities.
Why do you struggle with handling the prophetic word?
The angel said that day he was born the savior, messiah, and Lord, even the son of God.
When was he these things? At a minimum when he was born.
It is the anti-anointing that discounts Jesus as the Christ, those under that influence deny the Father and the Son.
This is how we test such people. They will deny he is the Christ even in the face of an angel’s testimony.
Why do some get all upset when we quote the angel’s words? When we voice the same thing in our words they rage against us, even when we quote the angel’s testimony verbatim.
This most certainly should be a serious concern for some as they deny he is the Christ as and when the angel spoke this wonderful truth. Not all believe of course, we know that.
Ed,
My answer is that No, Jesus had not already performed the act that would lead to our salvation. That would come later.
Let’s be fair and put this into a biblical context with this paraphrase kerwin.
No, he was not the Christ.
But look what scripture says about your testimony.
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son.
You have been caught out kerwin, Your words are out in the light and found wanting.
You see kerwin. He was born Jesus and Jesus is and was the Christ.
And is he still hanging on the cross for you? If not, has he stopped being the savior now?
Hi t8,
Nobody is denying that Jesus is the anointed one.
But you have to explain why you believe he was anointed before birth and not at the Jordan.
Misunderstood prophecy will not do.
Hi t8,
you have to explain why you believe he was anointed before birth and not at the Jordan.Hi Nick,
Point #1: You are confusing “the Spirit of Christ” with “God’s HolySpirit”
Point #2: 1Peter 1:11 claims “the Spirit of Christ” was in the Prophets
Point #3: And Micah 5:2 clearly indicates that he came from eternityIt is for these reasons (points #2 & 3) that Simeon said he seen God’s salvation in Luke 2:30
It is for these same reasons (points #2 & 3) that Gabriel said Jesus was born the Messiah in Luke 2:11QUESTION Nick:
Did Simeon see God’s salvation? “Yes” or “No” ?
… please do not attempt to dodge
Ed,
Point #1: You are confusing “the Spirit of Christ” with “God’s HolySpirit”
They are two labels for the same thing used to make two different points. So perhaps the confusion is your part.
Point #2: 1Peter 1:11 claims “the Spirit of Christ” was in the Prophets
Have you tested how his claims agrees with Scripture?
For example when the Pharoah of one age spoke of the prophet Abraham, he said:
Genesis 41:38Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?
Peter later calls it the Spirit of Christ. After all the Spirit that is in God is the same Spirit that is in Jesus Christ.
There is but one Spirit so why am I confused and not you?
Point #3: And Micah 5:2 clearly indicates that he came from eternity
We discussed this and I do not see a purpose to go over it again. The bottom line is that I do not hear what you hear from Micah 5:2.
I am not the one that is not answering direct questions. You are.
I have not dodged anything.
Hi T8, Gene postulated the idea:
Gene – “anyone with common sense knows Jesus was not a lord
or savior untill he actually performed the very act of salvation”I’m in the process of PROVING this logic faulty. A required answer to my latest question,
plus my last question nails this proof down. My last question that I posed to Gene was…According to YOUR LOGIC we can assume God wasn’t God then until
He actually created something to be “GOD” over (post # 815984)
Gene: “GOD WAS ALWAY GOD” (post #816002)What we need is a Category where evidence can be laid out and documented.
That way when people revert back to false claims, a simple link to
the refutation is all that is needed to shut them down.You, under the Admin banner, can re-post the documented refutation. That way
it cannot be cluttered by anyone complaining in the documentation category.It can possibly be called: “False doctrines that are proven false”
And of course you should also provide a link to where the
refutation posts came from, so that anyone can easily
go back to the thread where complete conversation
of the refutation posts were derived from here.That way even though some people may never be convinced of their errors,
“The Truth” can still be nailed down for a permanent record that is easily accessed.What say you?
Ed,
No playing games as my answer was straightforward but included context less you misunderstand.
You sure you are not playing because I have no clue why you did not understand my no followed by an explanation.
Ed I think you actually realize that Jesus was the prophesied Savior and did not become the actual one until he sacrificed himself on the cross. It is well testified in Scripture and a major part of the message of salvation.
Ed I think you actually realize that Jesus was the prophesied Savior and did not become the actual one until he sacrificed himself on the cross.
The rudiments shall melt with fervent heat (2 Peter 3:10)
(please answer the question in my last post)
Ed,
God was not the Creator until he actually created something. He certainly had the potential.
Of course you could go by the premise in Minority Report where people were convicted of murder because they would do it in the future.
God knows the future and he is certain of what will occur. He cannot be fooled like the procogs in the movie were.
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