Was jesus always superior

[terraricca]

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God never seperated with his Word.

this is what i question

then you say;

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He just gave his Word a form.

and when I ask ; when is this happen ? then you say ;

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Proverbs 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

so those first scriptures are true ? :

Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.

and so what Paul says is also true when he talked about Christ the son of God (not the words that God said or may not say )

Col 1:15 He(Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

WE CAN SEE ,AND UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE SCRIPTURES FROM PROVERBS AND COLOSSIAN ARE SAYING THE SAME THING ,EVEN THAT THEY ARE SAID ALMOST A 1000 YEARS APART,

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2013,01:23)

W Quote God never seperated with his Word. this is what i question     then you say; Quote He just gave his Word a form. and when I ask ; when is this happen ? then you say ; Quote Proverbs 8:25   Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: so those first scriptures are true ? : Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. and so what Paul says is also true when he talked about Christ the son of God (not the words that God said or may not say ) Col 1:15 He(Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. WE CAN SEE ,AND UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE SCRIPTURES FROM PROVERBS AND COLOSSIAN ARE SAYING THE SAME THING ,EVEN THAT THEY ARE SAID ALMOST A 1000 YEARS APART,

T.

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and so what Paul says is also true when he talked about Christ the son of God (not the words that God said or may not say

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PAUL WAS SPEAKING OF JESUS THE SON OF GOD,*AFTER* THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH.

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Col 1:15 He(Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

THIS WAS JESUS, *AFTER* HE WAS MADE FLESH.
BORN OF THE FLESH.

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Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

ALL WERE CREATED BY THE *WORD OF GOD*,AND THE SAME WAS MADE FLESH CALLED JESUS.

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Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

1.JESUS WAS NOT THE FIRST MAN BORN ON EARTH.
2.THE WORD OF GOD WAS THE FIRST BROUGHT FORTH.
BEFORE ALL THINGS.
3. ALL THINGS WERE FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that
**the worlds were framed by the word of God**,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

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WE CAN SEE ,AND UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE SCRIPTURES FROM PROVERBS AND COLOSSIAN ARE SAYING THE SAME THING ,EVEN THAT THEY ARE SAID ALMOST A 1000 YEARS APART,

NO;NOT THE SAME:
1.PROVERBS SPEAKS OF THE WORD OF GOD BEFORE HE
WAS MADE FLESH.
2.PAUL(COLOSSIANS) SPEAKS OF JESUS,THE WORD OF
GOD IN THE FLESH,CALLED JESUS.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 06 2013,23:04)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2013,01:23) W Quote God never seperated with his Word. this is what i question     then you say; Quote He just gave his Word a form. and when I ask ; when is this happen ? then you say ; Quote Proverbs 8:25   Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: so those first scriptures are true ? : Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. and so what Paul says is also true when he talked about Christ the son of God (not the words that God said or may not say ) Col 1:15 He(Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. WE CAN SEE ,AND UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE SCRIPTURES FROM PROVERBS AND COLOSSIAN ARE SAYING THE SAME THING ,EVEN THAT THEY ARE SAID ALMOST A 1000 YEARS APART, T. Quote and so what Paul says is also true when he talked about Christ the son of God (not the words that God said or may not say . PAUL WAS SPEAKING OF JESUS THE SON OF GOD,*AFTER* THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH. Quote Col 1:15 He(Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. THIS WAS JESUS, *AFTER* HE WAS MADE FLESH. BORN OF THE FLESH. Quote Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. ALL WERE CREATED BY THE *WORD OF GOD*,AND THE SAME WAS MADE FLESH CALLED JESUS. Quote Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 1.JESUS WAS NOT THE FIRST MAN BORN ON EARTH. 2.THE WORD OF GOD WAS THE FIRST BROUGHT FORTH.    BEFORE ALL THINGS. 3. ALL THINGS WERE FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD. Hebrews 11:3   Through faith we understand that       **the worlds were framed by the word of God**, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Quote WE CAN SEE ,AND UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE SCRIPTURES FROM PROVERBS AND COLOSSIAN ARE SAYING THE SAME THING ,EVEN THAT THEY ARE SAID ALMOST A 1000 YEARS APART, NO;NOT THE SAME: 1.PROVERBS SPEAKS OF THE WORD OF GOD BEFORE HE   WAS MADE FLESH. 2.PAUL(COLOSSIANS) SPEAKS OF JESUS,THE WORD OF   GOD IN THE FLESH,CALLED JESUS. wakeup.

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I will no more comment on this for it is now at the least 5 or ten times we go over this ;

and you are still filling up for what scriptures DO NOT SAY ,

so I leave it with you to decide which one you want to believe YOURSELF OR THE SCRIPTURES AS THEY ARE WRITTEN,

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 06 2013,23:04) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2013,01:23) W Quote God never seperated with his Word. this is what i question     then you say; Quote He just gave his Word a form. and when I ask ; when is this happen ? then you say ; Quote Proverbs 8:25   Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: so those first scriptures are true ? : Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. and so what Paul says is also true when he talked about Christ the son of God (not the words that God said or may not say ) Col 1:15 He(Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. WE CAN SEE ,AND UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE SCRIPTURES FROM PROVERBS AND COLOSSIAN ARE SAYING THE SAME THING ,EVEN THAT THEY ARE SAID ALMOST A 1000 YEARS APART, T. Quote and so what Paul says is also true when he talked about Christ the son of God (not the words that God said or may not say . PAUL WAS SPEAKING OF JESUS THE SON OF GOD,*AFTER* THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH. Quote Col 1:15 He(Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. THIS WAS JESUS, *AFTER* HE WAS MADE FLESH. BORN OF THE FLESH. Quote Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. ALL WERE CREATED BY THE *WORD OF GOD*,AND THE SAME WAS MADE FLESH CALLED JESUS. Quote Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 1.JESUS WAS NOT THE FIRST MAN BORN ON EARTH. 2.THE WORD OF GOD WAS THE FIRST BROUGHT FORTH.    BEFORE ALL THINGS. 3. ALL THINGS WERE FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD. Hebrews 11:3   Through faith we understand that       **the worlds were framed by the word of God**, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Quote WE CAN SEE ,AND UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE SCRIPTURES FROM PROVERBS AND COLOSSIAN ARE SAYING THE SAME THING ,EVEN THAT THEY ARE SAID ALMOST A 1000 YEARS APART, NO;NOT THE SAME: 1.PROVERBS SPEAKS OF THE WORD OF GOD BEFORE HE   WAS MADE FLESH. 2.PAUL(COLOSSIANS) SPEAKS OF JESUS,THE WORD OF   GOD IN THE FLESH,CALLED JESUS. wakeup. w I will no more comment on this for it is now at the least 5 or ten times we go over this ; and you are still filling  up for what scriptures DO NOT SAY , so I leave it with you to decide which one you want to believe YOURSELF OR THE SCRIPTURES AS THEY ARE WRITTEN,

T.

Are you not interested to learn more?
You think you have enough gold already?
Is it getting too heavy?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

w

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T. Are you not interested to learn more? You think you have enough gold already? Is it getting too heavy? wakeup.

you only can get gold from the once that have it ,

I will find gold were there is some trust me ,I know

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 06 2013,03:36)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2013,10:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2013,14:21) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2013,04:01) Answer the question, Wakeup: Did this living being, who is NO LONGER God, USED TO BE God Himself?  YES or NO? Since He is out of God: NO. He is the Word of God. When He was inside God: YES. That was *before* the beginning. So your answer to my YES or NO question is “YES”……… AND…….. “NO”?   Either the Word used to be God Almighty Himself, or he didn't.  Which ONE is it? Mike B. I have explained using an analogy;just yesterday. Can't remember where. wakeup.

Okay. We are having this same discussion in three threads. Let's continue in the “Sodomy” thread, since journey is there also.

[terraricca]

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it is clear that Christ was higher or superior to all other because he was the only begotten son of God all other became through someone else ,Christ the son

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all it is clear that Christ was higher or superior to all other because he was the only begotten son of God all other became through someone else ,Christ the son

T.

1.Where was Christ before creation?
2.Where was Christ before He was born?
3.What was Christ before He was born?
4.Where is Christ now?
5.By what name is He coming back?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2014,18:32)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2014,11:58) all it is clear that Christ was higher or superior to all other because he was the only begotten son of God all other became through someone else ,Christ the son T. 1.Where was Christ before creation? 2.Where was Christ before He was born? 3.What was Christ before He was born? 4.Where is Christ now? 5.By what name is He coming back? wakeup.

w

all those questions you ask have been answered to you by Mike in other topics

so have I ,

we are not here at your personal service ,on and on ,

you have to learn something at the least remember what we tell you ,

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2014,18:32) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2014,11:58) all it is clear that Christ was higher or superior to all other because he was the only begotten son of God all other became through someone else ,Christ the son T. 1.Where was Christ before creation? 2.Where was Christ before He was born? 3.What was Christ before He was born? 4.Where is Christ now? 5.By what name is He coming back? wakeup. w all those questions you ask have been answered to you by Mike in other topics so have I , we are not here at your personal service ,on and on , you have to learn something at the least remember what we tell you ,

T.

Why can't you be honest for a change.
You have no answer to those questions.
I have not asked those questions before.
You are trying to get away by blowing hot air.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,04:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2014,18:32) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2014,11:58) all it is clear that Christ was higher or superior to all other because he was the only begotten son of God all other became through someone else ,Christ the son T. 1.Where was Christ before creation? 2.Where was Christ before He was born? 3.What was Christ before He was born? 4.Where is Christ now? 5.By what name is He coming back? wakeup. w all those questions you ask have been answered to you by Mike in other topics so have I , we are not here at your personal service ,on and on , you have to learn something at the least remember what we tell you , T. Why can't you be honest for a change. You have no answer to those questions. I have not asked those questions before. You are trying to get away by blowing hot air. wakeup.

W

SCRIPTURES OR NO MORE DISCUSSION

[Wakeup]

T.

Shying away from simple questions, as usual.
Why cant you face those questions and be a man.
You dont like to be caught into a corner do you?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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T. Shying away from simple questions, as usual. Why cant you face those questions and be a man. You dont like to be caught into a corner do you? wakeup.

W

I am tired from you questioning me and never answer my question
And you think I am to dum to see it

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,17:46)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 22 2014,10:47) T. Shying away from simple questions, as usual. Why cant you face those questions and be a man. You dont like to be caught into a corner do you? wakeup. W I am tired from you questioning me and never answer my question And you think I am to dum to see it

T.

Well then: Why dont you answer my question?
You are accusing me for what you also are doing.
Not answering questions. Seeing the splinter in someones eye,but can not see the beam in your own eye.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

w

WE CAN SEE ,AND UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE SCRIPTURES FROM PROVERBS AND COLOSSIAN ARE SAYING THE SAME THING ,EVEN THAT THEY ARE SAID ALMOST A 1000 YEARS APART,

your answer;

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NO;NOT THE SAME: 1.PROVERBS SPEAKS OF THE WORD OF GOD BEFORE HE WAS MADE FLESH. 2.PAUL(COLOSSIANS) SPEAKS OF JESUS,THE WORD OF GOD IN THE FLESH,CALLED JESUS. wakeup.

look you #2 answer ,now see this ;Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether

all what that scriptures talks about takes place before creation

[Wakeup]

T.

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all what that scriptures talks about takes place before creation

Colossians 1:18 1).***And he is the head of the body***,
2) ***the church***:
3) ***who is the beginning,
4) ***the firstborn from the dead***;
***that in all things he might have the preeminence***.

1. The head of the body. The body is the church
2.The church: (Proof). There was no church in the beginning.
3.The beginning of the resurrection.
4. The first born from the dead.(resurrection).

So there is proof that you are wrong using scriptures.
Not just my opinion.
Now your turn.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2014,04:27)

T. Quote all what that scriptures talks about takes place before creation Colossians 1:18 1).***And he is the head of the body***,                         2) ***the church***:                         3) ***who is the beginning,                         4) ***the firstborn from the dead***;         ***that in all things he might have the preeminence***. 1. The head of the body. The body is the church 2.The church: (Proof). There was no church in the beginning. 3.The beginning of the resurrection. 4. The first born from the dead.(resurrection). So there is proof that you are wrong using scriptures. Not just my opinion. Now your turn. wakeup.

W

DO NOT CHANGE CONVERSATION ; I AM TALKING ABOUT YOUR STATEMENT #2 IN THE PREVIOUS QUOTE

AND SHOWED YOU COL;1;15-16 THEN YOU JUMP TO A DIFFERENT SUBJECT WHY

LETS SOLVE THIS ONE FIRST THEN WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT ONE OK

[Wakeup]

T.

It says there. col.1:18.
It's still about Jesus; not the Word.
It does not mention the Word.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2014,04:58)

T. It says there. col.1:18. It's still about Jesus; not the Word. It does not mention the Word. wakeup.

W

i KNOW YOU ARE NOT A HONEST PERSON ,THE LETTER TO THE

COLOSSIAN IS ABOUT JESUS CHRIST AND JOHN GOSPEL CHAP 1 IS ABOUT THE WORD” THAT HE IDENTIFY HAS BEING JESUS CHRIST ,

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2014,04:58) T. It says there. col.1:18. It's still about Jesus; not the Word. It does not mention the Word. wakeup. W i KNOW YOU ARE NOT A HONEST PERSON ,THE LETTER TO THE COLOSSIAN IS ABOUT JESUS CHRIST  AND JOHN GOSPEL CHAP 1 IS ABOUT THE WORD” THAT HE IDENTIFY HAS BEING JESUS CHRIST ,

T.

Yes, but the Word was long, long before Jesus was born,
and He was not a creature.

Jesus was made a creature(man).
He died like any creature(man).
He was the *first resurrected* creature(man).
The first born from the dead.Not of all living.
All creatures in Christ will follow, in the resurrection.
Do you understand?

wakeup.

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