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Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him.
Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:55) Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him. Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.
Mike B.What a statement you have made?
Comparing the CREATOR to HIS creatures.
WHOM CAN MAN COMPARE GOD TO?
It's like comparing man to a mosquito.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2013,03:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:55) Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him. Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.
Mike B.What a statement you have made?
Comparing the CREATOR to HIS creatures.
WHOM CAN MAN COMPARE GOD TO?
It's like comparing man to a mosquito.wakeup.
wwhat make you so jealous that you have to say lies
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2013,10:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2013,03:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:55) Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him. Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.
Mike B.What a statement you have made?
Comparing the CREATOR to HIS creatures.
WHOM CAN MAN COMPARE GOD TO?
It's like comparing man to a mosquito.wakeup.
wwhat make you so jealous that you have to say lies
T.Are you comparing God to his creatures?
What if someone compares you to a virus?wakeup
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,14:19) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2013,10:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2013,03:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:55) Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him. Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.
Mike B.What a statement you have made?
Comparing the CREATOR to HIS creatures.
WHOM CAN MAN COMPARE GOD TO?
It's like comparing man to a mosquito.wakeup.
wwhat make you so jealous that you have to say lies
T.Are you comparing God to his creatures?
What if someone compares you to a virus?wakeup
wChrist his not God almighty the father Jehovah,
Christ his a god because being the first creation of the father ,and Mike never said anything other than that ,so you are mix up ,
Christ his “the word” that was in the beginning with God the father ,and that he is a god the only offspring of the father ,
all other came through him. Col;1;15-21 John 1;1-14
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,15:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:55) Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him. Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.
Mike B.What a statement you have made?
Comparing the CREATOR to HIS creatures.
When did I do that? Jesus didn't create anything. But he has always been superior to the angels that God created through him.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,11:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,15:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:55) Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him. Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.
Mike B.What a statement you have made?
Comparing the CREATOR to HIS creatures.
When did I do that? Jesus didn't create anything. But he has always been superior to the angels that God created through him.
Mike B.You seem to be going backward instead of forward.
WITHOUT HIM/WORD WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.
And you say he did not create anything?wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 20 2013,02:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,14:19) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2013,10:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2013,03:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:55) Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him. Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.
Mike B.What a statement you have made?
Comparing the CREATOR to HIS creatures.
WHOM CAN MAN COMPARE GOD TO?
It's like comparing man to a mosquito.wakeup.
wwhat make you so jealous that you have to say lies
T.Are you comparing God to his creatures?
What if someone compares you to a virus?wakeup
wChrist his not God almighty the father Jehovah,
Christ his a god because being the first creation of the father ,and Mike never said anything other than that ,so you are mix up ,
Christ his “the word” that was in the beginning with God the father ,and that he is a god the only offspring of the father ,
all other came through him. Col;1;15-21 John 1;1-14
T.Christ is a god yousay?
Do we have God the father, and another god named Jesus?Please clarify your statement.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,11:36) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 20 2013,02:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,14:19) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2013,10:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2013,03:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:55) Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him. Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.
Mike B.What a statement you have made?
Comparing the CREATOR to HIS creatures.
WHOM CAN MAN COMPARE GOD TO?
It's like comparing man to a mosquito.wakeup.
wwhat make you so jealous that you have to say lies
T.Are you comparing God to his creatures?
What if someone compares you to a virus?wakeup
wChrist his not God almighty the father Jehovah,
Christ his a god because being the first creation of the father ,and Mike never said anything other than that ,so you are mix up ,
Christ his “the word” that was in the beginning with God the father ,and that he is a god the only offspring of the father ,
all other came through him. Col;1;15-21 John 1;1-14
T.Christ is a god yousay?
Do we have God the father, and another god named Jesus?Please clarify your statement.
wakeup.
WJehovah God is the creator and so he is The Almighty one above all the mighty ones in heaven and on earth, his called THE WORD of GOD and Jesus Christ ,and the son of man ,and the son of God ,HE IS A MIGHTY ONE IN ALL CREATION BUT NOT ABOVE HIS FATHER !JUST BELLOW!
God = mighty one ,or someone powerful
Got it
Christ is God the father right harm.Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 20 2013,17:41) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,11:36) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 20 2013,02:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,14:19) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2013,10:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2013,03:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:55) Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him. Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.
Mike B.What a statement you have made?
Comparing the CREATOR to HIS creatures.
WHOM CAN MAN COMPARE GOD TO?
It's like comparing man to a mosquito.wakeup.
wwhat make you so jealous that you have to say lies
T.Are you comparing God to his creatures?
What if someone compares you to a virus?wakeup
wChrist his not God almighty the father Jehovah,
Christ his a god because being the first creation of the father ,and Mike never said anything other than that ,so you are mix up ,
Christ his “the word” that was in the beginning with God the father ,and that he is a god the only offspring of the father ,
all other came through him. Col;1;15-21 John 1;1-14
T.Christ is a god yousay?
Do we have God the father, and another god named Jesus?Please clarify your statement.
wakeup.
WJehovah God is the creator and so he is The Almighty one above all the mighty ones in heaven and on earth, his called THE WORD of GOD and Jesus Christ ,and the son of man ,and the son of God ,HE IS A MIGHTY ONE IN ALL CREATION BUT NOT ABOVE HIS FATHER !JUST BELLOW!
God = mighty one ,or someone powerful
Got it
Christ is God the father right harm.
T.That is not what you said.
You said there is A GOD beside God.1.The Father.
2.A god.That makes it two gods.
(beside me there is no God).Truth:
(beside me there is no saviour).Truth:wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,13:42) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 20 2013,17:41) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,11:36) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 20 2013,02:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,14:19) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2013,10:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2013,03:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:55) Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him. Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.
Mike B.What a statement you have made?
Comparing the CREATOR to HIS creatures.
WHOM CAN MAN COMPARE GOD TO?
It's like comparing man to a mosquito.wakeup.
wwhat make you so jealous that you have to say lies
T.Are you comparing God to his creatures?
What if someone compares you to a virus?wakeup
wChrist his not God almighty the father Jehovah,
Christ his a god because being the first creation of the father ,and Mike never said anything other than that ,so you are mix up ,
Christ his “the word” that was in the beginning with God the father ,and that he is a god the only offspring of the father ,
all other came through him. Col;1;15-21 John 1;1-14
T.Christ is a god yousay?
Do we have God the father, and another god named Jesus?Please clarify your statement.
wakeup.
WJehovah God is the creator and so he is The Almighty one above all the mighty ones in heaven and on earth, his called THE WORD of GOD and Jesus Christ ,and the son of man ,and the son of God ,HE IS A MIGHTY ONE IN ALL CREATION BUT NOT ABOVE HIS FATHER !JUST BELLOW!
God = mighty one ,or someone powerful
Got it
Christ is God the father right harm.
T.That is not what you said.
You said there is A GOD beside God.1.The Father.
2.A god.That makes it two gods.
(beside me there is no God).Truth:
(beside me there is no saviour).Truth:wakeup.
WYes that is what I have said all a long and so is Mike,but you do not read our quotes ,not even the scriptures we show you,
It is the word god that confuses you ,and I have explain many times to you and Kerwin,and Gene ,and Charles,and others,
Read it this way: in the beginning there was Jesus and Jesus was with God ,and Jesus was a lower god,over all of creation after him ,for God his father was God over him,
So understand that their his only ONE almighty GOD Jehovah not two,
Jesus is not equal to his father because he is created ,and no creation can be equal to his creator ,simple mathematicGot it
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,23:32) Mike B. You seem to be going backward instead of forward.
WITHOUT HIM/WORD WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.
And you say he did not create anything?
He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another. – TertullianPay attention, Wakeup……….
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.Do you understand that all things came FROM God, and THROUGH Jesus? That is not the same as saying all things came FROM Jesus, is it?
The only thing Jesus is ever said to have “created” in the scriptures is when he “made” a whip out of cords in John 2:15.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,01:42) You said there is A GOD beside God. 1.The Father.
2.A god.That makes it two gods.
Actually, there are MANY gods – not just two. Angels, demons, Satan, and Jesus are all gods, Wakeup.They are all called by the same Hebrew word “el” that Jehovah is called by. Now YOU imagine that those other “el” are “kind of gods”, or “so-called gods”, or “false gods”, or whatever. But the Hebrew scriptures make no such distinction. They are simply called “el” – just like Jehovah is called “el”.
Isn't it hard for you to believe that Jehovah is the MOST HIGH God if there don't exist any LESS HIGH gods?
Isn't it hard to believe that Jehovah is the God OF gods if there don't exist any other gods for Him to be the God OF?
In the Hebrew text, the phrase “God of gods” is “elohim of elohim”. There are no distinguishing factors that tell us that Jehovah is the REAL god of SO-CALLED gods – like you imagine. It just says “god of gods”. So why on earth would you imagine that the first word “god” refers to a REAL god, and the second word “god” doesn't?
That stuff is all in your head, and has probably been grandfathered into your head ever since you were a boy learning about the Bible. But unfortunately for you, none of that stuff is actually TAUGHT in any scripture.
When you read about God assembling with other gods and passing judgment against them in Psalm 82, YOUR MIND starts telling you that a REAL god is assembling with SO-CALLED gods who aren't really gods at all.
But again, that is only in your mind, Wakeup. According to the actual Hebrew text, one god assembled with a bunch of other gods. There is no distinction in the Hebrew to tell us that only one of those gods is REAL.
Wakeup, it is really time for you to WAKE UP. You can go on believing the lies of men of old – or you can start believing the scriptures AS THEY WERE WRITTEN. The choice will always be yours.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,01:42) (beside me there is no God).Truth:
(beside me there is no saviour).Truth:
Okay, let's discuss the second truthful claim.Was the flesh and blood human being who died on a tree our savior? YES.
Does that mean that God Almighty Himself was that flesh and blood human being who died on a tree? YES or NO?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2013,09:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,01:42) You said there is A GOD beside God. 1.The Father.
2.A god.That makes it two gods.
Actually, there are MANY gods – not just two. Angels, demons, Satan, and Jesus are all gods, Wakeup.They are all called by the same Hebrew word “el” that Jehovah is called by. Now YOU imagine that those other “el” are “kind of gods”, or “so-called gods”, or “false gods”, or whatever. But the Hebrew scriptures make no such distinction. They are simply called “el” – just like Jehovah is called “el”.
Isn't it hard for you to believe that Jehovah is the MOST HIGH God if there don't exist any LESS HIGH gods?
Isn't it hard to believe that Jehovah is the God OF gods if there don't exist any other gods for Him to be the God OF?
In the Hebrew text, the phrase “God of gods” is “elohim of elohim”. There are no distinguishing factors that tell us that Jehovah is the REAL god of SO-CALLED gods – like you imagine. It just says “god of gods”. So why on earth would you imagine that the first word “god” refers to a REAL god, and the second word “god” doesn't?
That stuff is all in your head, and has probably been grandfathered into your head ever since you were a boy learning about the Bible. But unfortunately for you, none of that stuff is actually TAUGHT in any scripture.
When you read about God assembling with other gods and passing judgment against them in Psalm 82, YOUR MIND starts telling you that a REAL god is assembling with SO-CALLED gods who aren't really gods at all.
But again, that is only in your mind, Wakeup. According to the actual Hebrew text, one god assembled with a bunch of other gods. There is no distinction in the Hebrew to tell us that only one of those gods is REAL.
Wakeup, it is really time for you to WAKE UP. You can go on believing the lies of men of old – or you can start believing the scriptures AS THEY WERE WRITTEN. The choice will always be yours.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,01:42) (beside me there is no God).Truth:
(beside me there is no saviour).Truth:
Okay, let's discuss the second truthful claim.Was the flesh and blood human being who died on a tree our savior? YES.
Does that mean that God Almighty Himself was that flesh and blood human being who died on a tree? YES or NO?
MikeB.Quote Okay, let's discuss the second truthful claim. Was the flesh and blood human being who died on a tree our savior? YES.
Does that mean that God Almighty Himself was that flesh and blood human being who died on a tree? YES or NO?
YES; HE IS OUR SAVIOUR,AND HE HAPPENS TO BE THE WORD OF GOD.
THAT COME OUT OF GOD.
GOD AND HIS WORD IS ONE GOD,AND THERE IS NONE ELSE.
I PROCEEDED OUT OF THE FATHER:
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.
I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER.wakeup.
W
Quote YES; HE IS OUR SAVIOUR,AND HE HAPPENS TO BE THE WORD OF GOD.
THAT COME OUT OF GOD.
GOD AND HIS WORD IS ONE GOD,AND THERE IS NONE ELSE.
I PROCEEDED OUT OF THE FATHER:
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.
I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER.1) WHAT PART OF cHRIST IS THE SAVIOR
2) WHICH BEING DID NOT COME OUT OF THE FATHER
3) WHICH ONE OF THE TRUE BELIEVERS ARE NOT ONE WITH THE FATHER
4)WHAT DOES IT MEAN ” I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER ” I MEAN THE “I” CAME ……
I WONDER IF YOU DO UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 22 2013,04:04) W Quote YES; HE IS OUR SAVIOUR,AND HE HAPPENS TO BE THE WORD OF GOD.
THAT COME OUT OF GOD.
GOD AND HIS WORD IS ONE GOD,AND THERE IS NONE ELSE.
I PROCEEDED OUT OF THE FATHER:
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.
I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER.1) WHAT PART OF cHRIST IS THE SAVIOR
2) WHICH BEING DID NOT COME OUT OF THE FATHER
3) WHICH ONE OF THE TRUE BELIEVERS ARE NOT ONE WITH THE FATHER
4)WHAT DOES IT MEAN ” I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER ” I MEAN THE “I” CAME ……
I WONDER IF YOU DO UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES
T.YOU ASK DUM QUESTIONS MOST OF THE TIME:
Quote
1) WHAT PART OF cHRIST IS THE SAVIOR
2) WHICH BEING DID NOT COME OUT OF THE FATHER
3) WHICH ONE OF THE TRUE BELIEVERS ARE NOT ONE WITH THE FATHER
4)WHAT DOES IT MEAN ” I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER ” I MEAN THE “I” CAME ……John 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that
***I came out from God***.John 16:28 ***I came forth*** from the Father***,
and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that
***I came out from thee***,
and they have believed that thou didst send me.You work it out who He is.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:48) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) ]Was the flesh and blood human being who died on a tree our savior? YES. Does that mean that God Almighty Himself was that flesh and blood human being who died on a tree? YES or NO?
YES; HE IS OUR SAVIOUR,AND HE HAPPENS TO BE THE WORD OF GOD.
THAT COME OUT OF GOD.
GOD AND HIS WORD IS ONE GOD,AND THERE IS NONE ELSE.
So then, in your mind, God Almighty Himself was killed on a tree by puny human beings – and then raised Himself from the dead, and exalted Himself to the right hand of Himself in heaven?Are you sure that makes sense to you?
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 21 2013,11:04) W Quote YES; HE IS OUR SAVIOUR,AND HE HAPPENS TO BE THE WORD OF GOD.
THAT COME OUT OF GOD.
GOD AND HIS WORD IS ONE GOD,AND THERE IS NONE ELSE.
I PROCEEDED OUT OF THE FATHER:
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.
I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER.1) WHAT PART OF cHRIST IS THE SAVIOR
2) WHICH BEING DID NOT COME OUT OF THE FATHER
3) WHICH ONE OF THE TRUE BELIEVERS ARE NOT ONE WITH THE FATHER
4)WHAT DOES IT MEAN ” I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER ” I MEAN THE “I” CAME ……
Those are all very good and very fair questions, Pierre. Good job.Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,16:15) You work it out who He is.
Well, according to you Wakeup, “he” is God Almighty Himself.According to you, God Almighty Himself said, “I came out from God”, right? Because you believe the Word who said those words actually IS God Almighty Himself, right?
You're only one step away from being a Trinitarian, Wakeup. You already believe God's Son is actually God Himself, right? Now you just need to add in a “Holy Spirit God” – and you'll be one of them.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,04:15) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 22 2013,04:04) W Quote YES; HE IS OUR SAVIOUR,AND HE HAPPENS TO BE THE WORD OF GOD.
THAT COME OUT OF GOD.
GOD AND HIS WORD IS ONE GOD,AND THERE IS NONE ELSE.
I PROCEEDED OUT OF THE FATHER:
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.
I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER.1) WHAT PART OF cHRIST IS THE SAVIOR
2) WHICH BEING DID NOT COME OUT OF THE FATHER
3) WHICH ONE OF THE TRUE BELIEVERS ARE NOT ONE WITH THE FATHER
4)WHAT DOES IT MEAN ” I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER ” I MEAN THE “I” CAME ……
I WONDER IF YOU DO UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES
T.YOU ASK DUM QUESTIONS MOST OF THE TIME:
Quote
1) WHAT PART OF cHRIST IS THE SAVIOR
2) WHICH BEING DID NOT COME OUT OF THE FATHER
3) WHICH ONE OF THE TRUE BELIEVERS ARE NOT ONE WITH THE FATHER
4)WHAT DOES IT MEAN ” I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER ” I MEAN THE “I” CAME ……John 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that
***I came out from God***.John 16:28 ***I came forth*** from the Father***,
and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that
***I came out from thee***,
and they have believed that thou didst send me.You work it out who He is.
wakeup.
wQuote T. YOU ASK DUM QUESTIONS MOST OF THE TIME:
how dumb do you have to be FOR NOT ABLE TO ANSWERING THEM
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