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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,00:21) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,18:32) Wakeup, Human being come before God quite commonly because even in the AV of the KJB it is written that the Israelites under Joshua presented themselves before God, Joshua 24:1.
Games. Nothing but games.
Mike,You do not have a better answer than this one?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,00:24) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,23:07) T, Yes, after all it was Israelites that Jesus called the children of the Devil even though God said they were to be his children instead.
Pierre and Kerwin,It was also those stubborn, stiff-necked rebels who Jehovah Himself called “children of God”.
Don't forget that part. Being “stubborn” does not mean you cease to be a “child of God”.
But our hope is to be a “child of God” in a much better way than we already are.
Mike,Jesus called them the children of the devil though he loved them as God loves. Jesus spoke of there current situation.
Jehovah called him his children even though they were wayward. God spoke of his hope.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2014,00:32) Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2014,18:12) Wakeup, Did God lie to Adam when he told him that in the day he ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good evil that he would die?
Kerwin.Why would that be a lie.
If you understand it correctly.Adam had severed the bodage with his God through disobedience.
He is spiritually dead,taken by the devil that same day.
Then 930 yrs later his body seased to function.This is his physical death.There are many spiritually dead today,but still functioning,
untill the physical death comes upon them.
Many lived just a very short life.wakeup.
Wakeup,That is pretty much how I understand it.
Do you believe Adam would have died even if he didn't eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,12:43) More context would be the best choice but with the limited choices available just saying messengers mated with humans would have got the message through more clearly.
But you understand from context (namely: Satan) that the “sons of God” in Job 1 and 2 were angels.Why then would you NOT understand from context (namely: the “sons of God” are DISTINGUISHED FROM the “daughters of man”) that the “sons of God” in Gen 6 were also angels?
Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,12:53) Mike, Quote What SCRIPTURE teaches you that Cain's offspring were “sired by man”, while Seth's offspring were “sired by the word of God”? Cain was cursed from the ground while Seth was not.
Genesis 4:12
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)12 when thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
Cain was hid from God's face while Set was not.
Genesis 4:14
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
In short God disowned Cain but not Seth.
Nothing in those verses say Cain's offspring were “sired by man”, while Seth's were “sired by the word of God”.Nothing there says Cain's offspring are no longer “sons of God”.
Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,12:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,00:21) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,18:32) Wakeup, Human being come before God quite commonly because even in the AV of the KJB it is written that the Israelites under Joshua presented themselves before God, Joshua 24:1.
Games. Nothing but games.
Mike,You do not have a better answer than this one?
It is games because Wakeup was trying to explain to you that the “sons of God” in Job 1 and 2 were ANGELS.And since that is something you also believe, posting that Joshua scripture was a matter of “arguing for the sake of arguing” – in other words, “playing games”.
Why post that scripture to offer a shred of doubt – when you and Wakeup both believe the same thing about Job 1 and 2?
Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,13:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,00:24) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,23:07) T, Yes, after all it was Israelites that Jesus called the children of the Devil even though God said they were to be his children instead.
Pierre and Kerwin,It was also those stubborn, stiff-necked rebels who Jehovah Himself called “children of God”.
Don't forget that part. Being “stubborn” does not mean you cease to be a “child of God”.
But our hope is to be a “child of God” in a much better way than we already are.
Mike,Jehovah called him his children even though they were wayward. God spoke of his hope.
God spoke of what was – right then and there. They were indeed still His children – even in their rebellious state.Hi,
The trees of life in rev 22.2f produce fruit once a month.
Does this mean Adam needed to sup monthly and one that fruit does not make for permanent life?Good question, Nick.
In my personal OPINION, I believe once is enough for all time.
I think the the fruits are in season year round in New Jerusalem because certain members of the nations who are healed with the leaves are constantly being invited into the city.
In other words, there will a constant stream of people eating their one portion of the fruit. If one is accepted in January, they won't have to wait until the August crop comes in to eat of the fruit.
This is just from my own imagination.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2014,01:31) Hi,
The trees of life in rev 22.2f produce fruit once a month.
Does this mean Adam needed to sup monthly and one that fruit does not make for permanent life?
NGE 3:22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—
WHERE DOES IT SAY THE IT PRODUCE FRUIT EVERY MONTH
WHAT IS WRITTEN IN REVELATION IS TO COME ,SO IT WAS NOT LIKE IT IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN ,
Pierre,
Do you have reason to think the tree in New Jerusalem is a different tree than the one that was in the Garden of Eden?
Do you have reason to think it will fruit once a month in New Jerusalem, but didn't fruit once a month in the Garden of Eden?
I don't know the answers. I'm just asking………..
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,05:41) Pierre, Do you have reason to think the tree in New Jerusalem is a different tree than the one that was in the Garden of Eden?
Do you have reason to think it will fruit once a month in New Jerusalem, but didn't fruit once a month in the Garden of Eden?
I don't know the answers. I'm just asking………..
hi MikeGe 1:11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
Ge 1:12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.Ge 1:29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food
Ge 2:5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground,
Ge 2:6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground—Ge 2:8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
Ge 2:9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.HOW FARE APART FROM EACH OTHER WHERE THOSE TWO TREES SCRIPTURES DO NOT SAY ;BUT BOTH WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GARDEN IT DOES NOT SAY THE SIZE OF THE GARDEN EITHER ,I AM SURE IT WAS GIG ENOUGH FOR A FEW PEOPLE ,OR FAMILIES
Ge 1:14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,THIS ABOVE VERSE SHOWS THE RULES THAT WILL GOVERN ALL VEGETATION ON EARTH
Ge 2:15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
Ge 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
Ge 2:17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”scriptures do not say that the two trees he planted in eden where different than the other trees except for their location ,
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GARDEN ;ATTENTION IS MADE ONLY TO ONE TREE NOT THE OTHER ;WE COULD THINK THAT THE KNOWLEDGE FOR EATING OF THE TREE OF LIFE WAS NOT NEEDED FOR ADAM AND EVE DID NOT HAVE A DEATH SENTENCE ON THEIR HEAD ,IT CAME TO MY MIND THAT THAT TREE COULD HAVE BEEN PLACED THERE BY GOD FOR OTHER REASONS ,LIKE ASSUMING ADAM AND EVE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CORRUPTED AND LIVE FOR CENTURIES AND HAD MANY CHILDREN AND IF ACCIDENTS WOULD OCCUR THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF LIFE WOULD /COULD CURE THEM OR BRING THEM BACK TO LIFE,
BUT SINCE THEIR ACTIONS WERE VOLUNTARY REBELLIOUS THEY HAVE TO BE STOPPED FROM TAKING FROM THE TREE OF LIFE, THAT COULD /SEEM TO BE ABLE TO HEAL EVEN SIN ,
SINS VERSE 16 SAYS THAT THEY COULD EAT FROM ANY TREE IN THE GARDEN EXCEPT ONE ,SO IT SHOWS THAT ONLY ONE WAS IMPORTANT UNTIL THE RULES WERE BROKEN THEN IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT IT CANNOT BE ,TO EAT FROM THE TREE OF LIFE ,BECAUSE THE WORD OF GOD AS TO BE FULFILLED ;AND SO DEATH STARTED TO ROOT IT SELF INTO ADAM AND EVE AND ALL THEIR OFFSPRING FROM THERE ON,
NOW REVELATION;
Rev 22:1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
Rev 22:2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
Rev 22:4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.IT IS NO LONGER THE SEASONS THAT BRING ABOUT THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF LIFE BUT THE WATER THAT FLOWS OUT OF THE THRONE OF GOD AND THE LAMB ,AND THIS TIME IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A CITY (NOT A GARDEN)AND SO NO SEASONS ARE REQUIRED
THE RULES HAVE ALSO CHANGED IN A WAY ;
Rev 21:23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
Rev 21:24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
Rev 21:25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there.
Rev 21:26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.
Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.WAS I OF ANY HELP TO YOU MY FRIEND
I appreciate all the effort you put into it, but NO.
There are some things we're just not told the specifics of.
The point is that Nick was just pondering a question – and asking for our thoughts.
Did the tree of life in the Garden of Eden fruit once a month ? If so, would Adam have had to eat from it every month to remain living forever? Will those in New Jerusalem have to eat from it monthly to stay living?
There is no answer in scripture for these questions. I believe he was just wondering what we PERSONALLY thought about it.
hi Mike
the tree i geneses is a normal tree produce fruits according to the seasons just as God made it ,there is nothing that would say otherwise ,so the answer is NO
in revelation the tree of life are no longer in a garden but in the city of God and is from there distributed (meaning that it is God that will give life to anyone deserving it according to his rules 😉
and there it says specifically that the tree will produce fruits every month ,(could be that there will be a monthly feast to go to the city and be fed with the fruits of live coming from God )
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,01:26) Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,12:53) Mike, Quote What SCRIPTURE teaches you that Cain's offspring were “sired by man”, while Seth's offspring were “sired by the word of God”? Cain was cursed from the ground while Seth was not.
Genesis 4:12
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)12 when thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
Cain was hid from God's face while Set was not.
Genesis 4:14
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
In short God disowned Cain but not Seth.
Nothing in those verses say Cain's offspring were “sired by man”, while Seth's were “sired by the word of God”.Nothing there says Cain's offspring are no longer “sons of God”.
Mike,So according to you Cain who was hid from God's face was still a son of God?
To me that is denial.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,01:29) Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,12:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,00:21) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,18:32) Wakeup, Human being come before God quite commonly because even in the AV of the KJB it is written that the Israelites under Joshua presented themselves before God, Joshua 24:1.
Games. Nothing but games.
Mike,You do not have a better answer than this one?
It is games because Wakeup was trying to explain to you that the “sons of God” in Job 1 and 2 were ANGELS.And since that is something you also believe, posting that Joshua scripture was a matter of “arguing for the sake of arguing” – in other words, “playing games”.
Why post that scripture to offer a shred of doubt – when you and Wakeup both believe the same thing about Job 1 and 2?
Mike,I did not deny they were. It is Wakeup that jumped to the conclusion that I did.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,01:24) Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,12:43) More context would be the best choice but with the limited choices available just saying messengers mated with humans would have got the message through more clearly.
But you understand from context (namely: Satan) that the “sons of God” in Job 1 and 2 were angels.Why then would you NOT understand from context (namely: the “sons of God” are DISTINGUISHED FROM the “daughters of man”) that the “sons of God” in Gen 6 were also angels?
Mike,The sons of God are distinguished from men even when they are human. The sons and daughters are to tell the genders involved.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 13 2014,10:42) I appreciate all the effort you put into it, but NO. There are some things we're just not told the specifics of.
The point is that Nick was just pondering a question – and asking for our thoughts.
Did the tree of life in the Garden of Eden fruit once a month ? If so, would Adam have had to eat from it every month to remain living forever? Will those in New Jerusalem have to eat from it monthly to stay living?
There is no answer in scripture for these questions. I believe he was just wondering what we PERSONALLY thought about it.
MikeB.How many times did Adam an Eve have to eat of the fruit
to break the law?wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,01:31) Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,13:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,00:24) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,23:07) T, Yes, after all it was Israelites that Jesus called the children of the Devil even though God said they were to be his children instead.
Pierre and Kerwin,It was also those stubborn, stiff-necked rebels who Jehovah Himself called “children of God”.
Don't forget that part. Being “stubborn” does not mean you cease to be a “child of God”.
But our hope is to be a “child of God” in a much better way than we already are.
Mike,Jehovah called him his children even though they were wayward. God spoke of his hope.
God spoke of what was – right then and there. They were indeed still His children – even in their rebellious state.
Mike,Are you saying Jesus was lying when he called the wayward Jews the children of the devil?
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