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Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,20:25) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2014,12:25) Before God created Adam;He already knew that he must die.
God could not have the idea that flesh should live forever.
For He is the Lord of Spirits. Not flesh.First there was darkness;and then light.
Light has nothing in common with darkness.
First there was the flesh; and then spirit.
spirit has nothing in common with flesh.Jesus had nothing in common with satan.
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a *natural body*; it is raised *a spiritual body*. There is a natural body, *and there is a spiritual body*.
wakeup.
wQuote Before God created Adam;He already knew that he must die. is this not evil
and your scripture does not support that ;but it seems that what it says is for a few to receive (144k)
T,I am assuming that WU did not mean “must” but instead spoke poorly as God is all knowing. Even knowing which path Adam would choose God gave him both path so that Adam could choose.
Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,02:53) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,20:25) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2014,12:25) Before God created Adam;He already knew that he must die.
God could not have the idea that flesh should live forever.
For He is the Lord of Spirits. Not flesh.First there was darkness;and then light.
Light has nothing in common with darkness.
First there was the flesh; and then spirit.
spirit has nothing in common with flesh.Jesus had nothing in common with satan.
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a *natural body*; it is raised *a spiritual body*. There is a natural body, *and there is a spiritual body*.
wakeup.
wQuote Before God created Adam;He already knew that he must die. is this not evil
and your scripture does not support that ;but it seems that what it says is for a few to receive (144k)
T,I am assuming that WU did not mean “must” but instead spoke poorly as God is all knowing. Even knowing which path Adam would choose God gave him both path so that Adam could choose.
Kthis is not true God does not do those things ,tell me what is the sin of Adam did to God
if you know tell meQuote (terraricca @ June 20 2014,05:35) Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,02:53) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,20:25) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2014,12:25) Before God created Adam;He already knew that he must die.
God could not have the idea that flesh should live forever.
For He is the Lord of Spirits. Not flesh.First there was darkness;and then light.
Light has nothing in common with darkness.
First there was the flesh; and then spirit.
spirit has nothing in common with flesh.Jesus had nothing in common with satan.
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a *natural body*; it is raised *a spiritual body*. There is a natural body, *and there is a spiritual body*.
wakeup.
wQuote Before God created Adam;He already knew that he must die. is this not evil
and your scripture does not support that ;but it seems that what it says is for a few to receive (144k)
T,I am assuming that WU did not mean “must” but instead spoke poorly as God is all knowing. Even knowing which path Adam would choose God gave him both path so that Adam could choose.
Kthis is not true God does not do those things ,tell me what is the sin of Adam did to God
if you know tell me
T,God does test hearts and is all knowing.
Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,07:55) Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2014,05:35) Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,02:53) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,20:25) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2014,12:25) Before God created Adam;He already knew that he must die.
God could not have the idea that flesh should live forever.
For He is the Lord of Spirits. Not flesh.First there was darkness;and then light.
Light has nothing in common with darkness.
First there was the flesh; and then spirit.
spirit has nothing in common with flesh.Jesus had nothing in common with satan.
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a *natural body*; it is raised *a spiritual body*. There is a natural body, *and there is a spiritual body*.
wakeup.
wQuote Before God created Adam;He already knew that he must die. is this not evil
and your scripture does not support that ;but it seems that what it says is for a few to receive (144k)
T,I am assuming that WU did not mean “must” but instead spoke poorly as God is all knowing. Even knowing which path Adam would choose God gave him both path so that Adam could choose.
Kthis is not true God does not do those things ,tell me what is the sin of Adam did to God
if you know tell me
T,God does test hearts and is all knowing.
Kyes God test our hearts ,but he does it by not intervening in the day to day of our lives ,
pay attention to the story of David and Bathsheba ,
God is beside us ,but we have to implant and train our selves so that when the test comes we do not fail it ,
God can break you or save you ;he does not need to know all ,but he control all things ,there is a bit of difference in this ;
the way i understand it is that God know what he is doing so in that way he know it all ,but as for the wickedness he does not know all ,but sins he has the control and power he can stop anything he want to ,
remember the story about to ,JER 32:35 “They built the high places of Baal that are in the valley of Ben-hinnom to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech which I had not commanded them nor had it entered My mind that they should do this abomination
so when it comes to the truth God knows it all ,but he does not know evil
T,
Quote God can break you or save you ;he does not need to know all ,but he control all things ,there is a bit of difference in this ; Whether God needs to know all things or not he knows all things.
God is almighty so he acts on his knowledge to either allow things to occur, even though he does not want them to occur, or to actively cause them to occur whichever he knows is loving. I do not believe we call that control today as he chooses not to control the actions he finds unacceptable but instead allows them to be even though it grieves him greatly.
Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,01:38) T, Quote God can break you or save you ;he does not need to know all ,but he control all things ,there is a bit of difference in this ; Whether God needs to know all things or not he knows all things.
God is almighty so he acts on his knowledge to either allow things to occur, even though he does not want them to occur, or to actively cause them to occur whichever he knows is loving. I do not believe we call that control today as he chooses not to control the actions he finds unacceptable but instead allows them to be even though it grieves him greatly.
Kif you going to deny the scriptures we may stop this conversation ,because it would lose all it meaning ;
God does not need to know all things ;he sees all things do you understand the difference???
T,
Do you believe Scripture teaches us God is all knowing?
Do you believe Scripture teaches us God is all powerful?
Do you believe Scripture teaches us not one bird dies but that God allows it to?
None of these beliefs are non=scriptural.
If you don not believe them or how they apply to other situations then it is you that believe that which is scriptural.
Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,06:42) T, Do you believe Scripture teaches us God is all knowing?
Do you believe Scripture teaches us God is all powerful?
Do you believe Scripture teaches us not one bird dies but that God allows it to?
None of these beliefs are non=scriptural.
If you don not believe them or how they apply to other situations then it is you that believe that which is scriptural.
KQuote
1) Do you believe Scripture teaches us God is all knowing?2) Do you believe Scripture teaches us God is all powerful?
3) Do you believe Scripture teaches us not one bird dies but that God allows it to?
1) scriptures teach that God the creator ,create all things their fore he knows all things ;and that their is no place within that creation that anyone can hide from him .
2) I do not know where the term “all powerful ” is mention in scriptures .but what I know from scriptures is that it is God that created all things and so at the least his power should be more than his creation,as I can see the universes
his powers are phenomenal to say the least ,beyond the phantom of our imagination,
;but God as no interest in the wicked only in the righteous .
3) LET SEE;
Lk 12:4 “I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more.
Lk 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
Lk 12:6 Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies ? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God.
Lk 12:7 Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
Lk 12:8 “I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God.Lk 21:16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death.
Lk 21:17 All men will hate you because of me.
Lk 21:18 But not a hair of your head will perish.
Lk 21:19 By standing firm you will gain life.Mt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mt 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny ? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.
Mt 10:30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Mt 10:31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
Mt 10:32 “Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven.TELL ME KERWIN WHAT IS JESUS REAL MESSAGE IN THOSE SCRIPTURES
T,
There is more than one lesson but in my opinion the essential lesson is God's plan will prevail no matter what mistakes and sins I commit for God only allows those things to occur that will in someways either further his plan to save all that can be saved or at least not harm it.
Our body can be killed but God is the one that determines if our body and soul lives eternally or not and out body will be replaced if do what is righteous.
Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,08:49) T, There is more than one lesson but in my opinion the essential lesson is God's plan will prevail no matter what mistakes and sins I commit for God only allows those things to occur that will in someways either further his plan to save all that can be saved or at least not harm it.
Our body can be killed but God is the one that determines if our body and soul lives eternally or not and out body will be replaced if do what is righteous.
KQuote Our body can be killed but God is the one that determines if our body and soul lives eternally or not and out body will be replaced if do what is righteous. this is correct ,and the birds as nothing to do with except as an image or a understanding truth ,right
Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,08:50) T, It is a lesson in faith.
Kyes ,but not only of faith but also of trust in God
Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,11:29) Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,08:49) T, There is more than one lesson but in my opinion the essential lesson is God's plan will prevail no matter what mistakes and sins I commit for God only allows those things to occur that will in someways either further his plan to save all that can be saved or at least not harm it.
Our body can be killed but God is the one that determines if our body and soul lives eternally or not and out body will be replaced if do what is righteous.
KQuote Our body can be killed but God is the one that determines if our body and soul lives eternally or not and out body will be replaced if do what is righteous. this is correct ,and the birds as nothing to do with except as an image or a understanding truth ,right
T,Yes, the birds symbolize the least of his creation, and the remark about them teaches us both how much God cares about even the least of his creations and God's power to act on his love for each and every one of his creations.
God does not want one bird to die but because sin is in the world he allows it. Even then he picks the day and hour they will fall from the sky.
Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,11:30) Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,08:50) T, It is a lesson in faith.
Kyes ,but not only of faith but also of trust in God
T,I do not think you can have faith without trust because a lack of trust is doubt.
Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,23:52) Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,11:30) Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,08:50) T, It is a lesson in faith.
Kyes ,but not only of faith but also of trust in God
T,I do not think you can have faith without trust because a lack of trust is doubt.
Ktrue ,and it would be as having no faith at all ,
To All……….Faith “IS” the substance of things HOPED FOR, the the “EVEDIENCE” of things Not SEEN.
GOd is not SEEN and so what is your EVIDENCE in the UNSEEN GOD and that is the MEASURe of YOU FAITH. Have you FAITH, have it unto YOURSELF and again , When the Son of Man comes, will he find FAITH in the EARTH? I doubt it, much SUPPOSITIONS but LITTLE TRUE FAITH IMO. LOT of Chatter no REALITY of the unseen GOD,Just talk. IMO
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2014,01:16) To All……….Faith “IS” the substance of things HOPED FOR, the the “EVEDIENCE” of things Not SEEN. GOd is not SEEN and so what is your EVIDENCE in the UNSEEN GOD and that is the MEASURe of YOU FAITH. Have you FAITH, have it unto YOURSELF and again , When the Son of Man comes, will he find FAITH in the EARTH? I doubt it, much SUPPOSITIONS but LITTLE TRUE FAITH IMO. LOT of Chatter no REALITY of the unseen GOD,Just talk. IMO
Geneb.John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
THey have seen the image of God in the flesh,and believed.
We have not seen the image of God in the flesh and yet
we believe.(not all).You dont believe Jesus is the image of God in the flesh;
because you dont believe that HE WAS before all things.
And that he came down from heaven.
THE WORD WAS WITH GOD.wakeup.
Wakeup……..Making Jesus out to be something different then a son of mankind is exactly what Satan wants you to believe. It completely alters your identity with him on a human level. Jesus’ berth was on the order of Adam’s his male DNA was supplied by God the Father, and in that sense he like Adam is called a son of God, just as the first Adam was called a son of God. Neither the first Adam nor the second Adam (Jesus) existed before their berth on this earth. Jesus became a spiritual son of God after receiving into him the holy spirit at the Jordan river after he was baptized by John the baptist. The angel Gabriel did not mention so much as one word to Mary about Jesus being a preexisting being that was to be morphed into her body. If that were the case Jesus could have never been called her son at all, because he would have all ready been a complete preexisting being. Gabriel said that thing in her would “shall be” called the son of God, because it was God who Fathered him and brought him into existence as a direct son of God , just as he directly supplied Adam his complete DNA and Eve her female side of her DNA. None of these people preexisted their berth on this earth as Sentinel beings, and that includes Jesus the anointed man/son of God.
YOUR belief in the “DOCTRINE OF SEPARATION”, is a false teaching. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Wake up scripture says I am made also in the image of God, does that mean I am before all things also? Did God not say , let us make man in our “image” , what makes us being made in the image of God different then Jesus being made in his image also?
Jesus is all about mankind and man’s potential with God, our and Jesus’ creator. You worship Jesus as your God, I do not worship Jesus, I worship his God and my God, his Father and my Father. You move Jesus to a God status and commit idolatry by worshiping him, that is breaking the first commandment. “You shall have “no” God besides me.” Do you think God will except idolaters ?
peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
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