Was flesh mortal before god cursed it to decay?

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ May 29 2014,12:18) 6 When humankind began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, My point is that by this point Seth's line was already said to have daughters born to them while Cain's line was not. Kerwin, If you believe that, then it HAD TO BE Seth's daughters who were taken by the “sons of God”. Doesn't that shoot down your whole theory?

Mike,

I must not have been explicit enough for you to understand. Cain's line having daughters would be a new event while Seth's line having daughters was established.

[kerwin]

Mike,

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So it points out that human beings, in general, were called “adam”. It then goes through some of the offspring of Adam and Eve – through the line of Seth. Only the line of Seth is mentioned, right? And these are the ones God called “adam”, right? Chapter 6 continues:

Yes, as for the flesh humans are called children of Adam.
No, as for the Spirit God's humans are called the children of God.

The question is whether Genesis 6:1 is speaking of the body of the Spirit.  I don't believe God a body so I am not going to see that God is speaking as of the body.

So the only way I can see it your way is if I come to believe God has a body and I am firmly convinced that bodies are physical things and that God created all physical things.

[kerwin]

Mike,

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There hasn't been a change of subject concerning “daughters of adam”. Cain and his offspring haven't been mentioned since chapter 4. The “daughters of adam” in chapter 6 are the same “daughters of adam” mentioned in chapter 5 – all of whom came from Seth's line.

I think you have a point here but I really do not know enough to say as it is about why chose this particular layout of Scripture.

[kerwin]

Mike,

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This also fits with the LXX – which says “GIANTS” were born as the hybrid result of these unions.  These “GIANTS” are also explicitly described in Enoch as the offspring of angels mating with human women.  Enoch says they took to eating human beings after they had nearly eliminated the other food supplies on the earth.

I am not sure about the offspring being giants.  I do know that size given in 1 Enoch defies the law of gravity.  The size for giants given in Scripture does not defy the law of gravity.  

I see, the LXX seems to translate the Hebrew words Nephilim and gibbor to giant.  I can see the reasoning as the Nephilim were giants and the mighty men are sometimes figuratively called giants as well. I see where it can confuse some.

Even in LXX giants existed before the time that the sons of God married the daughters of man and sired offspring on them as it is written “Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men”.

In addition there is a before the time the time these intermarriages took place.

Note: LXX chapter 6

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2014,07:47) Quote (kerwin @ May 29 2014,12:18) 6 When humankind began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, My point is that by this point Seth's line was already said to have daughters born to them while Cain's line was not. Kerwin, If you believe that, then it HAD TO BE Seth's daughters who were taken by the “sons of God”. Doesn't that shoot down your whole theory? Mike, I must not have been explicit enough for you to understand.  Cain's line having daughters would be a new event while Seth's line having daughters was established.

And? How does any of this say the sons of God were sons of Seth, and the daughters of adam were daughters of Cain?

You are not making any sense, Kerwin.

[mikeboll64]

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Mike, Quote There hasn't been a change of subject concerning “daughters of adam”.  Cain and his offspring haven't been mentioned since chapter 4. The “daughters of adam” in chapter 6 are the same “daughters of adam” mentioned in chapter 5 – all of whom came from Seth's line. I think you have a point here but I really do not know enough to say as it is about why chose this particular layout of Scripture.

It seems to be getting nearer to clearer for you. Good.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,00:33)

Quote (kerwin @ May 30 2014,15:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2014,07:47) Quote (kerwin @ May 29 2014,12:18) 6 When humankind began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, My point is that by this point Seth's line was already said to have daughters born to them while Cain's line was not. Kerwin, If you believe that, then it HAD TO BE Seth's daughters who were taken by the “sons of God”. Doesn't that shoot down your whole theory? Mike, I must not have been explicit enough for you to understand.  Cain's line having daughters would be a new event while Seth's line having daughters was established. And?  How does any of this say the sons of God were sons of Seth, and the daughters of adam were daughters of Cain?   You are not making any sense, Kerwin.

Mike,

I only claimed that point was a hint, circumstantial evidence. It is of insufficient weight by itself.

[mikeboll64]

Well, just stick to Genesis 6, in accordance with Genesis 5, then.

The “daughters of adam” mentioned in chapter 5 are the very same “daughters of adam” mentioned in chapter 6…… ie: the daughters of Seth's lineage.

And that means that the “sons of God” took the “daughters of Seth's lineage” as wives, and mated with them.

Who then are these “sons of God” – as contrasted from the “daughters of Seth's lineage”?

[kerwin]

Mike,

That is also circumstantial evidence but it seems to balanced toward your chosen doctrine.

[mikeboll64]

“My doctrine” also aligns with the LXX and Enoch.

Yours is just a poke and hope that Moses abruptly started calling Seth's sons “sons of God” – after he just got done calling them “sons of Adam”.

And that he abruptly started talking about Cain's female offspring at this very time, calling them the “daughters of adam” – the same thing he just got done calling Seth's female offspring.

Scripture also seems to bear mine out, since those nations they said were the descendants of the Nephilim were full of really BIG dudes.

[NickHassan]

Hi ,
Look out all
We have an oracle amongst us

MB says

“Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”

[942767]

My understanding is  that the lineage of Seth were called the Sons of God because:

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Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

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Hi , Look out all We have an oracle amongst us MB says “Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”

Nick

still feel the sting of your error

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ June 01 2014,20:48)

My understanding is  that the lineage of Seth were called the Sons of God because: Quote Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord. Love in Christ, Marty

But chapter 5 begins by saying it is going to be the genealogy of the sons of adam.

And then goes on to name various members of the sons of adam through the line of Seth.

[942767]

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:43) Hi , Look out all We have an oracle amongst us MB says “Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.” Nick still feel the sting of your error

Well, everybody has an opinion.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:43) Hi , Look out all We have an oracle amongst us MB says “Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.” Nick still feel the sting of your error Well, everybody has an opinion.

yes Marty and some are well founded

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:09)

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,09:08) Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:43) Hi , Look out all We have an oracle amongst us MB says “Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.” Nick still feel the sting of your error Well, everybody has an opinion. yes Marty and some are well founded

yes, I agree, but not yours.

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,09:18)

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:09) Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,09:08) Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:43) Hi , Look out all We have an oracle amongst us MB says “Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.” Nick still feel the sting of your error Well, everybody has an opinion. yes Marty and some are well founded yes, I agree, but not yours.

Marty

now that is a opinion not well founded

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:22)

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,09:18) Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:09) Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,09:08) Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:43) Hi , Look out all We have an oracle amongst us MB says “Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.” Nick still feel the sting of your error Well, everybody has an opinion. yes Marty and some are well founded yes, I agree, but not yours. Marty now that is a opinion not well founded

We will let God make that judgment, since every idle word spoken by us will come into judgment.

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,09:34)

Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:22) Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,09:18) Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:09) Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,09:08) Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,14:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:43) Hi , Look out all We have an oracle amongst us MB says “Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.” Nick still feel the sting of your error Well, everybody has an opinion. yes Marty and some are well founded yes, I agree, but not yours. Marty now that is a opinion not well founded   We will let God make that judgment, since every idle word spoken by us will come into judgment.

Marty

that is correct ;but the spirit in me tells me to speak.

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