Was Adam truly the FIRST man ever?

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  • #365784
    terraricca
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    Quote (kerwin @ July 18 2013,05:47)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2013,03:42)
    I've been told that the more recent Watchtowers and Awakes portray a more “Jewish looking” Jesus……. but I can't say I'm an eyewitness of this.

    t8, I started reading the Jasher you linked yesterday, and it seems like a re-cap of the Pentateuch to me.  That fits with the Jewish rabbis who say “The Book of Jasher” really means “The Book of the Just”, and is a reference to the Pentateuch itself.  In other words, when Joshua referenced “The Book of Jasher”, he was really referencing the Pentateuch itself.  Same with Samuel.


    Mike,

    The Pentateuch does not record the miracle of the Sun stopping in the sky.


    k

    WHAT ARE THE FIVE FIRST BOOK THAT COMPOSES THE Pentateuch ???

    #365785
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,06:03)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 18 2013,05:47)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2013,03:42)
    I've been told that the more recent Watchtowers and Awakes portray a more “Jewish looking” Jesus……. but I can't say I'm an eyewitness of this.

    t8, I started reading the Jasher you linked yesterday, and it seems like a re-cap of the Pentateuch to me.  That fits with the Jewish rabbis who say “The Book of Jasher” really means “The Book of the Just”, and is a reference to the Pentateuch itself.  In other words, when Joshua referenced “The Book of Jasher”, he was really referencing the Pentateuch itself.  Same with Samuel.


    Mike,

    The Pentateuch does not record the miracle of the Sun stopping in the sky.


    k

    WHAT ARE THE FIVE FIRST BOOK THAT COMPOSES THE  Pentateuch ???


    T,

    Genesis through Deuteronomy.

    #365786
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,05:58)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2013,17:47)
    Mike,

    The Pentateuch does not record the miracle of the Sun stopping in the sky.


    In what context does Jasher record that event?


    Mike,

    Joshua 10:13
    King James Version (KJV)

    13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

    #365787
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,10:53)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,17:50)
    Hi Mike,

    The book of Jasher points to Melchizedek as being “Shem”.


    I looked at your link, and it seems like Marty proved scripturally that Shem was dead and gone long before Abraham ever lived.


    Hi Mike,

    Not if you look at the life-line chart…

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #365788
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ July 18 2013,11:13)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,06:03)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 18 2013,05:47)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2013,03:42)
    I've been told that the more recent Watchtowers and Awakes portray a more “Jewish looking” Jesus……. but I can't say I'm an eyewitness of this.

    t8, I started reading the Jasher you linked yesterday, and it seems like a re-cap of the Pentateuch to me.  That fits with the Jewish rabbis who say “The Book of Jasher” really means “The Book of the Just”, and is a reference to the Pentateuch itself.  In other words, when Joshua referenced “The Book of Jasher”, he was really referencing the Pentateuch itself.  Same with Samuel.


    Mike,

    The Pentateuch does not record the miracle of the Sun stopping in the sky.


    k

    WHAT ARE THE FIVE FIRST BOOK THAT COMPOSES THE  Pentateuch ???


    T,

    Genesis through Deuteronomy.


    K

    Good

    Why then you do read the book of Joshua 10: 1 – “………???

    It helps to read the scriptures many times

    #365789
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    Shem had befores and afters.
    To the flood “AND” also to Abraham
    The Book of Jasher says “Shem” was (Melchizedek) Adonizedek. (Jasher 16:11-12)

    God bless
    Ed J (<a href="http://bible.worthwhile.com/bible.php?b=josh&c=22&v=34&d=22.
    &w=34″ target=”_blank”>Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #365790
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,16:11)
    Hi Mike,

    Shem had befores and afters.
    To the flood “AND” also to Abraham
    The Book of Jasher says “Shem” was (Melchizedek) Adonizedek.   (Jasher 16:11-12)

    God bless
    Ed J (<a href="http://bible.worthwhile.com/bible.php?b=josh&c=22&v=34&d=22.
    &w=34″ target=”_blank”>Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Edj

    Would that not contradict ,what Paul is saying ???

    That Melchizedek ad no ancestor no genealogy ,he showed up and left ,so 2000 years ago Paul did not know this ???

    Or do I miss something here ???

    #365791
    terraricca
    Participant

    Edj

    To my understanding ,the only law that never changed and will never change,is the first commandment ,love God with all your heart,your mind,your soul and you strength ,

    #365792
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,21:24)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,16:11)
    Hi Mike,

    Shem had befores and afters.
    To the flood “AND” also to Abraham
    The Book of Jasher says “Shem” was (Melchizedek) Adonizedek.   (Jasher 16:11-12)

    God bless
    Ed J (<a href="http://bible.worthwhile.com/bible.php?b=josh&c=22&v=34&d=22.
    &w=34″ target=”_blank”>Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Edj

    Would that not contradict ,what Paul is saying ???

    That Melchizedek ad no ancestor no genealogy ,he showed up and left ,so 2000 years ago Paul did not know this ???

    Or do I miss something here ???


    Hi Pierre,

    If tradition held that they didn't know who his father and mother were
                               – I would say “NO” –
    after all he is talking about “AN OFFICE” rather than a person.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #365793
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,21:44)
    Edj

    To my understanding ,the only law that never changed and will never change,is the first commandment ,love God with all your heart,your mind,your soul and you strength ,


    Of course. But how does that apply to anything we are talking about? ???

    #365794
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,17:12)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,21:44)
    Edj

    To my understanding ,the only law that never changed and will never change,is the first commandment ,love God with all your heart,your mind,your soul and you strength ,


    Of course. But how does that apply to anything we are talking about?  ???


    edj

    it was in response to that quote you give about that Christians believers should put gods law in their heart ,

    law are made to show what is wicked not for righteous people

    #365795
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,22:49)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,17:12)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,21:44)
    Edj

    To my understanding ,the only law that never changed and will never change,is the first commandment ,love God with all your heart,your mind,your soul and you strength ,


    Of course. But how does that apply to anything we are talking about?  ???


    edj

    it was in response to that quote you give about that Christians believers should put gods law in their heart ,

    law are made to show what is wicked not for righteous people


    Hi Pierre,

    I looked back a few posts and I don't see what you're talking about. Was it in a different thread?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #365796
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,19:21)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,22:49)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,17:12)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,21:44)
    Edj

    To my understanding ,the only law that never changed and will never change,is the first commandment ,love God with all your heart,your mind,your soul and you strength ,


    Of course. But how does that apply to anything we are talking about?  ???


    edj

    it was in response to that quote you give about that Christians believers should put gods law in their heart ,

    law are made to show what is wicked not for righteous people


    Hi Pierre,

    I looked back a few posts and I don't see what you're talking about. Was it in a different thread?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    actually it is a comment inside the date chart ,I am not sure if you have written that or it is part of the chart .

    and on that chart it shows Noah was 502 years old wen he got Shem it should be 501 I think and 502 and 503 for the others ???

    and he was 600 hundred wen the flood came down

    #365797
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:41)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,19:21)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,22:49)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,17:12)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,21:44)
    Edj

    To my understanding ,the only law that never changed and will never change,is the first commandment ,love God with all your heart,your mind,your soul and you strength ,


    Of course. But how does that apply to anything we are talking about?  ???


    edj

    it was in response to that quote you give about that Christians believers should put gods law in their heart ,

    law are made to show what is wicked not for righteous people


    Hi Pierre,

    I looked back a few posts and I don't see what you're talking about. Was it in a different thread?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    actually it is a comment inside the date chart ,I am not sure if you have written that or it is part of the chart .

    and on that chart it shows Noah was 502 years old wen he got Shem it should be 501 I think and 502 and 503 for the others ???

    and he was 600 hundred wen the flood came down


    Hi Pierre,

    No, I did not add anything to that chart.
    What the chart shows – in addition to Shem
    being alive both before and after the flood is:

    He was alive 390 years before Abraham was born,
    and he out lived Abraham by THIRTY-FIVE (35) years.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #365798
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,15:52)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 18 2013,11:13)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,06:03)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 18 2013,05:47)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2013,03:42)
    I've been told that the more recent Watchtowers and Awakes portray a more “Jewish looking” Jesus……. but I can't say I'm an eyewitness of this.

    t8, I started reading the Jasher you linked yesterday, and it seems like a re-cap of the Pentateuch to me.  That fits with the Jewish rabbis who say “The Book of Jasher” really means “The Book of the Just”, and is a reference to the Pentateuch itself.  In other words, when Joshua referenced “The Book of Jasher”, he was really referencing the Pentateuch itself.  Same with Samuel.


    Mike,

    The Pentateuch does not record the miracle of the Sun stopping in the sky.


    k

    WHAT ARE THE FIVE FIRST BOOK THAT COMPOSES THE  Pentateuch ???


    T,

    Genesis through Deuteronomy.


    K

    Good

    Why then you do read the book of Joshua 10: 1 – “………???

    It helps to read the scriptures many times


    T,

    I don't see what that has to do with the fact the book of Jasher is not a reference to the Pentateuch.

    #365799
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,14:16)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,10:53)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,17:50)
    Hi Mike,

    The book of Jasher points to Melchizedek as being “Shem”.


    I looked at your link, and it seems like Marty proved scripturally that Shem was dead and gone long before Abraham ever lived.


    Hi Mike,

    Not if you look at the life-line chart…

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed,

    Have you tested that chart as it claims both Eber and Shem outlived Abraham.

    #365800
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,05:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,14:16)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,10:53)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,17:50)
    Hi Mike,

    The book of Jasher points to Melchizedek as being “Shem”.


    I looked at your link, and it seems like Marty proved scripturally that Shem was dead and gone long before Abraham ever lived.


    Hi Mike,

    Not if you look at the life-line chart…

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed,

    Have you tested that chart as it claims both Eber and Shem outlived Abraham.


    What is significant about Eber?

    “And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
     And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.” (Gen 11:17)

    #365801
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,00:34)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,15:52)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 18 2013,11:13)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,06:03)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 18 2013,05:47)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2013,03:42)
    I've been told that the more recent Watchtowers and Awakes portray a more “Jewish looking” Jesus……. but I can't say I'm an eyewitness of this.

    t8, I started reading the Jasher you linked yesterday, and it seems like a re-cap of the Pentateuch to me.  That fits with the Jewish rabbis who say “The Book of Jasher” really means “The Book of the Just”, and is a reference to the Pentateuch itself.  In other words, when Joshua referenced “The Book of Jasher”, he was really referencing the Pentateuch itself.  Same with Samuel.


    Mike,

    The Pentateuch does not record the miracle of the Sun stopping in the sky.


    k

    WHAT ARE THE FIVE FIRST BOOK THAT COMPOSES THE  Pentateuch ???


    T,

    Genesis through Deuteronomy.


    K

    Good

    Why then you do read the book of Joshua 10: 1 – “………???

    It helps to read the scriptures many times


    T,

    I don't see what that has to do with the fact the book of Jasher is not a reference to the Pentateuch.


    K

    1

    Quote
    Mike,

    The Pentateuch does not record the miracle of the Sun stopping in the sky.

    2

    Quote
    k

    WHAT ARE THE FIVE FIRST BOOK THAT COMPOSES THE Pentateuch ???

    3

    Quote
    T,

    Genesis through Deuteronomy.

    4

    Quote
    K

    Good ;

    Why then you do read the second book in the bible the book of Joshua 10: 1 – “………???

    now do you understand what you are saying and why I have answered you this way ???

    #365802
    kerwin
    Participant

    T,

    Mike is the one who introduced that some claim the book of the Just is a reference to The Pentateuch. If you counted Pentateuch as one book then Joshua would be the second. I don't.

    #365803
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,08:24)
    T,

    Mike is the one who introduced that some claim the book of the Just is a reference to The Pentateuch.   If you counted Pentateuch as one book then Joshua would be the second.  I don't.


    K

    I said BIBLE PLEASE READ WHAT IS WRITTEN to be honest I do not know the order in which the first five books are laid out

    inside the Pentateuch ,to me it does not make any difference ,1 to 5 or 1,3,2,5,4 ,or any other combination that we compare to the bible

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