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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 21 2014,16:03) JOHN UNDERSTOOD THIS. THEREFORE HE SAID:
AND THE WORD **WAS** GOD. NOT **IS**, BUT **WAS**
SPEAKING FROM HIS TIME PERIOD: OF THE PAST.
Yes Wakeup,When a person speaks about the PAST, they often use the word “WAS”, instead of “IS”.
God WAS in Zion when David ruled.
God WAS with Israel when He led them from Egypt.
God WAS on the mountain with Moses, giving him the ten commandments.
None of us would say “God IS” in any of those PAST tense occurrences. Likewise, since John was speaking of a PAST occurrence, he used the word “WAS” instead of “IS”.
In the beginning, the Word WAS with God. This doesn't mean the Word ISN'T STILL with God. It only means John was talking about something in the PAST.
Just like “the Word WAS a god (or God)” doesn't mean the Word USED TO BE something, but then STOPPED being that thing. It only means that John used the word “WAS” because he was referring to something that happened IN THE PAST.
Now, here is what I'm trying to get to the bottom of:
You say the Word was God, but then God brought this Word out as a different living, breathing being.
At the moment God brought this Word out, did the Word become a DIFFERENT being than God? Or is God and His Word still the SAME being – like you said in the last post on page 13 of this thread?
WHICH ONE?
Mike B.
I noticed that most here are just enjoing the daily debate.
This has been going on for years now and getting no where.
Still stuck in the same pool of mire.
Just like the politicians; debate,debate,and getting nowhere,
and nothing done. No fruits produced.When are you coming out of that pool?
Another ten years? I dont think so.The purpose Here should be to find the truth,not just a past time chat and some coffee, and biscuits.Just like discussing politics,to past the time.
The world love to stay in darkness.
We should come into the light,but I can not see it happening.
There will be no fruits come out of this dry soil.wakeup.
Wakeup,
If you cannot answer because you realize you've been caught in your own web of nonsense, then just say so.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2014,05:35) Wakeup, If you cannot answer because you realize you've been caught in your own web of nonsense, then just say so.
MikeB.Your questions are mundane questions.
It is not to produce any fruits.Understand God and his plan, through studying the prophesies. Spiritual knowledge is foolishness to you
as for now.Step out of that plain of mens wisdom, and step up to
spiritual wisdom.You have been debating scriptures for ten years, and still not getting anywhere. Another ten years and you will still not get anywhere.You seem not to realise that: or you just love to stay in that same hole.
Climb out of that hole and venture into some greater knowledge. Seek the prophesies,and learn how/why God handle things the way He does.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2014,04:34) Now, here is what I'm trying to get to the bottom of: You say the Word was God, but then God brought this Word out as a different living, breathing being.
(1) At the moment God brought this Word out, did the Word become a DIFFERENT being than God? Or
(2) is God and His Word still the SAME being – like you said in the last post on page 13 of this thread?WHICH ONE?
Hi Mike,Wakeup seems to be dodging your question here. He,
a lot of times doesn't answer my questions as well.From what I have been reading, I believe he holds
to the second position “(2)” that you have laid out.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThere is a thick invisible wall between you guys and me.
We can not communicate clearly without distortions.
Just off frequency.Need to climb over that wall.You are behind that wall, and I have gone over that wall on the front side. The way to my progress is free
and open ahead.You still need to go over that wall but I can not see it happening. It only took the apostles three and a half years
to learn all that knowledge by the HS.You guys had ten years plus, and still going on.
And will go on till kingdom come.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 24 2014,13:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2014,04:34) Now, here is what I'm trying to get to the bottom of: You say the Word was God, but then God brought this Word out as a different living, breathing being.
(1) At the moment God brought this Word out, did the Word become a DIFFERENT being than God? Or
(2) is God and His Word still the SAME being – like you said in the last post on page 13 of this thread?WHICH ONE?
Hi Mike,Wakeup seems to be dodging your question here. He,
a lot of times doesn't answer my questions as well.From what I have been reading, I believe he holds
to the second position “(2)” that you have laid out.
I agree that he is dodging the question, Ed. He does that so many times I can't keep count. Just take a look at the post he wrote after yours. There is still no ANSWER to my question – only a bunch of blustering about him being more “spiritually intelligent” than us losers – or something like that.“I'm on the other side of the wall, fellas! I don't have to cross back over to the dumb side of the wall to actually ADDRESS and DEFEND the things I claim!”
What a farce!
I don't believe Wakeup claims #2 as often as he claims #1, Ed. He is constantly talking about worshipping the Word and what-not, because the Word is “part of God”. But then he goes into a hissy fit if I ask him if he thinks the Word is God. He starts yelling about how the Word is NOT God Himself, but OF God.
I'm at a loss, since he claims both things at different times, and then refuses to clarify his belief. I think this is called “talking out of both sides of your mouth”.
At any rate, I've concluded that my queries have left Wakeup stumped about his own doctrine……. to the point that he can no longer even give a direct answer about what he believes. In other words, he too realizes that he is talking out of both sides of his mouth – but has no idea of how to free himself from this prison he created. So he has given up on even TRYING to answer the questions, and has resorted to insulting us instead.
MikeB.
You feel insulted, or is it because you are in that hole that you have digged for your self?
You stay there, and your own weight will push you even deeper and deeper.Dont get ubset with me because you can not grasp the mystery. I have spend much time trying to make you understand; but to no avail.
There must be a blockage.But you are not alone in this,
so cheerup.We still love you.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
YOU are the one who is UNABLE to answer this point:
You say the Word was God, but then God brought this Word out as a different living, breathing being.
At the moment God brought this Word out, did the Word become a DIFFERENT being than God? Or is God and His Word still the SAME being – like you said in the last post on page 13 of this thread?
WHICH ONE?
Therefore, YOU are the one who has dug a whole for himself that you can't get out of.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2014,07:17) Wakeup, YOU are the one who is UNABLE to answer this point:
You say the Word was God, but then God brought this Word out as a different living, breathing being.
At the moment God brought this Word out, did the Word become a DIFFERENT being than God? Or is God and His Word still the SAME being – like you said in the last post on page 13 of this thread?
WHICH ONE?
Therefore, YOU are the one who has dug a whole for himself that you can't get out of.
Mike b.You seem to have a PROBLEM in believing that God's Word is alive in heaven and on earth.
Jesus was alive on earth. A living Holy person.
He is alive now in Heaven with His God.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2014,09:36) That post doesn't answer the questions, Wakeup. Why are you unable to answer them?
Mike B.I have answered, but You can not, or will not understand.
That other being is NOT God,***but God's Word***.
Jesus is NOT God,but God's Word in the flesh.
You can not comprehend the Word of God.
You can not comprehend the light.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,10:01) That other being is NOT God,***but God's Word***.
See Ed?Wakeup, I UNDERSTAND that you say the Word is not God Himself, but God's Word. Do YOU understand that I'VE understood that from the first of the 2000 times you've told me the same thing? You DON'T need to EVER say that to me again, okay? I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, okay?
Now, to the matter at hand:
WAS that Word of God ALREADY a different being BEFORE God spoke him out of His mouth?
Do you see a DIFFERENCE between what you KEEP ON telling me, and what I'm actually ASKING YOU?
Answer the thing I'm actually ASKING YOU, Wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2014,07:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,10:01) That other being is NOT God,***but God's Word***.
See Ed?Wakeup, I UNDERSTAND that you say the Word is not God Himself, but God's Word. Do YOU understand that I'VE understood that from the first of the 2000 times you've told me the same thing? You DON'T need to EVER say that to me again, okay? I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, okay?
Now, to the matter at hand:
WAS that Word of God ALREADY a different being BEFORE God spoke him out of His mouth?
Do you see a DIFFERENCE between what you KEEP ON telling me, and what I'm actually ASKING YOU?
Answer the thing I'm actually ASKING YOU, Wakeup.
MikeB.Wow.
Still can not get through?
You believe God's Word is alive,but dont believe that God's Word can be possibly alive,unless he created some one else
to do the speaking for Him.God's own word is alive,God's own Word is alive,God's own Word is alive. God's Word is a living Word;not a created spokesman. It is God's own,God's own, God's own Word.
God's speech is alive; therefore can give life.The words that was spoken by God is a **living** Word.
This part you can not absorb. Or will not swallow.
There is only one God, and his own Word, and his own Holy spirit.They are alive.wakeup.
Since there wasn't an answer in that last post, here is the question once again, Wakeup:
WAS that Word of God ALREADY a different being BEFORE God spoke him out of His mouth?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2014,08:59) Since there wasn't an answer in that last post, here is the question once again, Wakeup: WAS that Word of God ALREADY a different being BEFORE God spoke him out of His mouth?
Mike B.The word of God is alive and he is given a form.
Which you can not comprehend.
He is God's *own living Word* sitting next to God.
He is doing all the work. but He also is God's own Word;own Word;own Word. Own living Word.A living Word in the *form*/shape of God himself; but he also is God's own Word.The Holy spirit is in God; a living spirit,does not make him another God.
He is not God; but the living Word of God.
Not God;but the living Word of God with a form.1.God.
2.His own living Word next to Him.God's own Word alive with
a shape. God can take him inside himself if he wanted to;
and bring Him out again if He wanted to. God is a spirit.Think spirit; not with man's spirit.
wakeup.
Since there wasn't an answer in that last post, here is the question once again, Wakeup:
WAS that Word of God ALREADY a different being BEFORE God spoke him out of His mouth?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2014,08:59) Since there wasn't an answer in that last post, here is the question once again, Wakeup: WAS that Word of God ALREADY a different being BEFORE God spoke him out of His mouth?
MikeB.Before the beginning?
No: only God was.
Not a word spoken as yet.
God was in silence,and there was nothing created.
But God has a mind and He can speak.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 01 2014,07:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2014,08:59) Since there wasn't an answer in that last post, here is the question once again, Wakeup: WAS that Word of God ALREADY a different being BEFORE God spoke him out of His mouth?
MikeB.Before the beginning?
No: only God was.
THANK YOU…….. finally!So, if this separate living, breathing being did NOT exist as a separate living, breathing being from eternity, then there was a time when this separate living, breathing being BEGAN to exist, right?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2014,10:21) Quote (Wakeup @ April 01 2014,07:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2014,08:59) Since there wasn't an answer in that last post, here is the question once again, Wakeup: WAS that Word of God ALREADY a different being BEFORE God spoke him out of His mouth?
MikeB.Before the beginning?
No: only God was.
THANK YOU…….. finally!So, if this separate living, breathing being did NOT exist as a separate living, breathing being from eternity, then there was a time when this separate living, breathing being BEGAN to exist, right?
Mike B.Yes; because He was still inside.
And God just brough Him out of Himself.
He was not created;He was just given a form.
The same Word was given a shape.
God's Word was in God from everlasting.wakeup.
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