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Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,20:51) Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2014,00:14) wup Quote 1.Who then will they rule over? For all will be equal in the  kingdom of heaven. were is that written that ALL WILL BE EQUAL IN HEAVEN; IT NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE ;  READ THE SCRIPTURES MAN THE GREATER IS LEAST, AND THE LEAST IS GREATER.  Matthew 11:11   Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there ***hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist***: ***notwithstanding he that is least*** ***in the kingdom of heaven*** ***is greater than he**.  Luke 7:28   For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: ***but he that is least*** ***in the kingdom of God is greater than he***. wakeup. wup those scriptures do not say what you said ,you are seeing things that are not written ,and do not see things that are written , no one is equal no place ,but the fact that we are all treated equally does not mean that we are equal , it only means that the same rule ,rule us all

Yes of course there are greater in the kingdom,but all are treated as equal.The great ones in the kingdom will not project themselves higher over others.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2014,13:11) Daniel 7 KJV 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. The saints will rule over israel in the flesh, for one thousand years, They will not stay flesh after the thousand years.

So the saints who are resurrected to rule with Jesus will be resurrected from the dead as FLESH beings?  Show me from scripture.

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1.Who then will they rule over? For all will be equal in the kingdom of heaven.

All will be equal in heaven?  Show me from scripture.

Jesus said the greatest of those born of women was still less than the least of those in heaven.  How can there even be a “least of those in heaven” if all are equal in heaven?

What does “archangel” mean, if all are equal in heaven?

And finally, instead of using your own ideas and words to “explain” to me how things are going to be – why not DIRECTLY tell me what that Daniel passage above means.

It says the dominion of the Son of Man will be everlasting, and will never pass away.  Please explain to me how these SCRIPTURAL words can be true – and at the same time, the dominion of the Son of Man WILL pass away – according to you.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 13 2014,20:46) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2014,13:11) Daniel 7 KJV 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. The saints will rule over israel in the flesh, for one thousand years, They will not stay flesh after the thousand years. So the saints who are resurrected to rule with Jesus will be resurrected from the dead as FLESH beings?  Show me from scripture. Quote (Wakeup @ June 13 2014,20:46) 1.Who then will they rule over? For all will be equal in the kingdom of heaven. All will be equal in heaven?  Show me from scripture. Jesus said the greatest of those born of women was still less than the least of those in heaven.  How can there even be a “least of those in heaven” if all are equal in heaven? What does “archangel” mean, if all are equal in heaven? And finally, instead of using your own ideas and words to “explain” to me how things are going to be – why not DIRECTLY tell me what that Daniel passage above means. It says the dominion of the Son of Man will be everlasting, and will never pass away.  Please explain to me how these SCRIPTURAL words can be true – and at the same time, the dominion of the Son of Man WILL pass away – according to you.

1.The saints at the coming will be resurrected spirits.

2.The remnants of the jews will be brought back in the flesh.

3.There is a hiearchy in heaven;but all are treated as equal.

4.Scripture said that Jesus will be in subjection to God,
and yet He will rule for ever.

5.This is the mystery that is not revealed to all,but a few.

Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil *the word of God*;
Colossians 1:26
***Even the mystery***
***which hath been hid from ages and from generations***, ***but now is made manifest to his saints***:

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

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4.Scripture said that Jesus will be in subjection to God, and yet He will rule for ever. 5.This is the mystery that is not revealed to all,but a few.

Okay, your #1 and #3 show me that you have corrected your earlier error.

As for #4 and #5, the person Jesus WILL rule forever – and it really is no great mystery.

You try to MAKE it a mystery because your doctrine has been flawed from the moment you read the KJV's “and the Word was God“ – and took that flawed translation to mean a literal spoken word from God's mouth became a living being who was later known as “Jesus”.

But these are simply your misunderstandings – fueled by that flawed KJV translation of John 1:1.  This theory of yours is not really taught in any scripture.

Instead, scripture teaches about a Son of Man who will rule from the throne of David forever.  There will be no end to his kingdom.

There is really no mystery about this part of scripture, Wakeup.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 15 2014,15:33) 4.Scripture said that Jesus will be in subjection to God, and yet He will rule for ever. 5.This is the mystery that is not revealed to all,but a few. Okay, your #1 and #3 show me that you have corrected your earlier error. As for #4 and #5, the person Jesus WILL rule forever – and it really is no great mystery. You try to MAKE it a mystery because your doctrine has been flawed from the moment you read the KJV's “and the Word was God“ – and took that flawed translation to mean a literal spoken word from God's mouth became a living being who was later known as “Jesus”. But these are simply your misunderstandings – fueled by that flawed KJV translation of John 1:1.  This theory of yours is not really taught in any scripture. Instead, scripture teaches about a Son of Man who will rule from the throne of David forever.  There will be no end to his kingdom. There is really no mystery about this part of scripture, Wakeup.

Mike B.

The mystery is this.

How can Jesus be in subjection to God?
Why does He have to rule for a thousand years only?
Why does it also say that he shall rule forever?
Why is the Father also Jesus's God?

One can only understand when given the understanding.
Here is another one. **God speaking**.

Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, **Who is my mother**? and who are my brethren?

Mark 3:33 And he answered them, saying, **Who is my mother**, or my brethren?

God was telling us something that we can not understand.
The mystery of Jesus birth. To us; Mary was His mother.
But yet; it is not so.For he was from everlasting.
He created Mary,and all things.

Here is another one.

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and
***no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father***; ***and who the Father is, but the Son***,
***and he to whom the Son will reveal him***.

If everyone knows;than it can not be a mystery.
Only Jesus will reveal this mystery to whom he wants.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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How can Jesus be in subjection to God?

that question the scriptures tells you why ask???

[Wakeup]

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wup Quote How can Jesus be in subjection to God? that question the scriptures tells you why ask???

As I have said.
It is a mystery only Jesus can give you understanding.
I can not do that, no matter what.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Yes of course there are greater in the kingdom,but all are treated as equal.The great ones in the kingdom will not project themselves higher over others. wakeup.

YOU SEEM NOT TO READ THE SCRIPTURES AND UNDERSTAND ;THEM

Mt 20:20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him.
Mt 20:21 “What is it you want?” he asked.
She said, “Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom.”

you can see that this is a fleshly request for position right yes

Mt 20:22 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?”
“We can,” they answered.

this is the first condition by Jesus ;

Mt 20:23 Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup,

Jesus answer his own question by yes they will

but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.”

so here Jesus shows that it is the authority of his father that makes it where anyone sits ,

Mt 20:25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them

here Jesus makes them see what is going on in the world they live in ;

Mt 20:26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
Mt 20:27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave—

so now Jesus show his apostles that the same rule from the world does NOT APPLY TO THOSE THAT ARE IN CHRIST OR IN HIS FATHER KINGDOM ,

Mt 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

HERE JESUS SHOWS HIS PERSONAL EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS RULE APPLIES

IF YOU UNDERSTAND THIS TALK ABOVE ,YOU MAY NOW UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT PAUL SAYS IN ;

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,

THE ONE THAT “SERVES THE MOST ” AS SUPREMACY OVER ALL OTHERS

do you understand this

[Wakeup]

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WAKEUP Quote Yes of course there are greater in the kingdom,but all are treated as equal.The great ones in the kingdom will not project themselves higher over others. wakeup. YOU SEEM NOT TO READ THE SCRIPTURES AND UNDERSTAND ;THEM Mt 20:20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him. Mt 20:21 “What is it you want?” he asked. She said, “Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom.” you can see that this is a fleshly request for position right yes Mt 20:22 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?” “We can,” they answered. this is the first condition by Jesus ; Mt 20:23 Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, Jesus answer his own question by yes they will but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.” so here Jesus shows that it is the authority of his father that makes it where anyone sits , Mt 20:25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them here Jesus makes them see what is going on in the world they live in ; Mt 20:26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, Mt 20:27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— so now Jesus show his apostles that the same rule from the world does NOT APPLY TO THOSE THAT ARE IN CHRIST OR IN HIS FATHER KINGDOM , Mt 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” HERE JESUS SHOWS HIS PERSONAL EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS RULE APPLIES IF YOU UNDERSTAND THIS TALK ABOVE ,YOU MAY NOW UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT PAUL SAYS IN ; Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, THE ONE THAT “SERVES THE MOST ” AS SUPREMACY OVER ALL OTHERS do you understand this

Those scriptures has explained it all.
Explained by Tera.
Why could the world not see that for so long.
So that's the mystery's answer.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

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Mike B. The mystery is this. 1.  How can Jesus be in subjection to God? 2.  Why does He have to rule for a thousand years only? 3.  Why does it also say that he shall rule forever? 4.  Why is the Father also Jesus's God?

1.  Jesus is the servant of God. He has been in subjection to his God and Creator from the moment that God created him.  No mystery there.

2.  He doesn't rule for only a thousand years, Wakeup.  For the first thousand years of his reign, Satan will be locked up.  But Christ will not stop ruling from the throne of David after Satan is released.  Nor will he stop ruling from the throne of David after Satan is finished once and for all.  

3.  Because he WILL rule forever – from the throne of David.

4.  The same reason Jehovah is the Father and God of Michael, Gabriel, Satan, you, me, Pierre, and journey.  All of us are his creations.  He is the God who created us, and is therefore our Father.  Jesus is no exception.  In fact, Jesus was the FIRST one of all of us to be created.

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Here is another one. **God speaking**.  Matthew 12:48   But he answered and said unto him that told him, **Who is my mother**? and who are my brethren?  Mark 3:33   And he answered them, saying, **Who is my mother**, or my brethren? God was telling us something that we can not understand. The mystery of Jesus birth. To us; Mary was His mother. But yet; it is not so.For he was from everlasting. He created Mary,and all things.

Mary was Jesus' mother – according to the flesh.  He existed in heaven before that time.  The pre-existent heavenly Jesus did not have a “mother” – but only the Father God………. just like all Jesus' angel brothers.

Nor is there any mystery to those verses.  The disciples pointed out that Jesus' earthly mother and brothers and sisters were there – and he was making a point that those who follow God are his “mother, brothers, and sisters”.

It has nothing to do with what you're saying………. and “God” is not the one who said those words.

Wakeup, you are only confusing yourself here. Do you, or do you NOT, believe that Jesus will rule from the throne of David FOREVER – like the scriptures clearly teach?

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 15 2014,22:12) Mike B. The mystery is this. 1.  How can Jesus be in subjection to God? 2.  Why does He have to rule for a thousand years only? 3.  Why does it also say that he shall rule forever? 4.  Why is the Father also Jesus's God? 1.  Jesus is the servant of God. He has been in subjection to his God and Creator from the moment that God created him.  No mystery there. 2.  He doesn't rule for only a thousand years, Wakeup.  For the first thousand years of his reign, Satan will be locked up.  But Christ will not stop ruling from the throne of David after Satan is released.  Nor will he stop ruling from the throne of David after Satan is finished once and for all.   3.  Because he WILL rule forever – from the throne of David. 4.  The same reason Jehovah is the Father and God of Michael, Gabriel, Satan, you, me, Pierre, and journey.  All of us are his creations.  He is the God who created us, and is therefore our Father.  Jesus is no exception.  In fact, Jesus was the FIRST one of all of us to be created. Quote (Wakeup @ June 15 2014,22:12) Here is another one. **God speaking**.  Matthew 12:48   But he answered and said unto him that told him, **Who is my mother**? and who are my brethren?  Mark 3:33   And he answered them, saying, **Who is my mother**, or my brethren? God was telling us something that we can not understand. The mystery of Jesus birth. To us; Mary was His mother. But yet; it is not so.For he was from everlasting. He created Mary,and all things. Mary was Jesus' mother – according to the flesh.  He existed in heaven before that time.  The pre-existent heavenly Jesus did not have a “mother” – but only the Father God………. just like all Jesus' angel brothers. Nor is there any mystery to those verses.  The disciples pointed out that Jesus' earthly mother and brothers and sisters were there – and he was making a point that those who follow God are his “mother, brothers, and sisters”. It has nothing to do with what you're saying………. and “God” is not the one who said those words. Wakeup, you are only confusing yourself here.  Do you, or do you NOT, believe that Jesus will rule from the throne of David FOREVER – like the scriptures clearly teach?

Jesus said: Who is my mother?

Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1 Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

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Jesus said: Who is my mother?

Actually, he said “Who is my mother and who are my brothers?”

He said this because the disciples told him his mother and brothers were there.

Don't forget the “brothers” part, Wakeup.  You are trying to build a mystery about the “mother” part, but your mystery doesn't work when you include the “brothers” part.

So instead of being some mystery, it was a way for Jesus to point out that the ones who did the will of God were MORE IMPORTANT to him than even his own family.

[journey42]

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Wakeup, you are only confusing yourself here.  Do you, or do you NOT, believe that Jesus will rule from the throne of David FOREVER – like the scriptures clearly teach?

Revelation 20:6   Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Why only a thousand years Mike?
Shouldn't the saints reign with him forever?

1 Corinthians 15:28   And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 
1 Corinthians 15:25   For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (till, till, till)
1 Corinthians 15:26   The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Death will be destroyed at the 2nd Resurrection, and thrown into the lake of fire.  Christ job will be finished.

Revelation 21:3   And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

This can only happen when death is finally destroyed forever, and all who are left are spirit creatures.  Christ will present everything he has cleansed back to God, pure and white, and everyone that has gone through the lamb, will deal directly with God now face to face.

[mikeboll64]

journey,

It doesn't mean ONLY for a thousand years.  John is just specifying that the elect will reign with Christ for the thousand years Satan is in the abyss – the thousand years before the rest are resurrected.

It doesn't mean that reign will end when those thousand years are up.

1 Corinthians 15:26  
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Who will destroy death, journey?  Isn't death the last enemy that CHRIST will destroy?  And isn't it CHRIST who will destroy Satan as well?

If so, read Rev 20:7-14.  Because Satan and death aren't destroyed until long after the thousand year reign.  (I assume it will take Satan a long time to gather the four corners of the earth for battle……… don't you?)

And that means Christ will be around long after the thousand year reign is over, because he will still be there to destroy Satan and death AFTER Satan has had time to gather his armies.

To me, it's simply a matter of BELIEVING clear scriptures.  

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Daniel 2:44
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Daniel 7
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

Luke 1
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

I could probably find even more scriptures, journey…..  but do I really need to?  Aren't these enough?

[journey42]

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journey, It doesn't mean ONLY for a thousand years.  John is just specifying that the elect will reign with Christ for the thousand years Satan is in the abyss – the thousand years before the rest are resurrected.

Hi Mike
Good, you understand this part. Satan locked up. Christ ruling during the 1000 years, …..
So after the 1000 years, what happens?
Satan is released, he uses Gog to gather the nations to attack the holy camp (kingdom area).  Yes we don't know how long it would take to round up the nations, but I don't think God will let Satan run free for too long this time.

So, that final battle, the war of Gog and Magog.
God kills Gog and his armies;

Revelation 20:9   And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

This is after the thousand years don't forget.  Where is Christ?
If he is there on earth, why doesn't he kill Gog?  Instead God is killing Gog up there from heaven.

Revelation 20:10   And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So we know that at this time, when Gog is killed, Satan is thrown into the lake of fire.  Then what next?

Lets rewind just a little, and go back to when Gog is killed.
Ezekiel 39:11   And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

Ezekiel 39:12   And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

7 months to bury the dead

Ezekiel 39:9   And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

and 7 years to burn all those weapons.

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It doesn't mean that reign will end when those thousand years are up.

Again, why has God killed Magog and not killed by Christ?
Who does Christ serve?  Do you think God will never be the chief again?

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1 Corinthians 15:26   The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

When this happens, it means the 2nd judgement has taken place.  No one can die anymore.  Death is conquered.  The righteous resurrected.  Death and hell thrown into the lake of fire.

1 Corinthians 15:25   For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (till, till, till)
1 Corinthians 15:26   The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1 Corinthians 15:28   And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

So when ALL THINGS are subdued to Christ, put under his feet by God, then the Son shall subdue all things back to God.
It is finished.  His work is done.

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Who will destroy death, journey?  Isn't death the last enemy that CHRIST will destroy?  And isn't it CHRIST who will destroy Satan as well?

From the scripture I just gave you, it looks like God will destroy death, and looks like God will destroy Satan also, because he is the one that puts all things under Christ's feet.

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To me, it's simply a matter of BELIEVING clear scriptures.

That's right Mike, but put it into perspective. 

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Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Jesus does not disappear, he is the “WORD OF GOD”

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Daniel 7 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. Luke 1 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

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Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

So work it out then Mike?

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I could probably find even more scriptures, journey…..  but do I really need to?  Aren't these enough?

We'll leave it at that for now before you find more scriptures.

[mikeboll64]

Hi journey,

1 Corinthians 15
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

The pronouns “he” in verses 24 and 28 refer to Jesus.  God did not place Jesus' enemies as a footstool for Jesus' feet just so GOD could later destroy those enemies.  He made those enemies subject to His Son so HIS SON could destroy them.

It is indeed JESUS who will destroy Satan and death.  After he has done this, he will hand the reigns of the kingdom back over to his Father and God.  But Jesus will not cease to exist at that time.  Jesus will be Prince to God's King.

Ezekiel 34:24
And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.

Ezekiel 37:25
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Consider this verse:

Ezekiel 46:17
If, however, he makes a gift from his inheritance to one of his servants, the servant may keep it until the year of freedom; then it will revert to the prince.

This scripture is unrelated to our discussion, but shows an example of what is about to happen in heaven.  God is about to “make a gift” of the kingdom to His Son, Jesus.  After a certain amount of time (after Jesus destroys the enemies God placed at his feet), that kingdom will “revert back to God”.

Now, I didn't understand your answer to those many scriptures I posted.  So I want to know if you are able to understand, from those scriptures, that Jesus will rule over the house of Jacob, from the throne of David, FOREVER.

Do you understand that this is what all of those scriptures tell us?  Or is something getting lost in the shuffle?

[Wakeup]

MikeB.

1 Corinthians 15:28
***And when all things shall be subdued unto him***, ***then shall the Son also himself***
***be subject unto him***
***that put all things under him***,
***that God may be all in all***.

THE SON WILL BE SUBJECT TO GOD;AFTER THE THOUSAND YEAR RULE IS EXPIRED.

Matthew 22:44
***The LORD said unto my Lord***,
***Sit thou on my right hand***,
***till *I* make thine enemies thy footstool***?

TILL *I* MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL.
ALL THINGS ARE DONE BY GOD.
BECAUSE THE WORD IS GOD'S OWN WORD.
AND GOD'S WORD ALWAYS OBEYS THE SPEAKER.
ALL IS DONE BY THE POWER OF HIS WORD.

HE WHO HAS THE SON, HAS THE FATHER ALSO.
AFTER THE THOUSAND YEARS; GOD WILL DEAL WITH HIS CHILDREN FACE TO FACE. NO MORE WORDS USED.
HE WILL COMMUNICATE WITH HIS CHILDREN THE SPIRITUAL WAY.

wakeup.

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THE SON WILL BE SUBJECT TO GOD;AFTER THE THOUSAND YEAR RULE IS EXPIRED.

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the 1000 years is only one step forward to into the final submission ,not the end for it

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THE SON WILL BE SUBJECT TO GOD;AFTER THE THOUSAND YEAR RULE IS EXPIRED.

Close.  Read the 1 Cor 15 scriptures that I posted at the very top of my last post to journey.

It will be AFTER Jesus destroys Satan and death that he will hand the kingdom back over to his and our God, Jehovah.

So Jesus will indeed rule for the thousand years Satan is locked in the abyss………. but he will still be ruling after Satan is let loose also.  It isn't until Satan and death are completely finished that Jesus will hand the kingdom back to Jehovah.

At that time, Jehovah will be their God, and Jesus will be their Prince FOREVER (Ezekiel 34:24, 37:25)

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2014,22:06) THE SON WILL BE SUBJECT TO GOD;AFTER THE THOUSAND YEAR RULE IS EXPIRED. Close.  Read the 1 Cor 15 scriptures that I posted at the very top of my last post to journey. It will be AFTER Jesus destroys Satan and death that he will hand the kingdom back over to his and our God, Jehovah. So Jesus will indeed rule for the thousand years Satan is locked in the abyss………. but he will still be ruling after Satan is let loose also.  It isn't until Satan and death are completely finished that Jesus will hand the kingdom back to Jehovah. At that time, Jehovah will be their God, and Jesus will be their Prince FOREVER  (Ezekiel 34:24, 37:25)

Mike

agreed , and let not forgetting the second resurrection

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