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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2014,08:13) hi WU,
Yup
Nick and wakeupJn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”is this true to your understanding
Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2014,16:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2014,08:13) hi WU,
Yup
Nick and wakeupJn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”is this true to your understanding
This is true.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 29 2014,13:31) Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2014,16:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2014,08:13) hi WU,
Yup
Nick and wakeupJn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”is this true to your understanding
This is true.wakeup.
wQuote Jesus is the appointed judge. wakeup.
so my question is ;is this still true
if so why
Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2014,18:38) Quote (Wakeup @ May 29 2014,13:31) Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2014,16:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2014,08:13) hi WU,
Yup
Nick and wakeupJn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”is this true to your understanding
This is true.wakeup.
wQuote Jesus is the appointed judge. wakeup.
so my question is ;is this still true
if so why
Because Jesus is the only righteous and fair judge.
He only knows the hearts of men.
His Father left all judgements to Him.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2014,20:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2014,12:37) You are correct, Wakeup………. Job was a “father” to the poor in the sense that he cared for and looked after the poor.
And one who cares for and looks after someone is called their “benefactor”, or “protector”.
So I only have two simple questions:
1. Is Jesus someone who cares for and looks after us? YES or NO?
2. Will Jesus be doing that forever? YES or NO?
MikeB.1. Yes.
2.No.
When he has finished his task; God will take over.
All will face God, with no mediator in between.wakeup.
Jesus will rule from the throne of David FOREVER, Wakeup. There will be no end to his rule. These things are said in scripture.So the correct answer to #2 is also “YES”.
And if “father” can mean “one who looks after and cares for you”, and Jesus IS that kind of one, and Jesus will BE that kind of one for eternity, then it's possible that Isaiah 9:6 speaks of Jesus being our “everlasting one who looks after and cares for us” (everlasting father).
So that is one possible option. The other option is that the child who was born to us will be called our HEAVENLY FATHER…….. even though he will never BE our HEAVENLY FATHER.
The choice, of course, is yours to make.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2014,12:53) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2014,20:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2014,12:37) You are correct, Wakeup………. Job was a “father” to the poor in the sense that he cared for and looked after the poor.
And one who cares for and looks after someone is called their “benefactor”, or “protector”.
So I only have two simple questions:
1. Is Jesus someone who cares for and looks after us? YES or NO?
2. Will Jesus be doing that forever? YES or NO?
MikeB.1. Yes.
2.No.
When he has finished his task; God will take over.
All will face God, with no mediator in between.wakeup.
Jesus will rule from the throne of David FOREVER, Wakeup. There will be no end to his rule. These things are said in scripture.So the correct answer to #2 is also “YES”.
And if “father” can mean “one who looks after and cares for you”, and Jesus IS that kind of one, and Jesus will BE that kind of one for eternity, then it's possible that Isaiah 9:6 speaks of Jesus being our “everlasting one who looks after and cares for us” (everlasting father).
So that is one possible option. The other option is that the child who was born to us will be called our HEAVENLY FATHER…….. even though he will never BE our HEAVENLY FATHER.
The choice, of course, is yours to make.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
***then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him
that put all things under him***,
***that God may be all in all***.God will take over all things.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 29 2014,20:14) 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
***then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him
that put all things under him***,
***that God may be all in all***.God will take over all things.
Isaiah 9:7
Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.Luke 1:32-33
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.“Daniel 7
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Wakeup, you are clearly speaking against scripture. Jesus isn't going anywhere……….. EVER.
He is not only a wonderful counselor, but also a mighty god, the prince of peace, and our everlasting benefactor (father).
That is the true meaning of Isaiah 9:6……….. not that the CHILD born to us will somehow become our Heavenly Father, or that he will go “back inside” our Heavenly Father.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,06:17) Quote (Wakeup @ May 29 2014,20:14) 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
***then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him
that put all things under him***,
***that God may be all in all***.God will take over all things.
Isaiah 9:7
Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.Luke 1:32-33
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.“Daniel 7
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Wakeup, you are clearly speaking against scripture. Jesus isn't going anywhere……….. EVER.
He is not only a wonderful counselor, but also a mighty god, the prince of peace, and our everlasting benefactor (father).
That is the true meaning of Isaiah 9:6……….. not that the CHILD born to us will somehow become our Heavenly Father, or that he will go “back inside” our Heavenly Father.
No I am not against scripture.
It is that you can not understand.
The Word of God will rule for a thousand years, and than God himself will take over.
The Word of God is still the Word of God.He is not of a stranger.The word of God is the image of God.
After the thousand years;God himself will rule,with no mediator needed. Because we can see him and talk with Him.The reason why God send His image to earth instead of Himself. Is because we can not see God or we die.
We will see him as he is, when all work is finished.
We will see him face to face.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2014,21:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,06:17)
Isaiah 9:7
Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.Jesus isn't going anywhere……….. EVER.
The Word of God will rule for a thousand years…………
Wakeup: He will rule for only a thousand years, and then go away.God: There will be no end to his government. He will rule from David's throne forever.
Hi Guys,
Don't argue with MB.
He says“Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:45) Hi Guys,
Don't argue with MB.
He says“Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”
Nickthis would also be true to one that reads the bible ,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,05:41) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2014,21:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,06:17)
Isaiah 9:7
Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.Jesus isn't going anywhere……….. EVER.
The Word of God will rule for a thousand years…………
Wakeup: He will rule for only a thousand years, and then go away.God: There will be no end to his government. He will rule from David's throne forever.
That would contradict; if you believe that He is just a spokesman. Then he would just vanish away;be discarded
like used tissue paper.But he is not just a spokesman.
The Word of God is God's image.
He would simply remove the mirror.
We will deal with HIM face to face.
If you can understand what I am saying.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2014,19:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,05:41) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2014,21:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,06:17)
Isaiah 9:7
Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.Jesus isn't going anywhere……….. EVER.
The Word of God will rule for a thousand years…………
Wakeup: He will rule for only a thousand years, and then go away.God: There will be no end to his government. He will rule from David's throne forever.
That would contradict; if you believe that He is just a spokesman. Then he would just vanish away;be discarded
like used tissue paper.But he is not just a spokesman.
The Word of God is God's image.
He would simply remove the mirror.
We will deal with HIM face to face.
If you can understand what I am saying.wakeup.
WAKEUPI cannot understand what you getting at,because scriptures do not support what you say ,
Christ being the only son of God ,is also “the word of God”
but read what it says in scriptures ;
Col 1:16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and FOR HIM
do you understand what that mean “FOR HIM” THIS SAYS IT ALL DOES IT ” NOT FOR US NOT FOR ANYONE ELSE BUT “FOR HIM ” SO NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY IT SAYS ;
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”AND WHEN CHRIST SAYS THAT HE IS THE LIFE AND THE DOOR ,DO NOW UNDERSTAND WHY OR IS YET NOT CLEAR
Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2014,07:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,05:41) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2014,21:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,06:17)
Isaiah 9:7
Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.Jesus isn't going anywhere……….. EVER.
The Word of God will rule for a thousand years…………
Wakeup: He will rule for only a thousand years, and then go away.God: There will be no end to his government. He will rule from David's throne forever.
That would contradict; if you believe that He is just a spokesman. Then he would just vanish away;be discarded
like used tissue paper.
What? Why?Elijah was a spokesman/prophet of God, just like Jesus. I don't imagine Elijah is going to be “discarded
like used tissue paper.”I don't think that about Peter, John, Samuel, David, Paul, Elisha, Moses, Abraham, etc……………..
So why would I (or you) think such a strange thing about God's prophet Jesus?
Hi MB,
“Elijah was a spokesman/prophet of God, just like Jesus.”
That is positiveOf course the Spirit of Christ was in the prophets too[1 Peter 1]
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2014,08:12) Hi MB,
“Elijah was a spokesman/prophet of God, just like Jesus.”
That is positiveOf course the Spirit of Christ was in the prophets too[1 Peter 1]
Nick1Pe 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care,
did all the prophets spoke of the grace to come
Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2014,01:21) Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2014,19:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,05:41) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2014,21:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,06:17)
Isaiah 9:7
Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.Jesus isn't going anywhere……….. EVER.
The Word of God will rule for a thousand years…………
Wakeup: He will rule for only a thousand years, and then go away.God: There will be no end to his government. He will rule from David's throne forever.
That would contradict; if you believe that He is just a spokesman. Then he would just vanish away;be discarded
like used tissue paper.But he is not just a spokesman.
The Word of God is God's image.
He would simply remove the mirror.
We will deal with HIM face to face.
If you can understand what I am saying.wakeup.
WAKEUPI cannot understand what you getting at,because scriptures do not support what you say ,
Christ being the only son of God ,is also “the word of God”
but read what it says in scriptures ;
Col 1:16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and FOR HIM
do you understand what that mean “FOR HIM” THIS SAYS IT ALL DOES IT ” NOT FOR US NOT FOR ANYONE ELSE BUT “FOR HIM ” SO NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY IT SAYS ;
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”AND WHEN CHRIST SAYS THAT HE IS THE LIFE AND THE DOOR ,DO NOW UNDERSTAND WHY OR IS YET NOT CLEAR
T.Stand in front of the mirror; what do you see?
You see your express image.
If you lift up your hand, your image will do the same.
If you open your mouth;your image will do the same.Now picture God can seperate that image, and give him
a flesh body; on to earth.
What God says he says;what God does: He does.
*God says for our ears to hear*: God speaking: I and my Father are one.
Jesus repeats it instantly:I and my Father are one.Now that image of God finished his work on earth.
He was taken up sitting next to God,because He has another
work to do. He will come again in the image of God;called the Word of God. When He has done his final work on earth.
God will remove that mirror image,then we see God as he is.
God will be all in all.This can not happen if that image is another created creature.
Because there is only one God we worship.
God and His own image;there is none else but God.You and your image looks like two of you: but you are not two; you are one.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2014,13:35) Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2014,01:21) Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2014,19:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,05:41) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2014,21:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,06:17)
Isaiah 9:7
Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.Jesus isn't going anywhere……….. EVER.
The Word of God will rule for a thousand years…………
Wakeup: He will rule for only a thousand years, and then go away.God: There will be no end to his government. He will rule from David's throne forever.
That would contradict; if you believe that He is just a spokesman. Then he would just vanish away;be discarded
like used tissue paper.But he is not just a spokesman.
The Word of God is God's image.
He would simply remove the mirror.
We will deal with HIM face to face.
If you can understand what I am saying.wakeup.
WAKEUPI cannot understand what you getting at,because scriptures do not support what you say ,
Christ being the only son of God ,is also “the word of God”
but read what it says in scriptures ;
Col 1:16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and FOR HIM
do you understand what that mean “FOR HIM” THIS SAYS IT ALL DOES IT ” NOT FOR US NOT FOR ANYONE ELSE BUT “FOR HIM ” SO NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY IT SAYS ;
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”AND WHEN CHRIST SAYS THAT HE IS THE LIFE AND THE DOOR ,DO NOW UNDERSTAND WHY OR IS YET NOT CLEAR
T.Stand in front of the mirror; what do you see?
You see your express image.
If you lift up your hand, your image will do the same.
If you open your mouth;your image will do the same.Now picture God can seperate that image, and give him
a flesh body; on to earth.
What God says he says;what God does: He does.
*God says for our ears to hear*: God speaking: I and my Father are one.
Jesus repeats it instantly:I and my Father are one.Now that image of God finished his work on earth.
He was taken up sitting next to God,because He has another
work to do. He will come again in the image of God;called the Word of God. When He has done his final work on earth.
God will remove that mirror image,then we see God as he is.
God will be all in all.This can not happen if that image is another created creature.
Because there is only one God we worship.
God and His own image;there is none else but God.You and your image looks like two of you: but you are not two; you are one.
wakeup.
wupwhen you explain some things of the scriptures do not use stupid analogies from the world ,
but from the truth in scriptures ,I would be able to understand them better
I give you scriptures so please return to me the same respect ,
and sins i quote you scriptures it would be nice if you show me in those scriptures what I have not understood ,and prove it by adding your scriptures that you think would enlightened my view ,so I could learn from it ,
not like Nick useless comment ,
Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2014,01:39) Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2014,13:35) Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2014,01:21) Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2014,19:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,05:41) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2014,21:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,06:17)
Isaiah 9:7
Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.Jesus isn't going anywhere……….. EVER.
The Word of God will rule for a thousand years…………
Wakeup: He will rule for only a thousand years, and then go away.God: There will be no end to his government. He will rule from David's throne forever.
That would contradict; if you believe that He is just a spokesman. Then he would just vanish away;be discarded
like used tissue paper.But he is not just a spokesman.
The Word of God is God's image.
He would simply remove the mirror.
We will deal with HIM face to face.
If you can understand what I am saying.wakeup.
WAKEUPI cannot understand what you getting at,because scriptures do not support what you say ,
Christ being the only son of God ,is also “the word of God”
but read what it says in scriptures ;
Col 1:16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and FOR HIM
do you understand what that mean “FOR HIM” THIS SAYS IT ALL DOES IT ” NOT FOR US NOT FOR ANYONE ELSE BUT “FOR HIM ” SO NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY IT SAYS ;
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”AND WHEN CHRIST SAYS THAT HE IS THE LIFE AND THE DOOR ,DO NOW UNDERSTAND WHY OR IS YET NOT CLEAR
T.Stand in front of the mirror; what do you see?
You see your express image.
If you lift up your hand, your image will do the same.
If you open your mouth;your image will do the same.Now picture God can seperate that image, and give him
a flesh body; on to earth.
What God says he says;what God does: He does.
*God says for our ears to hear*: God speaking: I and my Father are one.
Jesus repeats it instantly:I and my Father are one.Now that image of God finished his work on earth.
He was taken up sitting next to God,because He has another
work to do. He will come again in the image of God;called the Word of God. When He has done his final work on earth.
God will remove that mirror image,then we see God as he is.
God will be all in all.This can not happen if that image is another created creature.
Because there is only one God we worship.
God and His own image;there is none else but God.You and your image looks like two of you: but you are not two; you are one.
wakeup.
wupwhen you explain some things of the scriptures do not use stupid analogies from the world ,
but from the truth in scriptures ,I would be able to understand them better
I give you scriptures so please return to me the same respect ,
and sins i quote you scriptures it would be nice if you show me in those scriptures what I have not understood ,and prove it by adding your scriptures that you think would enlightened my view ,so I could learn from it ,
not like Nick useless comment ,
Jesus is the IMAGE of God.
You can believe this or you can reject.
God's image can not be some other; but Himself.wakeup.
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