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Journey;That was EXcellllent.

wakeup.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE VERSES SHE QUOTED

The whole post is excellent.

wakeup.

wup

well only the scriptures are true and of God no

May 23, 2014 at 2:14 am#383646

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Also I do not know how to use those tools on the internet to verify what you say. I've tried and I find it very frustrating. Those sites you gave me, Biblos and Net bible seem very bias, and seem to show how they translated other versions except the KJV.

Hi journey,

I don't know of Bible site that DOESN'T have the KJV as one of it's translations.

I'm glad that you acknowledge that the people who translated the KJV were “learned scholars”. You personally think they were more than this, and that they were also “inspired by God Himself”. But the amount of mistakes in that translation should tell you you're wrong about that. Even the NKJV corrects many of the original KJV's blatant errors in translation.

Let me give you a very short lesson:

Psalms 48:13 NET ©
Consider its defenses! 1 Walk through 2 its fortresses, so you can tell the next generation about it! 3

Note #2 says:

The precise meaning of the Hebrew word translated “walk through,” which occurs only here in the OT, is uncertain. Cf. NEB “pass…in review”; NIV “view.”

Here are some of the ways different translations have rendered that unknown word:

NIV ©
view her citadels,

NASB ©
Go through her palaces,

NLT ©
tour all the citadels,

MSG ©
climb her citadel heights

BBE ©
look well at its fair buildings;

NRSV ©
go through its citadels,

KJV & NKJV ©
Consider her palaces;

The fact is that the Hebrew OT is loaded with words that are only used once, and whose meaning is unclear.

The difference between the KJV and the newer English Bibles is that we have uncovered many more ancient writings during the 400 years since the KJV was produced.

So while the KJV scholars might have had to guess at the meaning of 1000 unknown Hebrew words, the newer scholars have to guess at maybe only 50 words or so. And that is because we have found ancient writings since the time of the KJV, that have those very words in them, and we can decipher from the context of these other writings what those words meant.

For example:

Proverbs 8:22 NET ©
The LORD created 1 me as the beginning 2 of his works, 3 before his deeds of long ago.

Note #1 says:

There are two roots קָנָה (qanah) in Hebrew, one meaning “to possess,” and the other meaning “to create.”

The earlier English versions did not know of the second root, but suspected in certain places that a meaning like that was necessary (e.g., Gen 4:1; 14:19; Deut 32:6).

Ugaritic confirmed that it was indeed another root.

The older versions have the translation “possess” because otherwise it sounds like God lacked wisdom and therefore created it at the beginning. They wanted to avoid saying that wisdom was not eternal.

So the “older versions”, like the KJV, SUSPECTED that the Hebrew word “qanah” had a root that meant “to create”. And if you look up the three verses they listed, especially Gen 14:19 and Deut 32:6, you'll see that a meaning of “create” is indeed intended.

But they weren't SURE about it at that time. But since the time of the KJV, we've uncovered other ancient writings where that word is undeniably used with a meaning of “to create”. And so now, the suspicion that the earlier translators had has been confirmed.

But this is just one example of us knowing more now than the KJV people did back then.

Do YOU know more about the teachings of the scriptures now, than you did 10 years ago? Of course you do.

Well, the more recent translators haven't had just 10 more years of study……… they've had 400 more years of study, journey. Don't you think that 400 years of studying Hebrew and Greek literature and culture would gain you at least a LITTLE more understanding? Of course it would.

So the scholars of today have the advantage of those extra 400 years of research. That was an advantage the KJV people never had.

The scholars of today also have the advantage of recently discovered mss – the oldest ones we've ever found. They are translating from mss that are way closer to the original writings – and have way less scribal alterations and additions than the more recent mss.

For example, take 1 John 5:7………..

800 years after Jesus died, a scribe was making a copy of a Greek manuscript. In his copy, he added those extra words that the KJV has in 1 John 5:7 – but he put those words IN THE MARGIN.

600 years later, another scribe was making a copy of the ms where those extra words were in the margin, and that scribe actually put those words INTO THE TEXT of the scripture in his copy.

300 years after that, the KJV people made their English translation FROM that ms where the scribe placed those marginal words in the text.

And THAT is why the KJV has those extra words that no recent English Bible has, journey. We KNOW this is how it happened, because we POSSESS that 9th century mss where the scribe put those extra words IN THE MARGIN.

And we POSSESS the 14th century ms where those words jumped from the MARGIN into the actual TEXT.

So can you see that for 800 years, 1 John 5:7 didn't have those extra words in it. It wasn't originally written by John with those extra words in it.

The problem began when one scribe added his own words to the MARGIN, and then a later scribe put that first scribe's words into the TEXT.

And then the KJV people used that flawed text to make their English translation. And the reason no recent English translation has those extra words is because they now KNOW exactly how those extra words came to be. They KNOW the words are not original, and they therefore don't put them in their translations.

So you can see that the older the ms is, the closer to the time of the original it is. And that means there was less time for scribes to ADD their own thoughts into the scriptures, thereby ALTERING what the original scripture said.

That's another reason that the KJV has many flaws, journey. It was translated from some of the MOST RECENT mss there are……… the ones with years of ADDITIONS and ALTERATIONS performed by years of different scribes.

To get closer to the original words of the scriptures, we must get mss that are closer to the original time the scriptures were written.

We now have MUCH older and better mss than the KJV people ever had.

Anyway, this was all just for your informational benefit. My next post will get back to the discussion at hand………

May 23, 2014 at 2:24 am#383650

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Okay journey,

Now that you've finally decided to grace us with your presence again, let's start right where we left off.

YOU said that the child born to us was the MAN Jesus Christ. And YOU said that this man never was our Heavenly Father, and never will be our Heavenly Father.

So I want to know WHY you think he would ever be CALLED our Heavenly Father.

I have quoted four different scriptures so far that show that the Hebrew word for “father” is sometimes used for a BENEFACTOR, or PROTECTOR. Here is the latest one I just posted for Wakeup:

Isaiah 22:21 KJV
And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

In the above scripture, the word “father” is used of a “benefactor/protector”.

Here is another one:

Job 29:16 KJV
I was a father to the poor: and the cause which I knew not I searched out.

In the above verse, the word “father” refers to a “benefactor/protector”.

So………. is it possible that Jesus will be called “everlasting father” because he will be our benefactor/protector for eternity? YES or NO?

May 23, 2014 at 2:36 am#383658

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

You believe that God can not protect his Holy Word,from being corrupted.
So you have to search out for your self,using your own wisdom. So you can pick cherries.
Just pick what suits your doctrine.

wakeup.

WAKEUP

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

i DO BELIEVE THAT AS WELL ,EXCEPT THAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS THE “KJV” WHILE I DO NOT

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT VERSION SPIRIT ,ONLY THE LANGUAGE ,YOU UNDERSTAND BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT GOD AS PROTECTED ,

IF YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND TRUTH YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ,

Show me which bible God has refined seven times.

wakeup.

Terra??
Have you close shop??

wakeup.

May 23, 2014 at 2:39 am#383661

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

You believe that God can not protect his Holy Word,from being corrupted.
So you have to search out for your self,using your own wisdom. So you can pick cherries.
Just pick what suits your doctrine.

wakeup.

WAKEUP

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

i DO BELIEVE THAT AS WELL ,EXCEPT THAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS THE “KJV” WHILE I DO NOT

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT VERSION SPIRIT ,ONLY THE LANGUAGE ,YOU UNDERSTAND BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT GOD AS PROTECTED ,

IF YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND TRUTH YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ,

Show me which bible God has refined seven times.

wakeup.

Terra??
Have you close shop??

wakeup.

WUP

no,BUT i WAITE FOR YOU TO SHOW ME WERE IT IS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES THAT HE REFINED THE “KJV” SEVEN TIMES

AND DO NOT RUN AWAY ;SONNY ,IT WILL LOOK AS A LIE

May 23, 2014 at 2:49 am#383667

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I have also noticed that you disregard this scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

YOU HAD TO GO SHOPPING;WHEN IT SAYS ALL SCRIPTURE.

What exactly is “scripture”, Wakeup? Isn't “scripture” the ORIGINAL WRITINGS of the men who wrote the scriptures – as inspired by God?

So then, is the following “scripture”?

John 1:18 New International Version
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Was the man Jesus Christ REALLY “God”, Wakeup? Should I believe that completely biased and screwed up translation because it is “scripture”?

No, “scripture” is not the travesty displayed by the NIV above. “Scripture” is not the English TRANSLATION of the KJV, the NWT, the NIV, the CEB, the NET, or ANY other English Bible.

“Scripture” is the ORIGINAL Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words that were written down by men of God thousands of years ago.

So for example, just because those added words of 1 John 5:7 are IN the KJV, it doesn't mean those words are “scripture”, Wakeup. Because those words WEREN'T in the ORIGINAL writings. And those ORIGINAL writings are the “scriptures”.

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Your quote regarding Jesus, explained by that scolar,
is of no use.For he is wrong saying Jesus will rule forever.
He will only rule for a thousand years.

God bless you for actually reading it! I am truly sorry that you are so confused that you think our Lord and King Jesus Christ is going to just “disappear” back inside of God as a literal spoken word again.

Isaiah 9:7
Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.

I'm sorry you don't believe this scripture.

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What ever your conclusion. Lets not forget what God said.
He said: There is no God beside me;beside me there is no saviour. Everything is made by the breath of his mouth.If your conclusion contradic this; then it is wrong.
Then you need to go back to the drawing board;if you are honest enough.

So then Jesus was NOT our Savior, like the scriptures say?

And if everything was made by the breath of Jehovah's mouth, LIKE I TEACH, that means those things WEREN'T created by some other being who used to be a word inside of God, right?

And finally, Jehovah is the God OF gods, Wakeup. Scripture tells us this fact. And there is no way one can be the God OF gods, if there literally exists only ONE god.

You need to learn how to discern the scriptures, my friend. I'm here to help you.

As for being “honest enough”, I'd say that you have no room to talk. You can't even address these “father” scriptures I've been showing you, or directly answer my questions that prove your theory to be wrong.

Too much pride, I guess.

May 23, 2014 at 2:52 am#383668

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

You believe that God can not protect his Holy Word,from being corrupted.
So you have to search out for your self,using your own wisdom. So you can pick cherries.
Just pick what suits your doctrine.

wakeup.

WAKEUP

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

i DO BELIEVE THAT AS WELL ,EXCEPT THAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS THE “KJV” WHILE I DO NOT

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT VERSION SPIRIT ,ONLY THE LANGUAGE ,YOU UNDERSTAND BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT GOD AS PROTECTED ,

IF YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND TRUTH YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ,

Show me which bible God has refined seven times.

wakeup.

wup

no,you show me that God as refined the kjv seven times ,

Always answer a question with a question.
Which of all the bibles has been purified seven times??
Dont Know,but can comment??

wakeup.

May 23, 2014 at 2:58 am#383670

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AND DO NOT RUN AWAY ;SONNY ,IT WILL LOOK AS A LIE

Yeah………. what he said!

Wakeup, do you really think the other members and readers of this site can't SEE when you're running away from things you can't defend, refute, or support?

The minute a person REFUSES to answer a direct question, and instead starts blathering about this, that, and the other thing – we all know what's going on. The one blathering has lost the point, knows it, but doesn't want to admit it.

Don't be that person, Wakeup. I even mentioned you by name yesterday to Nick when I was asking Nick to NOT be like you.

You don't really want that reputation, do you? As a coward who is willing to spout a bunch of things, but is unable or unwilling to stand and defend those things?

I wouldn't want it. That's why I ANSWER the questions posed to me – even when I know those questions are DIVERSIONS intended to move the discussion farther away from MY questions.

May 23, 2014 at 3:07 am#383675

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

You believe that God can not protect his Holy Word,from being corrupted.
So you have to search out for your self,using your own wisdom. So you can pick cherries.
Just pick what suits your doctrine.

wakeup.

WAKEUP

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

i DO BELIEVE THAT AS WELL ,EXCEPT THAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS THE “KJV” WHILE I DO NOT

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT VERSION SPIRIT ,ONLY THE LANGUAGE ,YOU UNDERSTAND BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT GOD AS PROTECTED ,

IF YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND TRUTH YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ,

Show me which bible God has refined seven times.

wakeup.

Terra??
Have you close shop??

wakeup.

WUP

no,BUT i WAITE FOR YOU TO SHOW ME WERE IT IS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES THAT HE REFINED THE “KJV” SEVEN TIMES

AND DO NOT RUN AWAY ;SONNY ,IT WILL LOOK AS A LIE

You are proven to be an accuser.

Psalms 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth,
***purified seven times***.

What now? Are you going to appologize??

wakeup.

May 23, 2014 at 3:48 am#383696

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Terra??
Have you close shop?

wakeup.

May 23, 2014 at 4:56 am#383707

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AND DO NOT RUN AWAY ;SONNY ,IT WILL LOOK AS A LIE

Yeah………. what he said!

Wakeup, do you really think the other members and readers of this site can't SEE when you're running away from things you can't defend, refute, or support?

Don't be that person, Wakeup. I even mentioned you by name yesterday to Nick when I was asking Nick to NOT be like you.

You don't really want that reputation, do you? As a coward who is willing to spout a bunch of things, but is unable or unwilling to stand and defend those things?

I wouldn't want it. That's why I ANSWER the questions posed to me – even when I know those questions are DIVERSIONS intended to move the discussion farther away from MY questions.

Dont think for a moment That I am running away.
I believe that the Word of God can not be broken.Period.
Yet many have broken it by doctoring the words.

How can one know that it has been doctored?
One with full understanding can notice it right away, if it has been doctored.

God is not ignorant; He has preserved his Word, so it wont be turned into confusion.He knows how satan works.

How did he do it?
Anyone that change the words for own gain will find
themselves trapped at the end. Because they will find many contradictions.

So what do they do? They keep on corrupting it, everytime
they find any contradictions. And so it goes on.
Your interpretation is already full of contradictions.

So what can you do? Go for more information to patch up the holes. But the holes will keep on coming up.

You said: The spokesman was born in heaven first.
Created by God himself.
Contradicting john's words: WITHOUT THE WORD WAS ***NOTHING*** MADE THAT WAS MADE.
NOTHING MEANS EXACTLY NOTHING.NO BUTS.

So what do you do? You try to find scriptures to contradict
what John had said.

You could not find it in the scriptures. So what do you do?
You go shopping amongst the scribes to find one.
THEY ARE VERY CRAFTY WITH WORDS;AND YOU NEED THEM. THE TONGUE HAS NO BONES. IT CAN TURN AND TWIST AT WILL.

Your faith in God is not there. You have ignored His words.
He said: ALL SCRIPTURE IS BY THE INSPIRATION OF GOD.
Good for doctrine and reproof.

You are contradicting that also : You said: that can not be true,because there are many contradictions. time for some more shopping.

You have not yet picked up: that the words you are reading in the bible is the flesh of Chris; the spirit of it.
His flesh is never corrupted. Man can not do that without getting into confusion.

No one can clone Jesus's own flesh.The spirit in the words
can not be corrupted by man or devil.

There is one bible translation that God has purified seven times. And which one? The one with no contradictions.
He can we know that? We can know that by seeking,then we can see that a true picture can be formed.
Not when it is corrupted. That picture will never immerge.

You have a long way to go Mike;you need to understand the prophesies as well, to be able to notice the twisting of words done.

Any glossy looking bible can never produce the true picture.
Or no picture at all.
Once you have that true picture;you can see any mistranslations right away.
The picture they have produced so far, is full of patched up holes. With pieces that dont fit.

That is why I have posted all those teacings that is contradictory to scriptures.

Never shoot the messenger; shoot the message with your message. All done in faith;for the good.

wakeup.

May 23, 2014 at 4:56 am#383708

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

You believe that God can not protect his Holy Word,from being corrupted.
So you have to search out for your self,using your own wisdom. So you can pick cherries.
Just pick what suits your doctrine.

wakeup.

WAKEUP

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

i DO BELIEVE THAT AS WELL ,EXCEPT THAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS THE “KJV” WHILE I DO NOT

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT VERSION SPIRIT ,ONLY THE LANGUAGE ,YOU UNDERSTAND BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT GOD AS PROTECTED ,

IF YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND TRUTH YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ,

Show me which bible God has refined seven times.

wakeup.

Terra??
Have you close shop??

wakeup.

WUP

no,BUT i WAITE FOR YOU TO SHOW ME WERE IT IS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES THAT HE REFINED THE “KJV” SEVEN TIMES

AND DO NOT RUN AWAY ;SONNY ,IT WILL LOOK AS A LIE

You are proven to be an accuser.

Psalms 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth,
***purified seven times***.

What now? Are you going to appologize??

wakeup.

Wakeup

Mike just told you not to do what you just did but I see that you cannot help it tis must be your nature , corruption as sink deep in some , running away mean your refusal stands for a lie

May 23, 2014 at 5:01 am#383710

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W up

I still wait for my answer ,

May 23, 2014 at 5:06 am#383713

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W up

I still wait for my answer ,

I never expect you to appologize;that only humbles you.
You are too big for that.

wakeup.

May 23, 2014 at 3:44 pm#383761

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W up

I still wait for my answer ,

I never expect you to appologize;that only humbles you.
You are too big for that.

wakeup.

wakeup

that does not answer my question

May 24, 2014 at 2:41 am#383826

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W up

I still wait for my answer ,

Terra.

You accused me; I bring forth the evidence.
Are you now as a true christian, going to make an apology?
If not, than you are a fake christian.Period.

wakeup.

May 25, 2014 at 1:23 am#384019

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Yet many have broken it by doctoring the words.

Yes……. the KJV for one.

Wakeup, I COULD spend a lot of time going through all of the misunderstandings you just posted – for about the 20th time. But that would only enable you once again to AVOID our current point of discussion.

So far, you, journey, and I all agree that the child who was born to us was the HUMAN BEING, Jesus Christ.

We all also seem to agree that this HUMAN BEING never has been our Heavenly Father, and never will be our Heavenly Father.

Yet Isaiah said the child born to us WILL be called “everlasting father”.

So, what's the answer, Wakeup? That this child who WON'T EVER BE our Heavenly Father will be addressed as if he IS our Heavenly Father?

Or, does the following use of “father” fit the context of Isaiah 9:6 better:

Isaiah 22:21
…….and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

Common sense should tell you that if this child born to us ISN'T going to be our Heavenly Father, then the meaning of “father” in Isaiah 22:21 fits the context of Isaiah 9:6 much better.

But in order for you to understand this easy teaching, you must first admit that your previous understanding was flawed. And your pride won't allow you to do that, will it?

So you will instead continue to tell me how the child born to us WASN'T ever going to be our Heavenly Father, but would be called our Heavenly Father anyway…….. right?

Is that really the best solution, Wakeup?

May 25, 2014 at 1:28 am#384020

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Show me which bible God has refined seven times.

Wakeup,

The scripture you posted doesn't mention any specific translation of God's word. It doesn't mention any specific “Bible”.

So how exactly did your scripture “prove” anything to Pierre?

May 25, 2014 at 3:04 am#384030

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Show me which bible God has refined seven times.

Wakeup,

The scripture you posted doesn't mention any specific translation of God's word. It doesn't mention any specific “Bible”.

So how exactly did your scripture “prove” anything to Pierre?

Mike B.

If you keep on rejecting scriprures that does not agree with you. You will always reject proof of scriptures given to you.

Mike; your word is not a seperate thing to you.
We are all judged here on HN by our word.
You can keep in your word, or you can spread it out.
You are in charge.The power in you, is the power of your word.A kings word has more power than yours and mine.

***If you have the power of God;you can also give him a
form.***

***Which you believe strongly, that GOD can not do this
thing***.

The almighty that you believe in; is not really allmighty,
in your eyes.

wakeup.

May 25, 2014 at 3:27 am#384042