Wakeup, journey mike only

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2014,13:45)

The Hebrew words say, “from days of old, ancient times”.

That same combination of Hebrew words is used elsewhere in scripture to refer to how old certain trees and mountains on the earth are.

Will you say those trees and mountains of the earth are also “from everlasting”?

It is a bad and biased KJV translation. Here are some better ones for you:

Micah 5:2
NIV ©
“…….whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”

NLT ©
…..whose origins are from the distant past.

NRSV ©
…….whose origin is from of old, from ancient days.

NET ©
………whose origins are in the distant past. 5

Footnote #5 in the NET says:

Heb “from the past, from the days of antiquity.”

Elsewhere both phrases refer to the early periods in the history of the world or of the nation of Israel.

For מִקֶּדֶם (miqqedem, “from the past”) see Neh 12:46; Pss 74:12; 77:11; Isa 45:21; 46:10.

For מִימֵי עוֹלָם (mimey ’olam, “from the days of antiquity”) see Isa 63:9, 11; Amos 9:11; Mic 7:14; Mal 3:4.

In Neh 12:46 and Amos 9:11 the Davidic era is in view.

Wakeup, IF you are interested in the TRUTH of the matter, look up those scriptures that they listed – where the same Hebrews words are used. Tell me which one of those scriptures means “from everlasting”, okay?

Also, consider the word “origins” in all of those translations. Micah wrote this 700 years BEFORE Jesus was born on earth. Yet he said Jesus' “origins” were from the distant past – even from Micah's time frame.

That means Jesus had an ORIGIN long before being born of Mary. The being in heaven who became “Jesus” on earth did NOT exist from eternity, Wakeup. He had a BEGINNING.

This is not really surprising, since Jesus himself said he was the “beginning of the creation by God”.

But you go ahead and keep ignoring these things. I bet you don't even look up ONE of those scripture the NET people listed. Why? Because you don't really want to know the TRUTH of the matter. Finding out the TRUTH will cause you to ADJUST your beliefs. And you are far too prideful to do that, aren't you?

Wakeup, when will you or journey address that one simple question in my last post to her?

Mike B.

1.I am not hebrew,nor greek.

2.Jesus did not mention of having to understand hebrew nor
greek.(He said,my yoke is easy).

3.This kind of defence is not a defence,but a cop out.
if answers in scripripture is not found: go and baffle them
with the translation in hebrew or greek.This is a common
practise.

4.Gentiles with no knowledge of those hebrew/greek words
can have knowledge.The poor and humble will have the
knowledge. Not the high and learned;they always end up
the confused. Depending on their own
wisdom. Waisting their time on books of learned men.

5.Last defence is always by attacking the bible itself; this is
very commonly done. By this, I can see they are
desperate; grasping on straws.

6 Isaiah 9 also mentioned the *THE* mighty God, and
*THE* everlasting father; *THE* prince of peace.
(you gladly change that into *A* Mighty God,*AN*
everlasting Father; *A* prince of peace).Helping and
pleasing yourself on the Word of God.

7.Jesus said, we have only *one God* and *one Father*
wich is in heaven.

8. You and some here: gladly contradict those words spoken,
with no hesitations at all.This has become the normal
thing to do.

9. My conclusion is what scripture says: No one knows the
Son nor the Father;untill it is given from above.

wakeup.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

May 18, 2014 at 5:05 pm#382850

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1.I am not hebrew,nor greek.

Nor am I. But God gave me a brain wonderful enough to learn Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Spanish, German, English, Latin – or any other language I might want to learn.

Perhaps God did not create you with a brain as wonderful as mine?

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2.Jesus did not mention of having to understand hebrew nor greek.

Jesus SPOKE in Hebrew and Greek, Wakeup. In order to know the exact meaning of the things Jesus taught, we owe it to ourselves to learn a little bit about the languages he actually taught in.

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3.This kind of defence is not a defence,but a cop out. if answers in scripripture is not found: go and baffle them with the translation in hebrew or greek.This is a common practise.

Are you baffled by this? Why? Here is the first scripture listed by NETNotes in that last post to you:

Nehemiah 12:46 KJV
For in the days of David and Asaph of old there were chief of the singers, and songs of praise and thanksgiving unto God.

The Hebrew word translated by the KJV scholars as “days” is “yowm”. The Hebrew word translated by the KJV scholars as “of old” is “qedem”.

So we know that “yowm qedem” means “days of old” – just like the KJV people translated it in the above verse.

This is one of the phrases used in Micah 5:2, Wakeup. But instead of translating it as “days of old”, like they do in Nehemiah, the KJV people translated the SAME EXACT HEBREW WORDS as “from everlasting” in Micah 5:2.

Why do you suppose they would translate “yowm qedem” as “days of old” in Nehemiah, but as “from everlasting” in Micah? Do you think that perhaps BIAS came into play in Micah? Do you think that perhaps they knew Micah was about JESUS, and since they WANT Jesus to have been “from everlasting”, they translated the words in a way that would make regular people like you and me THINK Jesus was “from everlasting”?

Here is the second verse mentioned in NETNotes:

Psalm 74:12 KJV
For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth.

Again, the Hebrew word is “qedem”….. and once again, the KJV people translated it as “of old” – NOT as “from everlasting”.

I could go through all of those scriptures listed by NETNotes, and show you the same thing. And NETNotes didn't even list ALL of the scriptures that have those Hebrew words, Wakeup. There are hundreds of them.

And if I went through ALL OF THEM with you, you'd see that the KJV translates those Hebrew words, over and over, as “days of old”. But in Micah 5:2, they chose to translate the same Hebrew words as “from everlasting”.

If this doesn't show you their Trinitarian bias, then you are only fooling yourself. And in that case, YOU are the one using a “cop out”. Your “cop out” is, “The KJV was personally inspired by God Himself, so I don't CARE what the original Hebrew and Greek words actually taught!”

The following scripture is about you, Wakeup:

John 12
42 Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not openly acknowledge their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved human praise more than praise from God.

You believe in Jesus. But you praise the KJV translation more than the Hebrew and Greek words God, Jesus, and the Apostles actually spoke.

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4.Gentiles with no knowledge of those hebrew/greek words can have knowledge.The poor and humble will have the knowledge. Not the high and learned;they always end up the confused. Depending on their own wisdom. Waisting their time on books of learned men.

The KJV IS “a book of learned men”, Wakeup. Unfortunately, those “learned men” were also very BIASED, and wanted their personal “book of higher learning” to teach us that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of.

I mean, look at your confusion. You seriously believe the child who was born to us would be called “THE Everlasting Father”, because he would someday go back inside of the God he came out of. And you believe this nonsense simply BECAUSE of the flawed way the “learned men” of the KJV decided to translate Hebrew and Greek words.

(Btw, most of the Gentiles who lived in the days of Jesus and the Apostles DID know the Greek language. That's why the NT was written in the Greek language.)

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5.Last defence is always by attacking the bible itself; this is very commonly done. By this, I can see they are desperate; grasping on straws.

Yes, I too can see how these Trinitarian translators attack the Bible itself by trying to force their own personal bias into the Hebrew and Greek words.

When they do this, they are “grasping at straws” – because they know the original text of the Bible doesn't come close to teaching their version of the truth. So they take it upon themselves to “help the scriptures out a little bit”.

And by doing so, they indeed “attack the Bible itself”.

Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2014,21:38)

No, Wakeup. The word “THE” is not in the Hebrew text. The NKJV doesn't even use it.

That was another ADDITION to the Hebrew words by the “learned men” who translated the KJV. It was another attempt by them to force Jesus into BEING the very God he is the Son of.

Isaiah 9:6
NET ©
and is called: Extraordinary Strategist, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

NIV ©
And he will be called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

NASB ©
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

NLT ©
These will be his royal titles: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

MSG ©
His names will be: Amazing Counselor, Strong God, Eternal Father, Prince of Wholeness.

BBE ©
and he has been named Wise Guide, St
rong God, Father for ever, Prince of Peace.

NRSV ©
and he is named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

NKJV ©
And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Can you point out “THE Everlasting Father” in any of those translations? No? That's because “THE” isn't even in the Hebrew text, Wakeup.

Besides, even the Trinitarians don't believe Jesus is The Father, right? So there is no sense to the way they translate Is 9:6 – because we all know that the child born to us was NOT our everlasting Heavenly Father.

So either way you slice it, the words “everlasting father” absolutely MUST refer to something other than “our Father, Jehovah”.

I have already used Job 29:16 to show you the true and logical meaning of “everlasting father (benefactor)”. I have yet to receive a response from you about Job 29:16….. which is par for the course with you, Wakeup. You never actually ADDRESS the good things I show you.

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7.Jesus said, we have only *one God* and *one Father* wich is in heaven.

And did Jesus say HE was that “one God” and “one Father”? Or did he say it was someone OTHER THAN him?

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8. You and some here: gladly contradict those words spoken, with no hesitations at all.This has become the normal thing to do.

Says the man who thinks the SON born to us is identified AS our heavenly Father, and that our heavenly Father is a PRINCE!

Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2014,21:38)

Good. Now we are back on track with what this discussion is SUPPOSED TO BE about………..

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So yes, the man Jesus Christ can never be the Father.

And who is Isaiah 9:6 about, journey?

Isn't it about “the man, Jesus Christ”?

So if the person 9:6 is actually about “can never be the Father” – then why on earth would 9:6 say he would be called “everlasting father”?

That, my friend, is the ONLY question waiting for an answer from you and journey.

I have taken HOURS out of my life to address these diversions you keep posting. I do it because I hope that someday, some of these things I'm showing you will finally begin to sink into your brain.

But enough is enough, Wakeup. It's time for you and journey to answer MY QUESTION in the quote box above.

Ready, set, GO!

May 20, 2014 at 9:53 am#383107

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Yes Mike we know;You are the brain studying linguistics.
We are just fisherman.
Spend your precious time where your heart is.
After all: your teachers have not been given the understanding of the mystery. Some of them must believe in the trinity.

The jews are confused ; the greeks are in the trinity;and you are confused because of depending on them for wisdom.

PS. Your questions are too shallow us to answer.
It is based on secular thinking.

wakeup.

May 20, 2014 at 12:10 pm#383115

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Quote (Wakeup @ May 20 2014,15:53)

The jews are confused ; the greeks are in the trinity;and you are confused because of depending on them for wisdom.

PS. Your questions are too shallow us to answer.
It is based on secular thinking.

wakeup.

wakeup

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PS. Your questions are too shallow us to answer.
It is based on secular thinking.

:laugh: this type of answers make you a fake and untrue teacher sonny ,

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Yes Mike we know;You are the brain studying linguistics.
We are just fisherman.

even peter the fisherman knew who Christ was ;THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD ,and it was not by ignorance he said this ,BUT IT WAS A UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HE SAW AND HEARD AND OF WHAT HE KNEW OF GOD'S TRUTH THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD COULD BRING IT TO HIS MIND ,

BUT YOU REJECTING KNOWLEDGE THAT SHOWS YOUR IGNORANCE IN SCRIPTURES ,THIS SHOWS YOUR REJECTION FOR KNOWING THE TRUTH IN SCRIPTURES '

AND SO MAKE YOU A FAKE TEACHER OR A STORY TELLER

May 21, 2014 at 5:31 am#383244

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Quote (Wakeup @ May 20 2014,15:53)

The jews are confused ; the greeks are in the trinity;and you are confused because of depending on them for wisdom.

PS. Your questions are too shallow us to answer.
It is based on secular thinking.

wakeup.

wakeup

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PS. Your questions are too shallow us to answer.
It is based on secular thinking.

:laugh: this type of answers make you a fake and untrue teacher sonny ,

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Yes Mike we know;You are the brain studying linguistics.
We are just fisherman.

BUT YOU REJECTING KNOWLEDGE THAT SHOWS YOUR IGNORANCE IN SCRIPTURES ,THIS SHOWS YOUR REJECTION FOR KNOWING THE TRUTH IN SCRIPTURES '

AND SO MAKE YOU A FAKE TEACHER OR A STORY TELLER

Spirual knowledge can not be understood using mans
wisdom.

The Word was God, and the word was with God,
can not be understood using mans commonsense.
Mike's questions are using man's logic and commonsense.

You Terra are also using man's commonsense.
You have not reached the spiritual level.
And so is the christian world.

wakeup.

May 22, 2014 at 2:13 am#383406

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Your questions are too shallow us to answer.

Do you speak for journey as well?

Perhaps some day you'll change your mind, Wakeup.

May 22, 2014 at 2:16 am#383408

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Mike's questions are using man's logic and commonsense.

As opposed to what, Wakeup? What should I be using?

May 22, 2014 at 2:33 am#383418

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The jews are confused ; the greeks are in the trinity;and you are confused because of depending on them for wisdom.

PS. Your questions are too shallow us to answer.
It is based on secular thinking.

wakeup.

wakeup

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PS. Your questions are too shallow us to answer.
It is based on secular thinking.

:laugh: this type of answers make you a fake and untrue teacher sonny ,

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Yes Mike we know;You are the brain studying linguistics.
We are just fisherman.

BUT YOU REJECTING KNOWLEDGE THAT SHOWS YOUR IGNORANCE IN SCRIPTURES ,THIS SHOWS YOUR REJECTION FOR KNOWING THE TRUTH IN SCRIPTURES '

AND SO MAKE YOU A FAKE TEACHER OR A STORY TELLER

Spirual knowledge can not be understood using mans
wisdom.

The Word was God, and the word was with God,
can not be understood using mans commonsense.
Mike's questions are using man's logic and commonsense.

You Terra are also using man's commonsense.
You have not reached the spiritual level.
And so is the christian world.

wakeup.

wakeup

is it not true what I was saying ;that you are a story teller ,

you only degrade others when you are stuck in answers ,

a man of God can and will answer all questions ,honestly not inventing any of them ,like you do

May 22, 2014 at 2:28 pm#383474

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Mike's questions are using man's logic and commonsense.

As opposed to what, Wakeup? What should I be using?

As the scriptures says.

Only the HS can reveal the mysteries of God.
Not some jews learned in hebrew or greek.
The greeks are most trinitarians;this is proof that they have not the truth.The jews could not see that Jesus is the Messiah.
And you are seeking knowledge of them?

Cursed is a man the makes flesh his arm,and not depend on the Lord.

wakeup.

May 22, 2014 at 2:42 pm#383476

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

You believe that God can not protect his Holy Word,from being corrupted.
So you have to search out for your self,using your own wisdom. So you can pick cherries.
Just pick what suits your doctrine.

wakeup.

May 22, 2014 at 4:21 pm#383481

journey42

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Quote (Wakeup @ May 20 2014,03:53)

Your questions are too shallow us to answer.

Do you speak for journey as well?

Perhaps some day you'll change your mind, Wakeup.

Mike

I agree with Wakeup. To us, the relationship between God and “The Word” is clear. This relationship is a “mystery” to the world, but not to those who have the holy spirit.
Wakeup has been explaining and explaining to you hoping that the holy spirit will show you also.
….but instead you bring out the Greek and Hebrew, and start talking to us in a worldly fashion. You are comparing spiritual matters with worldly wisdom, your wisdom is from scholarly men who have practically seduced the whole world into believing that we cannot trust God's Word of which we first received in our language. The one Word that went out to the gentiles, that was authorised by a King whom God chose, not because he was spiritual or trying to change it into a trinitarian type of thing, but because God used him because of his authority to bring this about using the best qualified men at the time. This king virtually changed history, so that this book could be interpreted and read by all english speaking people, without persecution, and true salvation could be offered. The doctrine of this book remains unchanged to this very day. It has not been modernised to keep up with the times, and stands exclusive, but open to all.

So you could say, those men who interpreted the KJV were scholarly also, but I say those men did not come about to hide the Word of God, but to reveal it. They were used as instruments by God.
The difference is that the scholars today, spend all their precious time and efforts getting us not to trust or know the true Word of God which was first delivered to us. They have not come about to give clarity, but confusion.

So to speak on a deeper level, you cannot see how the Devil has sent a flood after the Woman's seed, and the woman's seed depends on the Word of God for truth, for doctrine, for edification, for reproof, for instruction in righteousness, …but now we have all this confusion and division, …divide and conquer,….but the true Word of God has not been touched, as it still remains today, and God is sifting out those who do not wish to feed on the flesh of Christ, who completely ignore this commandment, to be swept away in this flood, and divided from the sheep who hear their shepherds voice. There is only one voice, not many, and we are not required to sift through hundreds of translations, because all that work was done for us already. Satan is very cunning and clever, he has divided the christian world, but many have failed to see this. You cannot see how he has corrupted everything in this world, turned things upside down, but we see clearly, and we were warned of him.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

We do not place our trust in the translators of the KJV, but in God whose hand was upon it, and we trust in God alone who has fulfilled His promises to preserve His inspired words.

So if you want intellectual scholarly conversation about the Hebrew and the Greek, keep in mind that we never studied that, but instead studied the scriptures and have found it to harmonise perfectly leaving no holes.
You want us to explain why they translated this word to say this or that?, well we can't, we were not there, and we were not chosen for this job. All I know is that God's hand was upon it, and if I went and studied all that in college for years and years, then maybe I could answer you, so you should direct those questions at someone else more qualified, and we will answer instead on what we have been taught inside the scriptures we received.

Also I do not know how to use those tools on the internet to verify what you say. I've tried and I find it very frustrating. Those sites you gave me, Biblos and Net bible seem very bias, and seem to show how they translated other versions except the KJV. So you would be quoting things from your perspective with your back up, and not mine.

So we have looked at the changes of the new age versions AS A WHOLE. And those changes make a different doctrine, and can accommodate any religion without offending. It's been done so subtly and gradual, and that's how Satan works.

And I would like to remind you Mike not to talk too proud, for just as God can lift up the humble man, he can cut the proud down also, on that day he has reserved.

May 22, 2014 at 10:34 pm#383558

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Journey;That was EXcellllent.

wakeup.

May 22, 2014 at 10:40 pm#383561

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

You believe that God can not protect his Holy Word,from being corrupted.
So you have to search out for your self,using your own wisdom. So you can pick cherries.
Just pick what suits your doctrine.

wakeup.

WAKEUP

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

i DO BELIEVE THAT AS WELL ,EXCEPT THAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS THE “KJV” WHILE I DO NOT

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT VERSION SPIRIT ,ONLY THE LANGUAGE ,YOU UNDERSTAND BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT GOD AS PROTECTED ,

IF YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND TRUTH YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ,

May 22, 2014 at 10:42 pm#383562

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Quote (Wakeup @ May 23 2014,04:34)

Journey;That was EXcellllent.

wakeup.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE VERSES SHE QUOTED

May 23, 2014 at 12:54 am#383624

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Mike's questions are using man's logic and commonsense.

As opposed to what, Wakeup? What should I be using?

As the scriptures says.

Only the HS can reveal the mysteries of God.
Not some jews learned in hebrew or greek.

So then we shouldn't learn anything about God from Peter, Paul, John, Luke, Matthew, etc?

Because those are the JEWS who wrote the NT in GREEK, Wakeup.

Also, without using YOUR OWN God-given common sense, how are you able to figure out what the Holy Spirit is even revealing to you?

I absolutely HATE IT when people like you and Nick pretend that we aren't supposed to use our God-given common sense, understanding, and discernment. It is such a LAME claim, and is only made by people who try to teach us NONSENSE in the first place.

For example, the Trinitarians teach utter NONSENSE, which is why they are top on the list of people who say things like, “Human beings cannot understand this three in one God with their human brains. The Holy Spirit must show it to you.”

But you and Nick have joined their ranks, Wakeup. I'll let you in on a little secret: The Bible makes PERFECT SENSE to human beings. It was written TO be understood by HUMAN BEINGS – not by angels. So if your personal doctrine is causing you to say things like, “The Holy Spirit must show you this truth”, it is because your personal doctrine is NONSENSE to begin with.

The Bible WAS MEANT to be understood by HUMAN BEINGS, Wakeup.

Now, we know that the CHILD/SON who is to be born to us is none other than the FLESH being of Jesus Christ. You say Jesus Christ never WAS our Heavenly Father, and never WILL BE our Heavenly Father.

And my one question is: Why then would this son who is born to us be CALLED our Heavenly Father?

You don't have an answer to the question, because I've got you stumped. But you have too much pride to admit such a thing.

I've even given you the TRUTHFUL meaning of “everlasting father (benefactor)” – and showed you scriptures that back up my understanding.

Now, I'll offer you some NETNotes – which you probably won't even read:

Everlasting Father: This title must not be taken in an anachronistic Trinitarian sense. (To do so would be theologically problematic, for the “Son” is the messianic king and is distinct in his person from God the “Father.”)

Rather, in its original context the title pictures the king as the protector of his people.

For a similar use of “father” see Isa 22:21 and Job 29:16.

This figurative, idiomatic use of “father” is not limited to the Bible. In a Phoenician inscription (ca. 850-800 b.c.) the ruler Kilamuwa declares: “To some I was a father, to others I was a mother.” In another inscription (ca. 800 b.c.) the ruler Azitawadda boasts that the god Baal made him “a father and a mother” to his people. (See ANET 499-500.)

The use of “everlasting” might suggest the deity of the king (as the one who has total control over eternity), but Isaiah and his audience may have understood the term as royal hyperbole emphasizing the king’s long reign or enduring dynasty (for examples of such hyperbolic language used of the Davidic king, see 1 Kgs 1:31; Pss 21:4-6; 61:6-7; 72:5, 17).

The New Testament indicates that the hyperbolic language (as in the case of the title “Mighty God”) is literally realized in the ultimate fulfillment of the prophecy, for Jesus will rule eternally.

Here is Isaiah 22:21, that they listed:

Isaiah 22:21 KJV
And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

Can you see it yet, Wakeup? Or is your foolish pride keeping you blinded?

May 23, 2014 at 1:03 am#383626

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You believe that God can not protect his Holy Word,from being corrupted.

I believe God HAS indeed protected His written word, Wakeup. Why do you think we even have access to these ancient, original Greek and Hebrew mss in the first place? It's because God has protected His word from the travesties inflicted upon it by Trinitarian English TRANSLATORS.

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So you have to search out for your self,using your own wisdom. So you can pick cherries.
Just pick what suits your doctrine.

Come on, man! How many KJV verses where “father” is used for a “benefactor” will I have to post? I've already posted FOUR of them. How in the world did I “cherry pick” Job 29:16 and Isaiah 22:21? I quoted them word for word right out of the KJV, Wakeup.

And what does the word “father” mean in both of those verses? A LITERAL ancestor? Or a metaphorical BENEFACTOR/PROTECTOR?

But your pride won't even allow you to answer that last simple little question I asked – even though you know full well what the answer is.

How sad for you, Wakeup.

May 23, 2014 at 1:06 am#383627

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Quote (Wakeup @ May 22 2014,20:42)

The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

You believe that God can not protect his Holy Word,from being corrupted.
So you have to search out for your self,using your own wisdom. So you can pick cherries.
Just pick what suits your doctrine.

wakeup.

WAKEUP

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The difference between your believe and mine is.
That I believe that God is capable to protect his Holy Word
from being corrupted.

i DO BELIEVE THAT AS WELL ,EXCEPT THAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS THE “KJV” WHILE I DO NOT

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT VERSION SPIRIT ,ONLY THE LANGUAGE ,YOU UNDERSTAND BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT GOD AS PROTECTED ,

IF YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND TRUTH YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ,

Show me which bible God has refined seven times.

wakeup.

May 23, 2014 at 1:08 am#383628

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Journey;That was EXcellllent.

wakeup.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE VERSES SHE QUOTED

The whole post is excellent.

wakeup.

May 23, 2014 at 2:01 am#383637

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You believe that God can not protect his Holy Word,from being corrupted.

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So you have to search out for your self,using your own wisdom. So you can pick cherries.
Just pick what suits your doctrine.

And what does the word “father” mean in both of those verses? A LITERAL ancestor? Or a metaphorical BENEFACTOR/PROTECTOR?

But your pride won't even allow you to answer that last simple little question I asked – even though you know full well what the answer is.

How sad for you, Wakeup.

Mike B.

I have also noticed that you disregard this scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

YOU HAD TO GO SHOPPING;WHEN IT SAYS ALL SCRIPTURE.
GO SHOPPING TO THE SCRIBES,BECAUSE OF YOUR UNBELIEVE. NO FAITH IN GOD,BUT IN MEN AND YOURSLEF.

All scriptures are inspired by God.
If they are inspired by God;then why is it imposible for God to inspire some of us to understand the deep things of God?

Your quote regarding Jesus, explained by that scolar,
is of no use.For he is wrong saying Jesus will rule forever.
He will only rule for a thousand years.

The whole problem with you is, that you will not believe that God can make His spirit Word manifest.
This can never be according to your human logic.

You also dont believe that there are mysteies not revealed to every Tom, Dick, And Harry.This you can not accept.

They apostles understood everything fully not because of their own wisdom;but because of the gift of the Holy Spirit.
You like to depend on your own wisdom. Big mistake.

If the bible is understood by man;then why all the divisions?
Are they not learned??

Mike;you can disagree, but there is no need to be antagonistic. That is a sign of weakness in defending with scriptures.

What ever your conclusion. Lets not forget what God said.
He said: There is no God beside me;beside me there is no saviour. Everything is made by the breath of his mouth.If your conclusion contradic this; then it is wrong.
Then you need to go back to the drawing board;if you are honest enough.

wakeup.

May 23, 2014 at 2:07 am#383640