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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2014,05:41) Hi WU,
Do you have superior knowledge to everyone else here?
Nick.You can see them by the fruits.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2014,23:45) Hi WU,
True
Nick.What happened to the vig tree that bear no fruits?
It was dried up wasn't it?wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ May 05 2014,21:04) So yes, the man Jesus Christ can never be the Father.
And who is Isaiah 9:6 about, journey?Isn't it about “the man, Jesus Christ”?
So if the person 9:6 is actually about “can never be the Father” – then why on earth would 9:6 say he would be called “everlasting father”?
There are many other things I could address from your post, but this one should get the ball rolling.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2014,12:39) Quote (journey42 @ May 05 2014,21:04) So yes, the man Jesus Christ can never be the Father.
And who is Isaiah 9:6 about, journey?Isn't it about “the man, Jesus Christ”?
So if the person 9:6 is actually about “can never be the Father” – then why on earth would 9:6 say he would be called “everlasting father”?
There are many other things I could address from your post, but this one should get the ball rolling.
Mikeb.DO YOU WORSHIP ONE GOD?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 06 2014,18:38) Quote (terraricca @ May 06 2014,11:04) Quote (Wakeup @ May 06 2014,05:19) T. This is the answer.
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
This is a shame for not knowing who you really are worshipping.
wakeup.
wakeupyour knowledge in scriptures are to say the least are questionable ,in some instances you do not make sens ,
and calling other that they do not understand your presentation of your opinions ,and so disqualify them from knowing the truth in scriptures ;
you seem have a long way to go before you can tell that God the father of Christ is in fact your father ,because your knowledge is so far from him that you seem on another planet ,
T.The reason why you guys can not understand is because
we are on a different wavelength.
Too deep for you to understand.You can only pray and ask for deep spiritual knowledge.
This is why it is called a mystery.
If everyone can understand;***than it is not a mystery***.This is where luke 10:22 comes in.
Jesus says: ***NO MAN KNOWS***.But him; whom He will reveal.
You are just one of those men that has not that gift,for a good reason.God is righteous in his judgements.
He gives to them he choose to give.
This is what Luke 10 is saying.OK.wakeup.
wupyour comment is a self indulgence ,to put yourself on top ,climb down before Christ shows and tells you to do it
T.
I know you dont like luke 10:22.
Anyone Who shows more knowledge,is called a proud man.
Putting himself above all.
What does he think he is? He is a know all man.
This is a common thing amongs man of Babylon;but not amongst brothers,for we all understand that all are equal.
The master is also a servant and the servant is also master.You expect everyone to stay at your level.
You dont expect knowledge to increase for everyone here.wakeup.
Hi WU,
Yes you have gathered to yourself quite a lot of knowledge
IF God gave you understanding and wisdom you could be quite useful to HimQuote (Wakeup @ May 08 2014,02:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2014,12:39) Quote (journey42 @ May 05 2014,21:04) So yes, the man Jesus Christ can never be the Father.
And who is Isaiah 9:6 about, journey?Isn't it about “the man, Jesus Christ”?
So if the person 9:6 is actually about “can never be the Father” – then why on earth would 9:6 say he would be called “everlasting father”?
Mikeb.DO YOU WORSHIP ONE GOD?
wakeup.
Yes Wakeup,I worship only Jehovah – the Father, God and Creator of my Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus and I both worship Him.
Did you have an answer to that question I asked journey? If not, I'm happy to just wait for her.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,13:07) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2014,02:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2014,12:39) Quote (journey42 @ May 05 2014,21:04) So yes, the man Jesus Christ can never be the Father.
And who is Isaiah 9:6 about, journey?Isn't it about “the man, Jesus Christ”?
So if the person 9:6 is actually about “can never be the Father” – then why on earth would 9:6 say he would be called “everlasting father”?
Mikeb.DO YOU WORSHIP ONE GOD?
wakeup.
Yes Wakeup,I worship only Jehovah – the Father, God and Creator of my Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus and I both worship Him.
Did you have an answer to that question I asked journey? If not, I'm happy to just wait for her.
MikeB.GOD AND THE LAMB ARE ALWAYS TOGETHER.
THEY BELONG TOGETHER.Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
THE 7HORNS OF THE LAMB, ARE THE 7SPIRITS OF GOD.
Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
THE 4BESTS AND THE ELDERS WORSHIPPED THE LAMB.
Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
ALL CREATURES IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH WORSHIP GOD AND THE LAMB
Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
THE WRATH OF GOD IS ALSO THE WRATH OF THE LAMB.
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
THE THRONE OF GOD AND THE LAMB
Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
GOD AND THE LAMB.
Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
GOD AND THE LAMB AND HIS THRONE.
Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
THE LAMB WILL JUDGE OUT OF HIS BOOK.
Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB.
Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB.
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
THE LORD GOD AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE.
Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it:
***for the glory of God did lighten it***,
***and the Lamb is the light thereof***.GOD AND THE LAMB IS THE LIGHT.
Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun;
***for the Lord God giveth them light***:
and they shall reign for ever and ever.GOD IS THE LIGHT.(21:23. THE LAMB IS THE LIGHT).
Please concentrate on those verses.
wakeup.
Save your breath, Wakeup. The Lamb OF God is not the God he is the Lamb OF.
Nor has a sacrificial lamb ever been the EQUAL of the one who sacrificed him.
Once again, you are diverting away from the topic of discussion – and I won't be a part of it.
I will continue to wait for journey's clear and direct answer to my last post to her. If you have a clear and direct answer to that question, then feel free to jump in.
If not, then do me a favor and tell journey there is a question waiting here for her.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2014,05:23) Save your breath, Wakeup. The Lamb OF God is not the God he is the Lamb OF. Nor has a sacrificial lamb ever been the EQUAL of the one who sacrificed him.
Once again, you are diverting away from the topic of discussion – and I won't be a part of it.
I will continue to wait for journey's clear and direct answer to my last post to her. If you have a clear and direct answer to that question, then feel free to jump in.
If not, then do me a favor and tell journey there is a question waiting here for her.
Mike B.You are avoiding evidence given.
You say the lamb is seperate to God. But HE is also worshipped as God is worshipped.(???).
And the scripture says that there in *NONE* beside GOD.
This is that great mystery that only Jesus can reveal to whom he wants. Dont laugh;because this is what scripture says.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2014,03:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2014,05:23) Save your breath, Wakeup. The Lamb OF God is not the God he is the Lamb OF. Nor has a sacrificial lamb ever been the EQUAL of the one who sacrificed him.
Once again, you are diverting away from the topic of discussion – and I won't be a part of it.
I will continue to wait for journey's clear and direct answer to my last post to her. If you have a clear and direct answer to that question, then feel free to jump in.
If not, then do me a favor and tell journey there is a question waiting here for her.
Mike B.You are avoiding evidence given.
You say the lamb is seperate to God. But HE is also worshipped as God is worshipped.(???).
And the scripture says that there in *NONE* beside GOD.
This is that great mystery that only Jesus can reveal to whom he wants. Dont laugh;because this is what scripture says.
wakeup.
wakeupit seems that you in one condition you ignore God and in another you ignore Christ the son ,
you try so hard to make one of the two ,but it is impossible God is not his own son ,and the son cannot the father of witch he his the son of (or the lamb,or THE WORD, or the anointed one,or the sent one,ect)
Quote (Wakeup @ May 10 2014,15:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2014,05:23) Save your breath, Wakeup. The Lamb OF God is not the God he is the Lamb OF. Nor has a sacrificial lamb ever been the EQUAL of the one who sacrificed him.
Mike B.You are avoiding evidence given.
You say the lamb is seperate to God. But HE is also worshipped as God is worshipped.(???).
You have given no evidence that the Lamb of God was “worshipped”, Wakeup.You have listed scriptures in which YOU THINK it says such a thing. But those scriptures don't really say that.
I will wait for either you or journey to DIRECTLY answer the last question I asked.
Quote (terraricca @ May 10 2014,18:40) you try so hard to make one of the two ,but it is impossible God is not his own son ,and the son cannot the father of witch he his the son of (or the lamb,or THE WORD, or the anointed one,or the sent one,ect)
That is correct.The Son, Servant, Lamb, Priest, Prophet, Messiah, and Spokesman OF God will never BE the God he is all those things OF.
The one SENT will never BE the one who SENT him. He will never BE the one who ANOINTED him.
He never has been that one, and he never will be that one.
Nor will he ever be “worshipped” as if he IS that one.
journey? I'm patiently waiting.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,06:45) Quote (terraricca @ May 10 2014,18:40) you try so hard to make one of the two ,but it is impossible God is not his own son ,and the son cannot the father of witch he his the son of (or the lamb,or THE WORD, or the anointed one,or the sent one,ect)
That is correct.The Son, Servant, Lamb, Priest, Prophet, Messiah, and Spokesman OF God will never BE the God he is all those things OF.
The one SENT will never BE the one who SENT him. He will never BE the one who ANOINTED him.
He never has been that one, and he never will be that one.
Nor will he ever be “worshipped” as if he IS that one.
journey? I'm patiently waiting.
Mikeb.Mike B.
And the Word WAS GOD.
There is no other God.
You gladly contradict the scriptures.
You are saying that there is another God.Without the Word was nothing made that was made.
You are saying; except Jesus.The scriptures says;He is from everlasting.
You say; He is for everlasting.Scripture says: he is the Alpha and the Omega,he that was dead and is alive forever more.
You say that was corrupted.Scriptures states that God and the lamb in the throne is worshipped.
You say; only God is worshipped.You are trying very hard to change what is written to support
your dogma.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 15 2014,00:49) Mike B. 1. And the Word WAS GOD.
There is no other God.
You gladly contradict the scriptures.
You are saying that there is another God.2. Without the Word was nothing made that was made.
You are saying; except Jesus.3. The scriptures says;He is from everlasting.
You say; He is for everlasting.4. Scripture says: he is the Alpha and the Omega,he that was dead and is alive forever more.
You say that was corrupted.5. Scriptures states that God and the lamb in the throne is worshipped.
You say; only God is worshipped.
Wakeup,1. The Hebrew and Greek scriptures teach us about MANY different gods. We are taught that Jehovah is the God OF those other gods, and that Jehovah is the Most High of all the gods. We are also taught that Jehovah is the ONLY one of the many gods to have created all things.
2. Scripture says that ALL THINGS came from God. Does that mean God Himself came “from God”? Use discernment.
3. No scripture says Jesus is “from everlasting”.
4. No scripture says Jesus is the “Alpha and the Omega”.
5. No scripture says the Lamb is worshiped by anyone.
Wakeup, please stop talking until you are ready to DIRECTLY address that last post I made to journey.
And would you tell her to hurry up and answer that post? It's been over a week already.
Mike B.
Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old,
***from everlasting***.Should you change thas scripture as well?
To support your dogma?wakeup.
The Hebrew words say, “from days of old, ancient times”.
That same combination of Hebrew words is used elsewhere in scripture to refer to how old certain trees and mountains on the earth are.
Will you say those trees and mountains of the earth are also “from everlasting”?
It is a bad and biased KJV translation. Here are some better ones for you:
Micah 5:2
NIV ©
“…….whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”NLT ©
…..whose origins are from the distant past.NRSV ©
…….whose origin is from of old, from ancient days.NET ©
………whose origins are in the distant past. 5Footnote #5 in the NET says:
Heb “from the past, from the days of antiquity.”
Elsewhere both phrases refer to the early periods in the history of the world or of the nation of Israel.
For מִקֶּדֶם (miqqedem, “from the past”) see Neh 12:46; Pss 74:12; 77:11; Isa 45:21; 46:10.
For מִימֵי עוֹלָם (mimey ’olam, “from the days of antiquity”) see Isa 63:9, 11; Amos 9:11; Mic 7:14; Mal 3:4.
In Neh 12:46 and Amos 9:11 the Davidic era is in view.
Wakeup, IF you are interested in the TRUTH of the matter, look up those scriptures that they listed – where the same Hebrews words are used. Tell me which one of those scriptures means “from everlasting”, okay?
Also, consider the word “origins” in all of those translations. Micah wrote this 700 years BEFORE Jesus was born on earth. Yet he said Jesus' “origins” were from the distant past – even from Micah's time frame.
That means Jesus had an ORIGIN long before being born of Mary. The being in heaven who became “Jesus” on earth did NOT exist from eternity, Wakeup. He had a BEGINNING.
This is not really surprising, since Jesus himself said he was the “beginning of the creation by God”.
But you go ahead and keep ignoring these things. I bet you don't even look up ONE of those scripture the NET people listed. Why? Because you don't really want to know the TRUTH of the matter. Finding out the TRUTH will cause you to ADJUST your beliefs. And you are far too prideful to do that, aren't you?
Wakeup, when will you or journey address that one simple question in my last post to her?
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