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Very well put together the dots DEVO.
If any one still can not see the picture, or will not see the picture; it is because of the oppressors.
The chain of own doctrine has kept them in bondage. And they love to stay that way.wakeup.
Hi Devo,
You seem to adjust the order of Rev 18-21.
You make assumptions about teaching roles given to men that are the role of the Spirit.
HI T8,
You would have noticed that I answered your question.
Now I have a question ..
You said that Gog and Magog’s army could quite easily be before Armageddon ..
I provided the scriptures about the weapons being of wood, how the forests won’t be used for wood whilst the supply of weapons were used up ..
Do you disagree?
Hi T8,
You would have noticed that I answered your question.
Now I have a question ..
You said that Gog and Magog’s army could quite easily be before Armageddon ..
I provided the scriptures about the weapons being of wood, how the forests won’t be used for wood whilst the supply of weapons were used up ..
Do you disagree?
T8, Since the weapons are WOOD because Israel has no need for taking WOOD out of the forests WHILST the weapon supply remains (for 7 years), and modern weapons have NO WOOD in them ..
Then anyone saying this Gog & Magog battle is before the 2nd coming is basically saying without realizing it, that modern Israel is going to be attacked by an army of horse riding & shield & spear wielding horde!!
It just doesn’t fit .. but fits snugly in a world AFTER Christ has returned where modern technology is no more ..
You do acknowledge that the false prophet and his armies actually MAKE it INTO Israel .. even RULING over Israel for 3 1/2 years BUT Gog’s armies NEVER even make it beyond the outlaying boundaries of the camp (outside the cities “walls”) .. how can this no brainer be ignored?
Dude, that is a game changer in anybody’s language!!
Didn’t you say if the differences were there you would change views?
T8, there ARE significant differences that even unbelievers would acknowledge as irreconcilable .. why are you hardening your heart?
It is a beautiful plan God is going to bring to pass .. acknowledge it & rejoice with us.
We are not your enemy.
Cheers T8.
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
What I can’t understand is how many cannot see that after the thousand years, Satan is let loose, and shall go out to deceive the nations (again) which are in the 4 quarters of the earth,….Gog and Magog…this is specific, the Gog and Magog war…. what’s the confusion? What makes these scriptures untrue?….and those proclaiming these scriptures having own opinions? Are they not repeating what is already written?…..
Satan will be bound in prison at the coming for a thousand years. This means he cannot meddle for a thousand years. When he is let loose he meddles and causes war AGAIN. This is his nature. Only after the 1000 years, Satan is destroyed and joins the lake of fire where the False prophet and Beast already are (they were put there 1000 years earlier)
When this is ascertained, then you can go into Ezekiel and read the details of this Gog and Magog war, prophesied thousands of years beforehand as a witness of things to come. They would not of known back then WHEN this Gog and Magog war would be fulfilled, because it was not REVEALED until REVELATIONS. Revelations holds the key to it’s timeline.
We have the book of Revelations opened up to us now, the seals are broken for us to read and understand, but still most Christians cannot see? What’s the problem?
Go back to Revelations FIRST, then discuss the details of this war, otherwise you are going all over the place in darkness.Hear the word of the Lord.
He said to Daniel; Daniel 11:14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
I say the vail is on.wakeup.
Today we see Russia in alignment with Iran and Syria. Both these countries that Russia is aligned with are enemies of Israel. Could we be witnessing the beginnings of Ezekiel 39?
1 “Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of Meshek and Tubal. 2 I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. 4 On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. 5 You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. 6 I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the Lord.
7 “‘I will make known my holy name among my people Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I the Lord am the Holy One in Israel. 8 It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign Lord. This is the day I have spoken of.
9 “‘Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel. 10 They will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forests, because they will use the weapons for fuel. And they will plunder those who plundered them and loot those who looted them, declares the Sovereign Lord.
11 “‘On that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, in the valley of those who travel east of the Sea. It will block the way of travelers, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there. So it will be called the Valley of Hamon Gog.
12 “‘For seven months the Israelites will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 13 All the people of the land will bury them, and the day I display my glory will be a memorable day for them, declares the Sovereign Lord. 14 People will be continually employed in cleansing the land. They will spread out across the land and, along with others, they will bury any bodies that are lying on the ground.
“‘After the seven months they will carry out a more detailed search. 15 As they go through the land, anyone who sees a human bone will leave a marker beside it until the gravediggers bury it in the Valley of Hamon Gog, 16 near a town called Hamonah. And so they will cleanse the land.’
t8
those scriptures do not refer to today Iran or Russia ,the world today is going toward the end of this age ,and so the return of Jesus ,
anyone that today fights against Israel as nothing to do with God’s plan for all the living are living to be judged ,that is what Jesus has preached
Rabbi shares prophetic message about Gog and Magog
Speaking to Breaking Israel News, Gil Nachman, Vaknin’s English-speaking spokesman, reported that there will be an escalation in the attacks on Jews in Israel and that the attacks are going to start coming from groups of Muslims, not just single terrorists.
During the vision, Vaknin reported seeing Elijah the Prophet coming in and going out. According to Jewish tradition, Elijah will announce the Messiah’s arrival. He also saw holy rabbis from previous generations crying.
“The judgement has come. It’s here,” said Nachman.
“We’re in a very crazy situation and Hashem (God) is going to push us to the corner,” he continued. “The world is a filthy place. There are many inner, hidden sins of immorality. God is using the Muslims to wake the Jewish people up from their spiritual slumber.” Vaknin also warns the Jewish people exceedingly sternly against being overly prideful.
Nachman’s wife Miriam told Breaking Israel News that this past March, at a talk in honor of the anniversary of his father’s passing, Vaknin predicted that the time will come when people are going to be afraid to step outside, afraid to walk in the streets of Israel.
Vaknin’s last message from late August of this year warned of imminent war coming to Israel. Three weeks later, Russia started deploying warplanes to Syria and has since built a coalition of countries – including Syria, Iran, Iraq and China – to fight ISIS that some believe is the beginning of the Final War of Gog and Magog.
In August, Vaknin also predicted that “there are going to be people dying in the streets, thousands of people all over Israel.” A few weeks later, Israel saw a sharp uptick in terror attacks across the country.
The most recent messages from Heaven are darker still.
According to Nachman, Vaknin asserts that the situation with Russia in Syria is the War of Gog and Magog. There is a whole different war going on inside Israel with the Muslims and that war is directed at the Jews.
“Whoever is working with a Muslim is in danger,” Nachman reported Vaknin saying.
Vaknin is praying to God to remove the decree from the Jewish people and he urges everyone to pray, to beg God to cancel out this decree or at least to lessen its harshness. He also urges Jews to use the tools of teshuva (repentance), tefillah (prayer) and tzedaka (acts of charity and kindness) to avert the decree. A public prayer service is being arranged in Israel’s port city of Ashdod.
“In the end,” said Miriam Nachman, “Israel is going to be the safest place.”
Speaking further, Nachman quoted Vaknin as saying, “There is nobody to trust and rely on, only Hashem (God).” Nachman concluded with these words from Vaknin, “The world is in a situation that it’s like a woman who is about to give birth and she’s in a lot of labor pains. That’s the situation.”
t8
those scriptures do not refer to today Iran or Russia ,the world today is going toward the end of this age ,and so the return of Jesus ,
anyone that today fights against Israel as nothing to do with God’s plan for all the living are living to be judged ,that is what Jesus has preached
They follow cleverly devised Myths, rather than fulfilled prophetic History.
2 Peter 1.16.
Russia will bring the end of things as we know it, a build up to the end. But ‘Look up, for your redemption drawath nigh’.
Assumptions based on myths will not help in any way shape or form. People can mix and match and assume, and think they are clever, but let all men be liars, and God true.
As far as I am concerned the views here could be right or could be wrong. We just do not know for sure how it will all play out. Hence the discussion on numerous views and possibilities in this topic.
Saying that one view is wrong and another right is pointless, unless it can be backed up with something substantial. Adhering to a teaching for years as the true way to understand what will happen is no proof at all.
You have to admit that many have been saying for years now that an alliance with Russia and Iran invading Israel will fulfill the Ezekiel war. And this does now seem possible given that we are witnessing Russia’s involvement in Syria and Iraq. Where will this involvement end? Will they engage Israel? So long as we are awake and sober and keep looking for the signs of the times, we should not suffer Jesus coming as a thief in the night and should understand the significance of events as they happen or after the event.
When we abandon popular theories or at least test them vigorously, many seem to fall short. A Russia and Iran alliance as Gog and Magog is more feasible than ever given the situation at hand. I wouldn’t be so quick to write it off. Of course these events are not proof. But I encourage all of us to watch, be open, and teachable.
t8
being teachable you right ,but let it be in the truth not with invented stories ,
if you place the war of Gog of Magog before the millennium then the bible lied ,and if you place it after then all your schemes to explain the middle east are destroyed ,now Jesus said he comes like a thief, what does it mean ? if you going to always bring forth signs what Jesus says there will not be ; then what you mean by being teachable would be in lies “the popular ones that is ”
But you only offer opinion which is not good enough for any critical thinker. Show me the smoking gun and I will judge for myself. Until then I will continue.
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
Rev 20:9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.to me it is clear what will happen after the 1000 years are ended this is a big smoking gun
t8, I just can’t see what significance the nation of Israel has to do with anything today, (I constantly see the mention of Israel). They are a country like any other. Jerusalem and Mount Zion are now heavenly? (Hebrews 12, and Galatians 4, etc).
Yes, t8 myths because some posters constantly relied on myths not history.
But you are right to watch. OT prophecy is mainly all fulfilled, Revelations is too open to multiple conclusions. All which can be trusted is prayer and the spirit, and Jesus’ and the Disciples words, and anything from the OT which God shows us, imu. ‘Gog and Magog’? Past history? G&M aside, Russia… to punish the sins of the world? (just a thought).
one fact is certain that like before the flood people hearts were constantly moving towards wickedness and so it will be at the end just has Jesus said it would
but this is a general sign not a specific one
Idk if anyone has brought this out on this thread but the restored and unified nation of Israel and Judah in Ezekiel is to be at peace with unwalled cities with no bars or gates,dwelling securely, with “David” as their king before Gog and Magog is brought against them.
Certainly at no point in the modern state of Israel’s existence has this been the case.
And the view in Revelations is that the camp of resurrected Christian saints and beloved city will be attacked by Gog and Magog after Satan is released from prison.
I don’t see this as the modern state of Israel either.
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