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Hi t8.
It is written in the prophesies that Israel will be brought back from the four winds of the earth.
And this happened in 1948.However it also says that they will be hunted down in the holes of the rock.
By this we know today; that the hunters are the muslem.
How Israel has to run to their bunkers every time a muslem rocket is fired.
Plus also must hide for suicide bombers. This is written in jer.16:14–16.
However: there is another bringing back of Israel in jer.23:1–8.
This time Israel will have a king; THE LORD OUR TRIGHTEOUSNESS, and they will live in peace, in God.
This is speaking of the kingdom of God, when the remnants of Israel will be brought back by choice.
Of all generations of Israel some will be brought back by choice. One of a city, and two of a family.
Jeremiah 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, ***and I will bring you to ZION***:wakeup.
Wakeup, your view is right and all the others are wrong. But others say they are right and other views are wrong. Kinda looks silly when viewed from the outside you have to admit.
Stop beating around the bush. Just say you are right and the other views are wrong. This is what you are saying. Correct?
Ha ha. Don’t all people say that.
<div class=”bbp-reply-content”>Camellia.
Scriptures says that Jesus has gone to heaven and is sitting next to His Father,
until all His enemies are put under His feet.
If we walk in Christ,we walk in the spirit of Christ.
We act and do as Christ.This can only happen if we feed on His flesh,and drink His blood.
(symbolically the bread and the wine).
This means that we absorbed the spirit of the Words He has spoken.
No one can come to the father but by the Word,which was Jesus in the flesh.
Now His Word in print; the holy bible. Not by reading some other book about the bible.
That is strange flesh,because it is written by men. I speak of spiritual books.
Let the Holy Spirit be our teacher.
wakeup.
Yes, thanks. But, we know the Son through having a relationship with him, yes? So then he has come in spirit (Holy Spirit), though he remains in heaven. Can you explain that – what is your (or anyone else’s) opinion…
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We are in the end times now. The battle is a spiritual battle. The restrainer will be taken away from the body (believers) or the temple (body), and the man of sin will be there instead (men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, etc). Eventually, the world will be destroyed, and that is the end. Gog and Magog are the ‘four corners of the earth’ – everyone.
Camilla.
If you have time; will you read this page?
Ezekiel 38:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Ezekiel 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, ***the land of Magog***, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
GOG IS THE CHIEF PRINCE OF MESHECH AND TUBAL,IN THE LAND OF MAGOG.GOG IS THE MAN OF SATAN’S CHOICE.Ezekiel 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
Ezekiel 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
A GREAT ARMY WITH SWORDS.Ezekiel 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
DONT GET TRICKED BY THOSE NAMES,BECAUSE IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THOSE NATIONS WILL KEEP THEIR OLD NAMES STILL.Ezekiel 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee. THESE NATIONS DONT EXIST TODAY,BUT WILL LATER.
Ezekiel 38:7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
NOTE: IN LATTER YEARS.IN THE DAYS THAT ISRAEL WAS BROUGHT BACK OF MANY NATIONS, AND SHALL DWELL SAFELY.
NOTHING LIKE ISRAEL OF TODAY.Ezekiel 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
GOG WILL COME LIKE A STORM TO COMPASS THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS.Ezekiel 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
SATAN’S IDEA.JUST AS THE NWO IS SATAN’S IDEA. THAT CAME OUT OF THE BOTT.PIT.Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
nOTE: ISRAEL WILL HAVE NO VISIBLE WALLS,NOR BARS, NOR GATES.Ezekiel 38:12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
ISRAEL THAT WAS DESOLATE BEFORE, AND NOW IT IS FULL OF CATTLE AND GOODS.(NOT FULL OF WAR MACHINES).Ezekiel 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
THE GENTILES OUT SIDE THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS WILL SAY; HAVE YOU COME TO STEAL?Ezekiel 38:14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?
IN THE DAYS WHEN ISRAEL DWELL SAFELY. NO HUNTERS TO HUNT THEM DOWN AS IT IS TODAY.Ezekiel 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
GOG WILL ALSO COME FROM THE NORTH.Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be ***in the latter days***, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
IN THE LATTER DAYS.Ezekiel 38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?
IS THAT YOU GOG? THAT I HAVE PROPHESIED,AND SPOKEN TO MY PROPHETS MANY YEARS AGO?Ezekiel 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.
Ezekiel 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
Ezekiel 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake ***at my presence***, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
NOTE: AT MY PRESENCE.(NOT AS THE COMING OF WORD OF GOD AS IN REV,19.).Ezekiel 38:21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.
Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
FIRE FROM HEAVEN;FROM GOD REV20:9.Ezekiel 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
THOSE NATIONS WILL BE THE GENTILES LIVING OUTSIDE THE KINGDOM,OF WHOM MANY WILL BE CONVERTED TO CHRIST.wakeup.
Wakeup, and others, I have posted a sequence of end time events. It is a logical and coherent list of what will happen, well supported by scripture. Why has no one commented on it?
Please answer these questions?
By number.
1.Is satan in prison right now and will be loosed soon? If so; why are things getting worse;not better?
Is he not responsible for all the wars of the last 1000years? Satan is still the Prince of this world, until Jesus defeats his army at Armageddon.
2.Why is he and his angels not cast in the fire at the coming? He will be allowed to deceive the nations once again at the end of the Mill.
3.Please explain the difference between the valley of jehosaphat;and the valey of hamongog: and the city called hamonah?
4.Where is the valley of hamongog, and the city of hamonah today? The valley of J. is north of Mt Carmel. Harmonah is by Jerusalem.
4.Why is satan’s man called the false prophet at the coming, and called gog later. Is he the same person to you? No. Your problem is confusion of the correct sequence of events.
5.Why is the Word of God(Jesus) coming to destroy Babylon; and why will God Himself destroy gog and magog? To display His glory. Eze 39:21
6.Babylon will be destroyed: not just some place or city. What does it mean by, the cities of the nations will be no more? Babylon is used as a metaphor for the ungodly cities of the world. Which is all of them. Cities will no longer be habitable when there is no electric power, bridges destroyed and mostly all buildings burnt out by the forthcoming fire judgement.
7 Why are christians told by the angel to come out of Babylon,and not be part of Babylon?(what Babylon)? True believers will gathered and go to live in all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 20:34-38
8 Why did God see Israel today as Sodom and Egypt? The current inhabitants of the holy Land, are Jews – mostly atheists and disbelievers in Jesus and Arabs- muslims. They will all be killed on the Lord’s Day of wrath. Eze 20:47, Zeph 1:18, Hosea 4:3, Joel 1:15-20 and many others.
9. Why does scripture say: Israel will be trodden by the gentiles 3/half years before the coming? Those who agree to a treaty with the Anti-Christ will remain, [the many, Daniel 11:32] but those who refuse, Daniel 11:33-35 will be taken to a place of safety. Rev 12
10. Can you tell the difference between the first, and the second resurrection, are they not one thousand years apart? All as told to us in Rev 20
11. Israel will rejoice in the kingdom of God; not to confuse this with: The rejoicing of the world over the death of the two witnesses, and be drunken ,and sleep a perpetual sleep. Enough for now. Yes
Hi Keras.
Joel is about the world war, and then the coming.(a day of clouds and darkness).
He is describing modern war fare.Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for ***the day of the LORD cometh***, for it is nigh at hand;
Joel 2:2 ***A day of darkness and of gloominess***, ***a day of clouds and of thick darkness***, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong;
***there hath not been ever the like***,
***neither shall be any more after it***,
***even to the years of many generations***.(NOT UNTIL MANY GENERATIONS; TEN GENERATIONS = 1000YRS).
(EVERYONE WILL LIVE UP TO 100YRS OLD).THE WAR OF GOG WILL BE AFTER MANY GENERATION. SO ARMAGEDDON WILL NOT BE THE LAST WAR.
THE WAR OF GOG IS TO COME AFTER MANY GENERATIONS.wakeup.
t8.
I would not say that; but rather that my view is in harmony with the scriptures.
One need to proof me in contradiction and then judge,by my contradictions.
Many indeed make claims,but I judge by their contradictions to scripture.
Don’t ignore what the scripture says. And judge by own perception.wakeup.
Wakeup,
imo, it’s no good quoting Ezekiel 38, because as I’m sure you would know Revelations speaks in a SYMBOLIC LANGUAGE.
I don’t understand why you are quoting so much about a nation called Israel, as God is the God of the whole world now?
THOSE NATIONS WILL BE THE GENTILES LIVING OUTSIDE THE KINGDOM,OF WHOM MANY WILL BE CONVERTED TO CHRIST.
Where do you get this “outside the kingdom”? The kingdom of God is in our midst. It will not come with observations. I live in this world, but while in the world, I am either in the kingdom of God, or I am not. The kingdom of God is not here in its fullness yet. Do you understand this. One day, though. We see glimpses of His kingdom. If the power of God is in us. But, there is a spiritual battle, and only prayer and faith can help us to overcome.
The idea that Russia was somehow linked in with Gog and Magog was only made famous through futurists Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye.
George W. Bush made the comment that “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East” in the prelude to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
In Australia, there is a Mt Magog, and a Mt Gog. Perhaps it is in reference to Australia 🙂
In NZ on Stewart Island are two granite domes named Gog and Magog.
Similar is found in Colorado and British Columbia.The fact that Revelation says “the four corners of the earth’ makes a good defence I believe to Gog and Magog being “the four corners of earth”, which means the world.
Citations: Wikipedia Gog and Magog.
Wakeup, and others, I have posted a sequence of end time events. It is a logical and coherent list of what will happen, well supported by scripture. Why has no one commented on it?
Because the world has become full of opinion..
Wakeup -correction, due to the KJV saying ‘harmongog’ and the ‘valley of the passengers’, instead of the valley of Abarim, in Ezekiel 39:11, as good translations do, I got it wrong. BTW Abarim is now called; Wadi al Mujib and I have been there. The road winds down quite a way, bridges the dry stream bed, then climbs back up to the tableland. [Jordanian desert]
Re Joel prophesies: he is NOT talking about a real army, “like an army, like soldiers, like horses, etc. A conventional war, even nuke, does not cause all the effects described: heavens shudder, devouring fire, worldwide darkness. Anyway Joel 1:15 says it is ‘from the Almighty’.
The war of G/M will be after many generations’. Yes, many generations after Ezekiel prophesied it.
Camilla, your posts make no useful contribution to the discussion.
George W. Bush made the comment that “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East” in the prelude to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Hi Camillia,
“The U.S.A.”(74) killed the King of Babylon, his son, and his nephew. (see Isaiah 14:22)
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Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODWakeup wrote:Edj.
Are you revering to Babylon the great where we suppose to come out of? Or some other Babylon of your invention?
wakeup.
What do you think?
Hi Edj.
Irak is not Babylon the great God is speaking of, in revelation
This whole world and system is Babylon the great.
The angels did not tell us to come out of Irak, did he?
Are we of Irak? Or are we of a world worshipping Babylonian gods?
Come out of her my people so you wont receive of her plagues.
Come out of the spirit(mentality)(mind set) of Babylon the great. which is worshipping the material and false gods.
And spiritually come into Zion the city of God, and worship the creator, rather than the creation.
Shalom
wakeup.
How is this economic world system guilty of spilling the blood of martyrs exactly?
It seems to me that political and/or religious systems are closer to fulfilling that.
Wars are created by greed ,most of the time.
The high and mighty create wars to make more money by selling their hardware of war,
and taking all the resources of the countries;such as oil,gold, diamonds etc.
In the process, many young men are killed; they are the soldiers used for their purpose.
And many women and children are also killed. All for greed, and politics.
Religion is also often used as a pretext for war.
Even ww2 was a false flag performed in the usa, called pearl harbour.
wakeup.
But these wars aren’t specifically against Believers. They are against people in general.
I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
You’re basically saying that the Economic System was drunk from the death of Believers.
It looks like you are stretching this out to fit your theory to me.
Innocent children are not necessary believers t8.
Saints were burned alive by the system back then.Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Mark 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.
wakeup.
Keras,
Is your comment your way of saying that you can’t understand Amillenialism (my belief). It takes the spirit of God to understand it, not our own understanding.
Why make things so difficult? Why go back to the old testament when Jesus, Peter and the Saints explained everything there is to know.
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