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A well researched video about the Gog Magog War and when it is likely to take place. It looks at the different views and compares their strengths and weaknesses with scripture.
If the learned can not find the answer;
What can one expect of the born again?
Maybe the saved know the answer?wakeup.
That video is all nonsense.
The vwar of Gog the prince of Magog will be after the thousand years.
That would be satan’s last war.
That is when he will be cast into the lake of fire,and all his angels with him.This is when death is conquered.At the second coming satan will be spared; but cast into prison for a thousand years.
There will be only the 10 horned beast and the false prophet cast into the lake of fire at the coming.See rev 19:20. Not even the so called antichrist.
Because there is none such as so called THE ANTICHRIST.
That is all made up by man.There are many many antichrists.
The jews are one of them lot; and many atheists.The nation Magog does not yet exist today.They will be the remnant of the gentiles, multiplying once more during the thousand years.They will cover the earth. Some will accept the teachings of the saints and some will not.They will follow satan when he is released from his prison; and will surround the camp of the saints. All will be buried in a place called Hamongog. Not the valey of Hinom where all the armies are buried at the second coming.(armageddon).
1.The 3rd ww, men against men.
2.Armageddon men against the Lamb of God.
3.Babylon destroyed.
4.The kingdom set up.No satan,but his angels are still around on the
outside of the kingdom.They can not enter.
5.The saints will teach the jews;and the jews will teach the gentiles.
6.Knowledge will cover the earth as the sea cover the earth.
7.The jews will be in the flesh;they will build houses and plant
vineyards;the lion will eat straw.
8.This will be paradise for the jews,but a kingdom for the resurrected
saints.
9.All men will be judged at the second judgement,by the books.
10.The converted jews and gentiles will be changed into spirit.
11.The rest will be cast into the lake of fire where the false prophet
and the beast are.
12.The earth will be made new.
13. God will come down to earth,and we will see him face to face.
14.It is finished; God’s plan is completed.This is as far we can see.t8.
That sort of defence could be said to anyone.
I dont call that a defence.
I can back it up with scriptures; no humble and honest man can deny.
But it’s better if you can find out for yourself by seeking the prophesies.t8.
1.Satan was spared at the second coming.
only the beast and the false prophet are cast into the fire.
(rev 19:20) Not even the so called invented antichrist.2.All the armies will be buried at a valley called;*HINOM*;at the
coming.
NOT HAMONGOG. Which is the war of gog and magog.3.The first resurrection will be at the second coming.
THe second resurrection will be *after* the war of gog and magog.4.After satan and his angels are cast into the fire,then the second
resurrection.5.Note; at the second coming; satan and his angels are not cast into the
fire.Only the beast and the false prophet are.The beast=the ten
horned beast (the last ten toes). The false prophet=the son of
perdition with all his lying wonders.6.I need a response from any of you guys.
You can always check out the scriptures,and see if it is in contradiction to my explanation.
There is a first resurrection and a second.
They are one thousand years apart.
There is the war of armageddon and there is the war of gog ang magog.
They are one thousand years apart.
There is today’s earth ,and there is the new earth.
They are one thousand years apart.
There is only one second coming,not more.
One is called the son of perdition,and the other one is called gog,
the prince of magog.
Satan and his angels will be cast in the fire where the false prophet and the beast ARE CAST IN PREVIOUSLY.One thousand years previously. Strong meat is necessary to understand prophecy.
Can never undestand by just having milk.wakeup.
T8.
HOW DO I REDUCE MY FOND SIZE?
I HAVE IT ON FULL ZIZE; AND NOW CANT EVEN SEE ANY ICONS TO CLICK ON.
They are one thousand years apart.
A literal one thousand years? How does one decide what in revelation is literal, and what is symbolic language.
There is the war of armageddon and there is the war of gog ang magog.
Isn’t that the same thing?
Rev speaks in repetition.
There is only one second coming,not more.
Does Jesus come in the spirit to some.
Camellia.
Scriptures says that Jesus has gone to heaven and is sitting next to His Father,
until all His enemies are put under His feet.
If we walk in Christ,we walk in the spirit of Christ.
We act and do as Christ.This can only happen if we feed on His flesh,and drink His blood.
(symbolically the bread and the wine).
This means that we absorbed the spirit of the Words He has spoken.
No one can come to the father but by the Word,which was Jesus in the flesh.
Now His Word in print; the holy bible. Not by reading some other book about the bible.
That is strange flesh,because it is written by men. I speak of spiritual books.
Let the Holy Spirit be our teacher.
wakeup.
The so called ‘war’ of Gog/Magog happens a few years after all the Israelites are settled into the holy Land, where they will gather and live soon after all the Middle east is virtually depopulated by the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath. The mention of G/M at the end of the [literal] Millennium, is just to describe a ‘type’ of a vast horde. Proved by how it is ridiculous to imagine the clean up of bodies and weapons extending into eternity.
Here is a coherent, logical and scripturally correct sequence of events soon to happen;
Soon to happen: The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1 It is the Sixth seal event. Worldwide devastation and the Middle East is cleared and cleansed, Ezekiel 30:1-5 It will be the fulfilment of Psalm 83, Isaiah 2:12-21, 2 Peter 3:7 A small Jewish remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 4:3 Many will die around the world: Isaiah 51:6, Jer.9:22, but most will survive and eventually re-establish the infrastructure.
The Seventh seal is ‘about’ a 20 year time gap until the Return of Jesus.
In a short while: Isaiah 29:17, all the holy Land will be regenerated and the Lord’s people, righteous Israel, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, will gather in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:4 They will live in peace and security and 144,000 missionaries are selected from them, to go out to all peoples and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19
The rest of the nations will form a One World Government, led by ten Presidents. Daniel 7:24 Before long, three will be taken over and the other seven will confer their power onto another strong leader. Daniel 11:21, Revelation 13:1-8
After a few years: a Northern confederation, led by a person referred to as Gog, will be motivated to attack Beulah – an unprotected land, of great wealth. They will be totally wiped out and it takes seven years to bury them and clean the land. Ezekiel 38 & 39, Joel 2:20
Sometime later, the strong leader of the World Government, will make a seven year treaty with Beulah. This marks the commencement of the seventieth ‘week’ [seven years] of Daniel. There is a 3½ year period of calm and peace in the world. Daniel 9:27
After that: the world dictator comes to Jerusalem in force and declares himself to be god in the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, the trumpet and bowl judgements. The ‘Woman’- righteous Israel, are taken to a place of safety for 1260 days. Zechariah 14:2, Revelation 12:14
Then comes the Glorious Return of Jesus: The battle of Armageddon, Jesus destroys the army of the Anti-Christ by the Sword of His Word.
The regathering of Israel and all those who have kept faithful.
The 1000 year Millennium reign of King Jesus and His resurrected saints.
| The 7 years of Daniel |
The Treaty signed, peace for 3½ years. | 1260 days |
The Abomination of Desolation placed in the 3<sup>rd</sup> Temple |
The Great Tribulation, two witnesses, Woman protected. |1260 days |
The Day of Tabernacles, the Return of Jesus | The battle of Armageddon. |
The Marriage supper of the Lamb – 1290 days | 1260 + 30 |
The festival of Lights- Hanukkah – 1335 days | 1260 + 75 |
The Millennium reign of Jesus. | 1000 years
The final attack against the holy city and the armies are instantly cremated. Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 16:13-16, Revelation 19:17-21
The Great White Throne judgement, a New Heaven and a New Earth. Daniel 7:9-10, Revelation chapter 21
Thank you keras.
However,you have put Gog and Magog before Armageddon.
Please follow these scriptures,and explanations.
AT THE SECOND COMING: JUST BEFORE BABYLON IS DETROYED. THE STRONG MAN OF THE HOUSE IS BOUND FIRST.
Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
THE DRAGON IS BOUND AND CAST INTO PRISON. HIS ANGELS ARE FREE STILL TO DO THEIR WORK ON EARTH.
Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, ***till the thousand years should be fulfilled***: ***and after that he must be loosed a little season***.
THE DRAGON IS NOT DESTROYED, JUST PUT IN PRISON,AND HIS ANGELS ARE SPARED AT THE COMING.
SATAN CAN NOT INTERFERE DURING THE 1000YR REIGN. ONLY AFTER THE 1000YR REIGN, WILL HE BE LOOSED FOR A LITTLE SEASON
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
ALL THAT HAVE CONQUERED THE MARK OF THE BEAST WILL BE RESURRECTED AS SAINTS. AT THE SECOND COMING.
AND THEY WILL REIGN WITH CHRIST FOR 1000YEARS.
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
THE REST OF THE DEAD STAY IN THEIR GRAVES; BUT THERE WILL BE REMNANTS OF SURVIVING GENTILES .
THEY WILL REPOPULATE THE EARTH. THE REMNANTS OF THE CHOSEN JEWS WILL BE BROUGHT BACK INTO PARADISE.
THE KINGDOM OF THE SAINTS,WITH THE SAINTS RULING AS KINGS AND PRIESTS.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
ONCE BORN AGAIN IN PHYSICAL FORM,WHICH IS IN SPIRIT FORM; THE SECOND DEATH HAS NO MORE HOLD ON THEM; THEY WILL RULE WITH CHRIST FOR 1000YEARS.(ONLY:NOT MORE).
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
THE 1000YEARS MUST EXPIRE, BEFORE SATAN WILL BE LET LOOSE FROM HIS PRISON.(not bound for just a short time).
(It has to be 1000years).
Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
SATAN WILL THEN GO OUT TO THE GENTILE NATIONS THAT HAVE MULTIPLIED DURING THE 1000YEARS.
GOG AND MAGOG. THEY WILL BE MANY,LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA.(MANY OF THE GENTILE WILL BE CONVERTED TO CHRIST
ALSO).THOSE THAT FOLLOW GOG THE PRINCE OF MAGOG ARE THE NON CONVERTED.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
THEY WILL SURROUND THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS ,WHICH IS PARADISE TO THE JEWS( THE SQUARE).(CUBE).
THEY ARE PEOPLE LIVING IN PEACE,WITH NO PAIN NOR SORROWS. SPEARS INTO PRUNING HOOKS,SWORDS INTO PLOUGHSHARES.
THE ANIMALS DONT HURT.
NOTICE: ***SATAN AND HIS MAN GOG HERE IS NOT DESTROYED BY JESUS;BUT BY GOD HIMSELF***
AND THEY WILL BE BURIED IN A PLACE CALLED HAMONGOG; A PLACE CALLED HAMONAH.
***NOT JEHOSAPHAT.( the valey of hinom).(tophet)***.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
ONLY THIS TIME THE DEVIL WILL BE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE;
***WHERE THE TEN HORNED BEAST( last empire),AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE***.
BECAUSE THEY WERE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE 1000YEARS AGO, AT THE SECOND COMING.
SATAN WAS SPARED AT THAT TIME,JUST PUT IN PRISON.
Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
THIS IS THE JUDGEMENT OF ALL PEOPLE THAT EVER LIVED ON EARTH,OF ALL KINDS OF RELIGIONS AND NATIONS.
THEY WILL BE JUDGED BY THE BOOKS;BY THEIR DEEDS.
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, **according to their works**
THE SHEEP WILL BE PUT ON THE RIGHT AND THE GOATS ON THE LEFT.
THE SHEEP ALSO WILL BE CHANGED INTO SPIRIT, like the saints; THE GOATS CAST INTO THE FIRE.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
GOD KNOWS THE HEART OF EVERY PERSON THAT LIVED,THERE ARE ALSO GOOD HEATHENS,AND BAD, SO CALLED CHRISTIANS.
THEY WILL BE JUDGED MORE HARSHLY,AS BAD CHRISTIANS.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
DEATH AS A WHOLE IS NOW NO MORE. (conquered).
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
THE GOATS ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.
THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST INTO THE FIRE DURING THE WAR OF GOG AND MAGOG.
Please read Keras; and whomsoever is concerned with prophesies.
For it is strong meat indeed.
wakeup.
I place the GM war before Armageddon, because that is where it belongs. You waste space by quoting lengthy scriptures, that don’t prove anything.
What I post in that sequence, is the next event being the Psalm 83 attack by the Islamists, resulting in the depopulation of the Middle East. Eze 30:1-5 This allows those believers in the Lord to go and live there, as it says in Eze 38:8&12 and many other prophesies. This is the great promise referred to by Paul in Acts 26:7 [plus the eventual Return of the Messiah]
It isn’t until about 20 years later that Jesus Returns and the Millennium, as you describe above happens.
HI KERAS.
Psalms 83:1 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
Psalms 83:2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.(CAUSING PROBLEMS).
Psalms 83:3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
Psalms 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.(YES THIS HAS, AND IS HAPPENING NOW).
Psalms 83:5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:(MUSLEM COUNTRIES)
Psalms 83:6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;(ISHMALITES=ARABS)
Psalms 83:7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the *PHIPISTINES* with the inhabitants of Tyre;=(LEBANON).THOSE SCRIPTURES ARE ABOUT THE MUSLEM COUNTRIES,THEY HAVE HATED THE BRINGING BACK OF ISRAEL
SINCE 1948. GOD ALSO MENTIONS THAT ISRAEL WILL BE HUNTED DOWN INTO THE HOLES OF THE ROCK.
THIS IS THE FIRST GATHERING OF ISRAEL.ISRAEL IS AT WAR EVER SINCE.
Jeremiah 16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them;
***and after will I send for many hunters***, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.BUT PALESTINA AND FRIENDS(ISLAM) (SHALL BE NO MORE,BECAUSE OF THE COCKATRICE).
Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
THIS WILL BE THE FALSE PROPHET COMING FROM THE NORTH.(THE COCKATRICE)(THE SERPENTS ROOT).(HIS FRIUT IS DEADLY).Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, WHOLE Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.(FROM THE NORTH A SMOKE).
THE SMOKE WILL COME FROM THE NORTH.(THE GENTILES).( LAST BEAST WITH THE 10 HORNS).
If YOU FOLLOW UP REV 11,YOU WILL SEE THAT ISRAEL WILL BE TRODDEN BY THE GENTILES FOR 3LHALF YEARS, BEFORE THE COMING.
IT’S VERY SIMPLE.THIS MEANS THAT ISRAEL WILL NOT BE A NATION DWELLING IN PEACE AT THE COMING.
THE TWO WITNESSES WILL BE KILLED BY THE BEAST OUT OF THE BOT.PIT.(10 HORNED BEAST) AND THE FALSE PROPHET.
THEY WILL BE TAKEN UP A FEW DAYS BEFORE THE COMING.(7TH TRUMP).REV11.Don’t make it harder than it is Keras.
Shalom
wakeup.Wakeup, your view is right and all the others are wrong. But others say they are right and other views are wrong. Kinda looks silly when viewed from the outside you have to admit.
Stop beating around the bush. Just say you are right and the other views are wrong. This is what you are saying. Correct?
The war of Gog from Magog
Ezekiel 38 & 39 refers to an alliance of Northern peoples, formed to invade Israel, sometime during these latter days. Scholars differ as to who these peoples/nations are, but no reference is made to Israel’s present immediate neighbours – the Arab/ Islamic nations and entities, such as Hamas. The reason why they are not included in this alliance, is the fact that they will have already suffered an earlier massive defeat.
The passage in Ezekiel 38:11-13 describe Israel as:
1/ A people dwelling securely – not the case at present.
2/ A nation at peace – all of the nations surrounding are outright or potential enemies. Saudi Arabia still has a declaration of war against Israel in its books.
3/ Dwelling without walls – in modern terms: undefended borders.
4/ An extremely wealthy nation – not true of Jewish Israel.
This shows that His people, righteous Israel, will be in the Land after this clearance.
Ezekiel 38 & 39 are both describing the same event, an attack upon Israel, by a leader known as Gog, from the land of Magog. He is mentioned again in Revelation 20:8-9 which uses Ezekiel’s prophecy to portray another, final attack against Israel. The result of this battle is that all are destroyed by fire and Satan is finally judged. Some differences are:
1/ The first battle involves only a few nations, the last will be every nation.
2/ There is no mention of Satan in Ezekiel, but in Revelation, he is the primary character.
3/ The Ezekiel battle says the dead will be gathered and buried for 7 months. The armies at the end of the Millennium are cremated instantly, by fire from heaven.
4/ The battle in Ezekiel is used by God to display His power. In Revelation, Israel has been faithful to God for 1000 years. Those in Rev 20:7-10 who are rebellious are killed without any more opportunity for repentance.
The second chapter of Joel up to verse 28, is a sequence of events.
Verse 1- 11 is the Day of the Lord’s vengeance/ M.E. war/ sixth seal.
V 12-17 A call for the repentance of His people. V 18-19 They gather into the Land.
V 20 The Gog and Magog war. V 21-26 People of Zion, rejoice, I shall recompense you.
V 27 You will know that I am present in Israel and I am your Y’hovah. This verse parallels Ezekiel 39:28 It is by His deeds that He is known, not by His presence, until His Return, after the Tribulation, therefore, all the above happens before that.
Joel 2:18-20 Then, the Lord showed His ardent love for His Land and was moved with compassion for His people. He answered their appeal and gave them food in plenty. I shall expose you to the danger of attack no longer. I shall remove the Northern peril far from you, into the desert areas. The leading troops will be near the Dead Sea and the rearguard by the Mediterranean. Their rotting stench will rise up! The Lord has done great things!
Hi Keras.
Please answer these questions?
By number.
1.Is satan in prison right now and will be loosed soon? If so; why are things getting worse;not better?
Is he not responsible for all the wars of the last 1000years?
2.Why is he and his angels not cast in the fire at the coming?
3.Please explain the difference between the valley of jehosaphat;and the valey of hamongog: and the city called hamonah?
4.Where is the valley of hamongog, and the city of hamonah today?
4.Why is satan’s man called the false prophet at the coming, and called gog later. Is he the same person to you?
5.Why is the Word of God(Jesus) coming to destroy Babylon; and why will God Himself destroy gog and magog?
6.Babylon will be destroyed: not just some place or city. What does it mean by, the cities of the nations will be no more?
7 Why are christians told by the angel to come out of Babylon,and not be part of Babylon?(what Babylon)?
8 Why did God see Israel today as Sodom and Egypt?
9. Why does scripture say: Israel will be trodden by the gentiles 3/half years before the coming?
10. Can you tell the difference between the first, and the second resurrection, are they not one thousand years apart?
11. Israel will rejoice in the kingdom of God; not to confuse this with: The rejoicing of the world over the death of the two witnesses, and be drunken ,and sleep a perpetual sleep. Enough for now.
Thank you Keras.
wakeup.
Hi t8.
All good: you or anyone don’t have to believe what I have to say.
I am just revealing my picture. You can just check for any distortions, and point it out if you see any.
You say; just wait until it will be revealed to you.
But prophesies has been revealed to the true seekers thousands of years ago.
And the *revealing* of the book of revelation has been revealed 2000years ago.
Shalom.
wakeup.
Theories are a dime a dozen. Iv’e heard them all, or many of them. They all sound good and feasible. When there are multiple candidates, you will know the right one if any as time goes on.
God reveals things in their time too. If we understand the message in general, we will be prepared. We may not have the day, hour, location, identification down perfectly, but when things happen and they fit with prophecy, then that will trigger a red flag.
There are many good arguments out there that many of these prophecies have already happened too. Perhaps Christians back then were aided by many prophecies.
Israel became a nation in 1948 and Jerusalem under Jewish control in 67. These were significant times.
I think we also live in significant times. Kings of the east have fallen and left a void for Islam to exercise its muscle.
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