Vessels for Honour

[NickHassan]

For gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……….So are you saying That the LORD is not able to secure those He choses?. It's strictly up to you to decide what He can do or can not do. Are we then the savior of ourselves as you seem to think. Please post scripture the support you conclusions. Not your personal opinions.

love and peace to you and yours………………………………………gene

[NickHassan]

G,
God offers salvation to all.
That requires obedience.
Few respond.

God knows those who are His.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……….again you desire to be the savior of yourself, by your so-called (FREE WILL Choice) , But Jesus said (NO) man (CAN) come unto Him unless the FATHER draw HIM. So where do you stand, in self salvation, or Salvation by GRACE. Which is it Nick?

love and peace to you and yours………………………………..gene

[NickHassan]

G,
As you know not all are saved.
They must seek earnestly to be able to find
Those that find the way can look back and see the helping grace at every stage.

None can cast aside the fear of God and assume on His mercy.

2 Corinthians 5:11
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………..So basically you are saying your salvation is based on FEAR and Nothing to do with Love right. But scripture says LOVE CASTS OUT FEAR. SEAMS WE HAVE A DELI MA. I thought we have recieved the love of GOD into our hearts, but you evidently have recieved a spirit of FEAR and TREMBLING. ” But scripture says “but you have not recieved the Spirit of Fear , but of love and Power and of a sound MIND”. I think I will go with that brother over fear and trembling. While i do believe we should always love and respect the FATHER, but go around fearing and trembling, I hardly see love in that kind of relationship. Do you find you have a hard time being thankful to the Father for all his kindness and mercy and goodness , because of all you fears and dread thats in you brother. The Father has been very good and mercifully to me brother and i will always be eternally grateful and thankful to Him for that.

love and peace to you and yours brother…………………………………………………..gene

[NickHassan]

G,
Men have devised all sorts of odd ideas based on their view of a loving God.
Better to rely on what is written.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………….If you care to look close enough you will find what i have quoted is written, But you choose to ignore scripture that is in contradiction to you theologies. God back and reread what i have written and if you still need more scriptures i will be more then glad to supply them.

This should clear up the cob weds brother..2 Ti 1:7. For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and love, and of a sound mind. Quite trying to circumvent this brother.

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………gene

[NickHassan]

G,
Your argument is with Paul.
He did not take lightly the abilities of our awesome God

[NickHassan]

hi TT,
Man is a vessel.
Jesus was such a man and 1 clean vessel.
God was in him reconciling the world to Himself.[2Cor5]

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2009,13:57)

G, Your argument is with Paul. He did not take lightly the abilities of our awesome God

How is it my argument is with Paul when He is the one who wrote “You have (NOT) recieved the SPRIT of FEAR but of Love and POWER and A Sound MIND.

What part of Paul's wittings am i in conflict with. Because you don't understand what Paul Meant when He said workout your salvation with fear and trembling . Something a person should have Done before He was even converted and Received a different Spirit, (NOT) OF fear but of love and power and a sound mind.

Evidently you seem to not have recieved that Spirit Yet because you Preach a religion of fear and timbering. ONE of YOUR OWN so-called (FREE WILL) Choice religions.. So you see me argument is not at all with Paul but your lack of understanding.IMO

gene

[NickHassan]

G,
Better to be aligned with what is written than the speculative understandings of men.

You found that with trinity but cannot see you do the same yourself?

[kerwin]

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 25 2009,06:45)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2009,13:57) G, Your argument is with Paul. He did not take lightly the abilities of our awesome God How is it my argument is with Paul when He is the one who wrote “You have (NOT) recieved the SPRIT of FEAR but of Love and POWER and A Sound MIND. What part of Paul's wittings am i in conflict with.  Because you don't understand what Paul Meant when He said workout your salvation with fear and trembling . Something a person should have Done before He was even converted and Received a different Spirit, (NOT) OF fear but of love and power and a sound mind.   Evidently you seem to not have recieved that Spirit Yet because you Preach a religion of fear and timbering. ONE of YOUR OWN so-called (FREE WILL) Choice religions..  So you see me argument is not at all with Paul but your lack of understanding.IMO gene

Was Paul the only teacher of God?

[georg]

To all!   First of all the Father has to call us and He will give us to Jesus.  Jesus is commissioned not to loose us.  The part we play in this that we have to submit to it. What a great God we have that in spite of ourself He calls us.  Notice also with some of us He uses others to bring us to Christ.  After Baptism He then shows us our faults and that is when it becomes amazing to me.  We were Baptized in 1985 in a cold Garage.  The Minister layed Hands on each one of us.
The next day wa amazing, how the Holy Spirit showed me my faults, which I was not even aware of.  That was the best years of our lives.  And I am forever thankful to God, that He called us out of the Catholic Church.  It is so great how He uses our vessels to do the good work in us. Each day,
we lean more, even now after so many years.  
Peace an Love Irene

[NickHassan]

For t

[terraricca]

hi gene
i always wander if it is God who draws them or are them draw to the father ,just look at Abel was it God who draws him?
what about Noah was it God or was it him who recognize the need to serve God?I forgot Enoch just the same,was it God who pushess Cain to kill his brother or it was himself he had free will no one force him it was a personal decision.
and he received assistance from God.
did Christ offers his live willingly or it was God who was taking it away from him?could Christ take his live away and not be sacrificed Yes he could he had free will to choose.
what about all the apostles could they stop from serving there Lord and God of cause they could but they also have knowledge and able to understand whats at stake so with their free will,they willfully choose to serve their God and Christ to the end of there lives.

today Christians lessen to leaders who offered them free rides ,there is no free rides in this world or the one to come,there is only good conditions and bad conditions,good if you serve God with all your heart this means learning ,changing your ways,live for others no longer for yourself,Bad if you choose the devil ways.

it is you free choice.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Eventually you need to go deeper in the river of the Spirit than is comfortable.
Ez 47.5

[terraricca]

hi nick
is this a escape verse who thus not mean anything by itself only if you star;1t reading in chap41 all away to end of 48

but you did not answer the questions

[NickHassan]

Hi t,
Does the bible not answer your questions?

[terraricca]

hi Nick
yes it did but now you have end the conversation.

i all ways take the habit of only ask question that i can answer.all the other one i don't ask or say so that i don't know.
it is not so much what you know because we all know that we are students in the word of God ,but what you answer .

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