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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2013,08:41) The bottom line is that you believe Jesus IS the very God he is the SON OF. I find that belief ludicrous, nonsensical, and frankly laughable.
There really is no other way to say it Mike. That describes it.People who get caught up in the religions of men accept the most ludicrous of beliefs. And in any other field the same people are way more critical.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 25 2013,10:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2013,08:41) The bottom line is that you believe Jesus IS the very God he is the SON OF. I find that belief ludicrous, nonsensical, and frankly laughable.
There really is no other way to say it Mike. That describes it.People who get caught up in the religions of men accept the most ludicrous of beliefs. And in any other field the same people are way more critical.
Actually if I am correct Colter believe that Michael i a personification of God which became the personification of Jesus so to Colter Jesus is Michael who is God but not really though only in the sense of being a trinity with more than a trinity capacity, if that makes any sense please explain it to me…lolQuote (t8 @ Aug. 25 2013,10:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2013,08:41) The bottom line is that you believe Jesus IS the very God he is the SON OF. I find that belief ludicrous, nonsensical, and frankly laughable.
There really is no other way to say it Mike. That describes it.People who get caught up in the religions of men accept the most ludicrous of beliefs. And in any other field the same people are way more critical.
According to you Jesus mislead people.C
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 25 2013,10:32) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 25 2013,10:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2013,08:41) The bottom line is that you believe Jesus IS the very God he is the SON OF. I find that belief ludicrous, nonsensical, and frankly laughable.
There really is no other way to say it Mike. That describes it.People who get caught up in the religions of men accept the most ludicrous of beliefs. And in any other field the same people are way more critical.
Actually if I am correct Colter believe that Michael i a personification of God which became the personification of Jesus so to Colter Jesus is Michael who is God but not really though only in the sense of being a trinity with more than a trinity capacity, if that makes any sense please explain it to me…lol
Infinity is prepersonal.C
Colter.
The urantia is not meant for the poor and humble,
but for the adventurists with great imaginations.wakeup.
Jesus, the second discourse on religion .
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,18:11) Colter. The urantia is not meant for the poor and humble,
but for the adventurists with great imaginations.wakeup.
(1730.6) 155:6.2 You have come out from among those of your fellows who choose to remain satisfied with a religion of mind, who crave security and prefer conformity. You have elected to exchange your feelings of authoritative certainty for the assurances of the spirit of adventurous and progressive faith. You have dared to protest against the grueling bondage of institutional religion and to reject the authority of the traditions of record which are now regarded as the word of God. Our Father did indeed speak through Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Amos, and Hosea, but he did not cease to minister words of truth to the world when these prophets of old made an end of their utterances. My Father is no respecter of races or generations in that the word of truth is vouchsafed one age and withheld from another. Commit not the folly of calling that divine which is wholly human, and fail not to discern the words of truth which come not through the traditional oracles of supposed inspiration.(1731.1) 155:6.3 I have called upon you to be born again, to be born of the spirit. I have called you out of the darkness of authority and the lethargy of tradition into the transcendent light of the realization of the possibility of making for yourselves the greatest discovery possible for the human soul to make — the supernal experience of finding God for yourself, in yourself, and of yourself, and of doing all this as a fact in your own personal experience. And so may you pass from death to life, from the authority of tradition to the experience of knowing God; thus will you pass from darkness to light, from a racial faith inherited to a personal faith achieved by actual experience; and thereby will you progress from a theology of mind handed down by your ancestors to a true religion of spirit which shall be built up in your souls as an eternal endowment.
(1731.2) 155:6.4 Your religion shall change from the mere intellectual belief in traditional authority to the actual experience of that living faith which is able to grasp the reality of God and all that relates to the divine spirit of the Father. The religion of the mind ties you hopelessly to the past; the religion of the spirit consists in progressive revelation and ever beckons you on toward higher and holier achievements in spiritual ideals and eternal realities.
(1731.3) 155:6.5 While the religion of authority may impart a present feeling of settled security, you pay for such a transient satisfaction the price of the loss of your spiritual freedom and religious liberty. My Father does not require of you as the price of entering the kingdom of heaven that you should force yourself to subscribe to a belief in things which are spiritually repugnant, unholy, and untruthful. It is not required of you that your own sense of mercy, justice, and truth should be outraged by submission to an outworn system of religious forms and ceremonies. The religion of the spirit leaves you forever free to follow the truth wherever the leadings of the spirit may take you. And who can judge — perhaps this spirit may have something to impart to this generation which other generations have refused to hear?
(1731.4) 155:6.6 Shame on those false religious teachers who would drag hungry souls back into the dim and distant past and there leave them! And so are these unfortunate persons doomed to become frightened by every new discovery, while they are discomfited by every new revelation of truth. The prophet who said, “He will be kept in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on God,” was not a mere intellectual believer in authoritative theology. This truth-knowing human had discovered God; he was not merely talking about God.
(1731.5) 155:6.7 I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls?
(1732.1) 155:6.8 Every race of mankind has its own mental outlook upon human existence; therefore must the religion of the mind ever run true to these various racial viewpoints. Never can the religions of authority come to unification. Human unity and mortal brotherhood can be achieved only by and through the superendowment of the religion of the spirit. Racial minds may differ, but all mankind is indwelt by the same divine and eternal spirit. The hope of human brotherhood can only be realized when, and as, the divergent mind religions of authority become impregnated with, and overshadowed by, the unifying and ennobling religion of the spirit — the religion of personal spiritual experience.
(1732.2) 155:6.9 The religions of authority can only divide men and set them in conscientious array against each other; the religion of the spirit will progressively draw men together and cause them to become understandingly sympathetic with one another. The religions of authority require of men uniformity in belief, but this is impossible of realization in the present state of the world. The religion of the spirit requires only unity of experience — uniformity of destiny — making full allowance for diversity of belief. The religion of the spirit requires only uniformity of insight, not uniformity of viewpoint and outlook. The religion of the spirit does not demand uniformity of intellectual views, only unity of spirit feeling. The religions of authority crystallize into lifeless creeds; the religion of the spirit grows into the increasing joy and liberty of ennobling deeds of loving service and merciful ministration.
(1732.3) 155:6.10 But watch, lest any of you look with disdain upon the children of Abraham because they have fallen on these evil days of traditional barrenness. Our forefathers gave themselves up to the persistent and passionate search for God, and they found him as no other whole race of men have ever known him since the times of Adam, who knew much of this as he was himself a Son of God. My Father has not failed to mark the long and untiring struggle of Israel, ever since the days of Moses, to find God and to know God. For weary generations the Jews have not ceased to toil, sweat, groan, travail, and endure the sufferings and experience the sorrows of a misunderstood and despised people, all in order that they might come a little nearer the discovery of the truth about God. And, notwithstanding all the failures and falterings of Israel, our fathers progressively, from Moses to the times of Amos and Hosea, did reveal increasingly to the whole world an ever clearer and more truthful picture of the eternal God. And so was the way prepared for the still greater revelation of the Father which you have been called to share.
(1732.4) 155:6.11 Never forget there is only one adventure which is more satisfying and thrilling than the attempt to discover the will of the living God, and that is the supreme experience of honestly trying to do that divine will. And fail not to remember that the will of God can be done in any earthly occupation. Some callings are not holy and others secular. All things are sacred in the lives of those who are spirit led; that is, subordinated to truth, ennobled by love, dominated by mercy, and restrained by fairness — justice. The spirit which my Father and I shall send into the world is not only the Spirit of Truth but also the spirit of ideal
istic beauty.(1732.5) 155:6.12 You must cease to seek for the word of God only on the pages of the olden records of theologic authority. Those who are born of the spirit of God shall henceforth discern the word of God regardless of whence it appears to take origin. Divine truth must not be discounted because the channel of its bestowal is apparently human. Many of your brethren have minds which accept the theory of God while they spiritually fail to realize the presence of God. And that is just the reason why I have so often taught you that the kingdom of heaven can best be realized by acquiring the spiritual attitude of a sincere child. It is not the mental immaturity of the child that I commend to you but rather the spiritual simplicity of such an easy-believing and fully-trusting little one. It is not so important that you should know about the fact of God as that you should increasingly grow in the ability to feel the presence of God.
(1733.1) 155:6.13 When you once begin to find God in your soul, presently you will begin to discover him in other men’s souls and eventually in all the creatures and creations of a mighty universe. But what chance does the Father have to appear as a God of supreme loyalties and divine ideals in the souls of men who give little or no time to the thoughtful contemplation of such eternal realities? While the mind is not the seat of the spiritual nature, it is indeed the gateway thereto.
(1733.2) 155:6.14 But do not make the mistake of trying to prove to other men that you have found God; you cannot consciously produce such valid proof, albeit there are two positive and powerful demonstrations of the fact that you are God-knowing, and they are:
(1733.3) 155:6.15 1. The fruits of the spirit of God showing forth in your daily routine life.
(1733.4) 155:6.16 2. The fact that your entire life plan furnishes positive proof that you have unreservedly risked everything you are and have on the adventure of survival after death in the pursuit of the hope of finding the God of eternity, whose presence you have foretasted in time.
(1733.5) 155:6.17 Now, mistake not, my Father will ever respond to the faintest flicker of faith. He takes note of the physical and superstitious emotions of the primitive man. And with those honest but fearful souls whose faith is so weak that it amounts to little more than an intellectual conformity to a passive attitude of assent to religions of authority, the Father is ever alert to honor and foster even all such feeble attempts to reach out for him. But you who have been called out of darkness into the light are expected to believe with a whole heart; your faith shall dominate the combined attitudes of body, mind, and spirit.
(1733.6) 155:6.18 You are my apostles, and to you religion shall not become a theologic shelter to which you may flee in fear of facing the rugged realities of spiritual progress and idealistic adventure; but rather shall your religion become the fact of real experience which testifies that God has found you, idealized, ennobled, and spiritualized you, and that you have enlisted in the eternal adventure of finding the God who has thus found and sonshipped you.
C
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2013,18:00)
According to you Jesus mislead people.Quote (Colter @ Aug. 25 2013,04:03) (1733.5) 155:6.17 Now, mistake not, my Father (WHO IS REALLY ME) will ever respond to the faintest flicker of faith. He (BY WHICH I MEAN “I”) takes note of the physical and superstitious emotions of the primitive man. Actually, I believe it is according to YOU that Jesus mislead people, Colter. How are we to believe a man IS his own Father when he constantly speaks about “my Father” as someone other than him?
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2013,15:06) I will ask again since you seem to be ashamed of it, what denomination are you?
As I said before, it is irrelevant. But since you insist, I don't belong to any denomination.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2013,03:02) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2013,18:00)
According to you Jesus mislead people.Quote (Colter @ Aug. 25 2013,04:03) (1733.5) 155:6.17 Now, mistake not, my Father (WHO IS REALLY ME) will ever respond to the faintest flicker of faith. He (BY WHICH I MEAN “I”) takes note of the physical and superstitious emotions of the primitive man. Actually, I believe it is according to YOU that Jesus mislead people, Colter. How are we to believe a man IS his own Father when he constantly speaks about “my Father” as someone other than him?
I have explained it to you but you are proud and stubborn, triune deity is a personification of the infinite I AM. Jesus is himself a Son of that personification. Notice Jesus doesn't call God his I AM. The Trinity is his Father.According to you, when Philip asked Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus should have said “he's in heaven silly, I'm just a sinless divine man who must die so God can finally forgive everybody. Of coarse I'm not God, because in the future a few thick heads won't be able to understand that God is spirit.”
Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 25 2013,13:32) Actually if I am correct Colter believe that Michael i a personification of God which became the personification of Jesus so to Colter Jesus is Michael who is God but not really though only in the sense of being a trinity with more than a trinity capacity, if that makes any sense please explain it to me…lol
JW doctrine on steroids?All those Urantia verses is but noise to distract from the fact that there is an illogical, impossible, and ludicrous trinity in the Urantia book/movie.
If the foundation is wrong, then all the flash verses in the world will not save it Colter.
In fact even if these verses were true, it still collapses because of the Trinity foundation.
This is a well known tactic of the Devil. Give them lies coated with some truth, in order to get them to swallow it.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2013,09:25) All those Urantia verses is but noise to distract from the fact that there is an illogical, impossible, and ludicrous trinity in the Urantia book/movie. If the foundation is wrong, then all the flash verses in the world will not save it Colter.
In fact even if these verses were true, it still collapses because of the Trinity foundation.
This is a well known tactic of the Devil. Give them lies coated with some truth, in order to get them to swallow it.
T8.This is how they work,including islam and the others.
Agree with some of the scriptures, but also diagree with the core of the doctrine.
Their job is to confuse the seekers.wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2013,09:25) All those Urantia verses is but noise to distract from the fact that there is an illogical, impossible, and ludicrous trinity in the Urantia book/movie. If the foundation is wrong, then all the flash verses in the world will not save it Colter.
In fact even if these verses were true, it still collapses because of the Trinity foundation.
This is a well known tactic of the Devil. Give them lies coated with some truth, in order to get them to swallow it.
Plenty of people understand the philosophical aproach that the revelators of the UB took in explaining the sharing and lovable nature of the pre-personal, infinite I AM. Jesus revealed it in his teaching, its in the gospels. Billions of deciples of Jesus can see what is so plainly written. Something in your head or heart, is blocking you in the same way he Jews disbelieve.Call it whatever you want, hide from the devilish boogy man under your bed, that's your choice.
Your “foundation” is no different than the one used to reject Christ, same sort of intellectual egotism.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 26 2013,09:48) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2013,09:25) All those Urantia verses is but noise to distract from the fact that there is an illogical, impossible, and ludicrous trinity in the Urantia book/movie. If the foundation is wrong, then all the flash verses in the world will not save it Colter.
In fact even if these verses were true, it still collapses because of the Trinity foundation.
This is a well known tactic of the Devil. Give them lies coated with some truth, in order to get them to swallow it.
Plenty of people understand the philosophical aproach that the revelators of the UB took in explaining the sharing and lovable nature of the pre-personal, infinite I AM. Jesus revealed it in his teaching, its in the gospels. Billions of deciples of Jesus can see what is so plainly written. Something in your head or heart, is blocking you in the same way he Jews disbelieve.Call it whatever you want, hide from the devilish boogy man under your bed, that's your choice.
Your “foundation” is no different than the one used to reject Christ, same sort of intellectual egotism.
Colter
Colter.How many masters will you have in your kingdom?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 26 2013,10:14) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 26 2013,09:48) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2013,09:25) All those Urantia verses is but noise to distract from the fact that there is an illogical, impossible, and ludicrous trinity in the Urantia book/movie. If the foundation is wrong, then all the flash verses in the world will not save it Colter.
In fact even if these verses were true, it still collapses because of the Trinity foundation.
This is a well known tactic of the Devil. Give them lies coated with some truth, in order to get them to swallow it.
Plenty of people understand the philosophical aproach that the revelators of the UB took in explaining the sharing and lovable nature of the pre-personal, infinite I AM. Jesus revealed it in his teaching, its in the gospels. Billions of deciples of Jesus can see what is so plainly written. Something in your head or heart, is blocking you in the same way he Jews disbelieve.Call it whatever you want, hide from the devilish boogy man under your bed, that's your choice.
Your “foundation” is no different than the one used to reject Christ, same sort of intellectual egotism.
Colter
Colter.How many masters will you have in your kingdom?
wakeup.
God is one, and the kingdom of heaven is already here.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 25 2013,15:06) According to you, when Philip asked Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus should have said “he's in heaven silly, I'm just a sinless divine man who must die so God can finally forgive everybody.
Colter,Consider the following:
John 12
44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.Are you able to see how Jesus wasn't saying he was LITERALLY the Father, but instead that he is so much like the Father who sent him that seeing him is LIKE seeing the Father who sent him?
He clearly identifies himself as someone OTHER THAN “the one who sent me”, right? “Believers don't believe in Jesus ONLY – but ALSO in the one who SENT Jesus”, right?
So that passage above completely explains the “when you see me you see the Father” statement Jesus made to Philip. It makes that statement null and void as some kind of a “proof text” that Jesus is LITERALLY the Father who SENT him.
So now that your one and only “proof text” has been nullified, what do you have left to use against the HUNDREDS of scriptures that clearly list the Son as someone OTHER THAN the Father?
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 25 2013,17:22) God is one……..
Colter,In YOUR OWN words, tell me which three persons make up the Urantia Trinity.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2013,10:22) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 25 2013,15:06) According to you, when Philip asked Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus should have said “he's in heaven silly, I'm just a sinless divine man who must die so God can finally forgive everybody.
Colter,Consider the following:
John 12
44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.Are you able to see how Jesus wasn't saying he was LITERALLY the Father, but instead that he is so much like the Father who sent him that seeing him is LIKE seeing the Father who sent him?
He clearly identifies himself as someone OTHER THAN “the one who sent me”, right? “Believers don't believe in Jesus ONLY – but ALSO in the one who SENT Jesus”, right?
So that passage above completely explains the “when you see me you see the Father” statement Jesus made to Philip. It makes that statement null and void as some kind of a “proof text” that Jesus is LITERALLY the Father who SENT him.
So now that your one and only “proof text” has been nullified, what do you have left to use against the HUNDREDS of scriptures that clearly list the Son as someone OTHER THAN the Father?
Yes Mike, I do see that. Jesus did not claim to be the deity absolute, total infinity, the I AM, ever, anywhere. He is an eternal Son of the Personification of I AM.You and I can only experience the I AM as a Personality through the creator Son, who is a revelation of that personality. He's a ” chip off the ole block” not the entire block.
I do understand your protestation about how Jesus was not saying he was a Son of a Father and the Father —-> in totality<—– at the same time.
But while Jesus is not the Father absolute in infinity, he is a divine being far far higher than man, with immense power and attributes. He is much more than a mere glorified prophet. He is the Father of our local universe, a representative of the Paradice Trenity.
Paul actually thought Jesus was th second person of th Trinity but he got that wrong.
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2013,10:26) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 25 2013,17:22) God is one……..
Colter,In YOUR OWN words, tell me which three persons make up the Urantia Trinity.
Not corporeal persons, spirit personalitiesFather
Son
Spirit
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 25 2013,17:44) But while Jesus is not the Father absolute in infinity, he is a divine being far far higher than man, with immense power and attributes.
Agreed.Quote (Colter @ Aug. 25 2013,17:44) He is the Father of our local universe, a representative of the Paradice Trenity.
I can't read that in scripture, so I disagree.Quote (Colter @ Aug. 25 2013,17:44) Paul actually thought Jesus was th second person of th Trinity but he got that wrong.
There is nothing in scripture to imply Paul thought any such thing, so I disagree.Quote (Colter @ Aug. 25 2013,17:44) I do understand your protestation about how Jesus was not saying he was a Son of a Father and the Father —-> in totality<—– at the same time.
Then you agree that the Son is NOT the Father? So why have you been claiming so hard-headedly that he IS?
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