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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,13:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,11:24) BTW: JESUS IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCH ANGEL.
HE CREATED ALL THE ANGELS.***WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE***.
HOW CAN THE CREATOR ALSO BE THE CREATURE.
*WITHOUT THE CREATOR* WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE**MICHAEL WAS MADE BY JESUS.
wakeup.
Never said he was. Michael is the heavenly name for the Creator Son just like Gabriel's name is Gabriel.Colter
Colter.Thats right;you believe in many creators.
Mother creator,God creator,Michael creator,and an other mother creator.
A fried noodles combination.
I bet you are confused yourself.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,16:53) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,13:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,11:24) BTW: JESUS IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCH ANGEL.
HE CREATED ALL THE ANGELS.***WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE***.
HOW CAN THE CREATOR ALSO BE THE CREATURE.
*WITHOUT THE CREATOR* WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE**MICHAEL WAS MADE BY JESUS.
wakeup.
Never said he was. Michael is the heavenly name for the Creator Son just like Gabriel's name is Gabriel.Colter
Colter.Thats right;you believe in many creators.
Mother creator,God creator,Michael creator,and an other mother creator.
A fried noodles combination.
I bet you are confused yourself.wakeup.
Indeed this is a friendly and carefully managed universe despite the portrayals of God as jealous and angry, a tyrant who directs his so called “chosen people” to conquer and murder men, women and children.Then there is the double minded God who creates a Satan God to work against his will.
Colter
Happy birthday Jesus
The Birth of Jesus
(1351.5) 122:8.1 All that night Mary was restless so that neither of them slept much. By the break of day the pangs of childbirth were well in evidence, and at noon, August 21, 7 B.C., with the help and kind ministrations of women fellow travelers, Mary was delivered of a male child. Jesus of Nazareth was born into the world, was wrapped in the clothes which Mary had brought along for such a possible contingency, and laid in a near-by manger.
(1351.6) 122:8.2 In just the same manner as all babies before that day and since have come into the world, the promised child was born; and on the eighth day, according to the Jewish practice, he was circumcised and formally named Joshua (Jesus).
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,21:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,16:53) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,13:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,11:24) BTW: JESUS IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCH ANGEL.
HE CREATED ALL THE ANGELS.***WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE***.
HOW CAN THE CREATOR ALSO BE THE CREATURE.
*WITHOUT THE CREATOR* WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE**MICHAEL WAS MADE BY JESUS.
wakeup.
Never said he was. Michael is the heavenly name for the Creator Son just like Gabriel's name is Gabriel.Colter
Colter.Thats right;you believe in many creators.
Mother creator,God creator,Michael creator,and an other mother creator.
A fried noodles combination.
I bet you are confused yourself.wakeup.
Indeed this is a friendly and carefully managed universe despite the portrayals of God as jealous and angry, a tyrant who directs his so called “chosen people” to conquer and murder men, women and children.Then there is the double minded God who creates a Satan God to work against his will.
Colter
Colter.How can mankind know evil?
Is it not by going through the experience,
By seeing evil and feeling evil,and pain,and sufferings?
God created Lucifer for This purpose,
That men will know what is good and what is bad.
God also introduced good. Now we must choose.Ones evil has served its purpose;it will be destroyed.
To be Gods children;we must know what is good and what is evil.
You have not discovered the big picture.I dont think you ever will.
Your spirit is on one frequency with certain doctrines.
Therefore can not connect with Gods frequency.
You need to change channels,turn the dial to connect with Gods channel.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,03:45) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,21:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,16:53) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,13:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,11:24) BTW: JESUS IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCH ANGEL.
HE CREATED ALL THE ANGELS.***WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE***.
HOW CAN THE CREATOR ALSO BE THE CREATURE.
*WITHOUT THE CREATOR* WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE**MICHAEL WAS MADE BY JESUS.
wakeup.
Never said he was. Michael is the heavenly name for the Creator Son just like Gabriel's name is Gabriel.Colter
Colter.Thats right;you believe in many creators.
Mother creator,God creator,Michael creator,and an other mother creator.
A fried noodles combination.
I bet you are confused yourself.wakeup.
Indeed this is a friendly and carefully managed universe despite the portrayals of God as jealous and angry, a tyrant who directs his so called “chosen people” to conquer and murder men, women and children.Then there is the double minded God who creates a Satan God to work against his will.
Colter
Colter.How can mankind know evil?
Is it not by going through the experience,
By seeing evil and feeling evil,and pain,and sufferings?
God created Lucifer for This purpose,
That men will know what is good and what is bad.
God also introduced good. Now we must choose.Ones evil has served its purpose;it will be destroyed.
To be Gods children;we must know what is good and what is evil.
You have not discovered the big picture.I dont think you ever will.
Your spirit is on one frequency with certain doctrines.
Therefore can not connect with Gods frequency.
You need to change channels,turn the dial to connect with Gods channel.wakeup.
The endowment of free will in man provides the potential and subsequent lesson of evil.God does not have two opposing wills. He is perfect, you obviously are not.
Lucifer was a “brilliant angel of life” who betrayed his sacred trust and misled the whole world. He was condemned by God for that, so your theory is silly.
Colter
Isaiah 10:1 Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed;
Isaiah 10:2 To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless!
Isaiah 10:3 And what will ye do in the day of visitation, and in the desolation which shall come from far? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?
Isaiah 10:4 Without me they shall bow down under the prisoners, and they shall fall under the slain. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
Isaiah 10:5 *O Assyrian*, the rod of mine anger, and the *staff in their hand* is mine indignation.
Isaiah 10:6 *I will send him* against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will *I give him a charge*, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and *to tread them down* like the mire of the streets.
Isaiah 10:7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to *destroy and cut off nations not a few*.
Isaiah 10:8 **For he saith**, Are not my princes altogether kings?
Isaiah 10:9 Is not Calno as Carchemish? is not Hamath as Arpad? is not Samaria as Damascus?
Isaiah 10:10 ** As my hand hath found the kingdoms of the idols**, and whose graven images did excel them of Jerusalem and of Samaria;
Isaiah 10:11 *Shall I not*, as I have done unto Samaria and her idols, so *do to Jerusalem* and her idols?
Isaiah 10:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed *his whole work* upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, *I will punish* the fruit of the *stout heart* of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his *high looks*.
Isaiah 10:13 **For he saith**, By the strength of my hand I have done it, and *by my wisdom*; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds of the people, and have *robbed their treasures*, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man:
Isaiah 10:14 And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, **have I gathered all the earth**; **and there was none that moved the wing**, or opened the mouth, or peeped.
GOD IN REPLY TO THE ASSYRIANS(SATAN) BOASTING.
Isaiah 10:15 Shall the axe boast itself **against him that heweth therewith**? or shall the saw magnify itself **against him that shaketh it**? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.
Isaiah 10:16 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.
Isaiah 10:17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour **his thorns** *and his briers* in *one day*;
Isaiah 10:18 And shall consume the glory *of his forest*, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth.
Isaiah 10:19 And the rest of the trees of his forest *shall be few*, that a child may write them.
Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass *in that day*, that the *remnant of Israel*, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but *shall stay upon the LORD*, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isaiah 10:21 **The remnant shall return**, even the remnant of Jacob, *unto the mighty God*.
Isaiah 10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet *a remnant of them shall return*: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
Isaiah 10:23 For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a **consumption**, even determined, in the midst of all the land.
Isaiah 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people **that dwellest in Zion**, be not afraid **of the Assyrian**: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
Isaiah 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and *mine anger* in their destruction.
Isaiah 10:26 And the LORD of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and as his rod was upon the sea, so shall *he lift it up* after the manner of Egypt.
Isaiah 10:27 And it shall come to pass *in that day*, that his burden shall be *taken away* from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of *the anointing*.
Isaiah 10:28 He is come to Aiath, he is passed to Migron; at Michmash he hath laid up his carriages:
Isaiah 10:29 They are gone over the passage: they have taken up their lodging at Geba; Ramah is afraid; Gibeah of Saul is fled.
Isaiah 10:30 Lift up thy voice, O daughter of Gallim: cause it to be heard unto Laish, O poor Anathoth.
Isaiah 10:31 Madmenah is removed; the inhabitants of Gebim gather themselves to flee.
Isaiah 10:32 As yet shall he remain at Nob that day: *he shall shake his hand against the mount of the daughter of Zion*, *the hill of Jerusalem*.
Isaiah 10:33 Behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, shall lop the bough with terror: and the high ones of stature shall be hewn down, and the *haughty shall be humbled*.
Isaiah 10:34 And he shall cut down the thickets of the forest with iron, and Lebanon shall fall by a mighty one.
I am not posting this for your sake,but for them that like to read it, and hope will understand.
wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,16:29) We will bid farewell to Christ where he is resident on the headquarters world at “the right hand of the Father” We will continue on through many more phases as we make our way to Paradice where we will one day stand in the presence of the Eternal God.
So we'll bid farewell to Christ – only to continue on the Eternal God……….. WHO IS CHRIST ANYWAY?
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,16:35) …….you don't even seem to understand what you don't agree with, so for now it's best to stick with your current beliefs.
I don't agree that the Son OF the only “Eternal Creator God” could BE that very same “Eternal Creator God” that he is the Son OF.And I will stick with my current beliefs – for they are ones taught by Jesus himself, and the rest of scripture.
Colter. You have rejected the word of God and accepted the doctrine of demons and wisdom of man. That is your choice of course. It is your soul, hence you do with as you see fit.
1 Timothy 4:1
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,15:32) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 21 2013,11:10) Colter. The fact that you believe in a Trinity at all proves your foundation is faulty. No amount of verses and no amount of human reasoning can stand when the foundation is wrong.
Even if you think the building is strong, if the foundation is weak, it will all collapse.
Your deck of cards has already fallen by the way.
Light has come into the world but the world preferred darkness to light.And who is the Prince of Darkness?
It is the one who poses as an Angel of Light?And why pose as an angel of Light?
To deceive people who do not embrace the true light.For the true light has already come into the world.
But you have not embraced it and have chosen another light which is not true light at all.
Oooh, that's spookey, did you get that from jwsermons.com?Colter
What I say is true.
That is the best I can do for you.
Those that would flatter you are not your friend.
Even a parent chastises a child in order to save him.
And a friend would warn of impending doom.
But can you come back from a seared conscience?Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,15:40) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 21 2013,11:16)
Colter. Jesus is the image of the invisible God.
We are also made in the image of God.No image is the source. That is common sense.
We do not believe that any image is the source.
Thus the image of God is not God but his image.
Likewise, the son of God is not God, but his son.
And it was God who made Jesus both Lord and Christ.
This is what we believe about the son and we believe this because this is what is written.
We steer clear of what men have said since that contradicts that which was written down for us.
Well maybe one day you will loose your spcial caseness form of prejudice and the scriptures will be open to you. Like Thomas you just might experience an attitude change.Colter
You have not refuted what I have said because you cannot.
If you cannot, then that means you are lacking.
If you are lacking, then you need more than what you understand now.Colter, try to aim for a higher level of rebuttal as your reply is near the bottom rung of the pyramid.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2013,16:21) WAIT…..The ONE GOD the Father part is not exaggerated it is LITERAL. There are not many gods that are actually gods, that number is and will remain 0.
Who told you that, Asana? Certainly not scripture.Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2013,16:21) I do not agree with multiple lords either
That belief is also against scripture. Besides, you just agreed with me that the “one lord Jesus Christ” part of Paul's teaching was an exaggerated statement.Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2013,16:21) 11 I, even I, am the Lord;
and beside me there is no saviour.This is actually saing He is the only true saviour since it excludes all others.
Yet we know from scripture that Jehovah sent many saviors – including our Lord Jesus Christ. So once again, your belief is against scripture.Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2013,16:21) It is not exaggereated to say Jehovah is the ULTIMATE GOD in fact the ULTIMATE GOD would be UNIQUE in such a way that even conferring godlike powers on another being would not diminish HIS SUPREMACY in the least
Agreed. It is not exaggerated to say Jehovah is the ULTIMATE god. But it IS exaggerated to say He is LITERALLY the ONLY one. He can't be “the god OF gods” if there exist no gods for Him to be the god of.Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2013,16:21) whatever HE gives only Qualifies HIM more to be praised as th only ONE Worthy of WORSHIP.
Agreed.Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2013,16:21) In the truest sense ONLY GOD does not require outside assistance to be
Only the MOST HIGH god doesn't require outside assistance. All the other gods wouldn't be gods at all if not for power given them from the Most High God Jehovah.Asana, do you deny that Jesus Christ is Lord? YES or NO?
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2013,00:56) Then there is the double minded God who creates a Satan God to work against his will.
This is free will a necessary condition to enable true love.
Love cannot truly exist if there is not choice to not love.Because some have chosen against God using the godly ability to choose, then they have chosen against the one who has life eternal and hence in order for them to come to God, he has to tell them of their true condition. If he did not do that, then that would probably be the number one complaint on Judgement Day when they give account for their lives.
But God has made it abundantly clear that light has come into the world. And men have chosen a myriad of ways to reject that light including running after the doctrine of demons to appease the conscience.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2013,09:12) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,16:35) …….you don't even seem to understand what you don't agree with, so for now it's best to stick with your current beliefs.
I don't agree that the Son OF the only “Eternal Creator God” could BE that very same “Eternal Creator God” that he is the Son OF.And I will stick with my current beliefs – for they are ones taught by Jesus himself, and the rest of scripture.
1. “Self-Distribution of the First Source and Center(108.4) 10:1.1 It would seem that the Father, back in eternity, inaugurated a policy of profound self-distribution. There is inherent in the selfless, loving, and lovable nature of the Universal Father something which causes him to reserve to himself the exercise of only those powers and that authority which he apparently finds it impossible to delegate or to bestow.
(108.5) 10:1.2 The Universal Father all along has divested himself of every part of himself that was bestowable on any other Creator or creature. He has delegated to his divine Sons and their associated intelligences every power and all authority that could be delegated. He has actually transferred to his Sovereign Sons, in their respective universes, every prerogative of administrative authority that was transferable. In the affairs of a local universe, he has made each Sovereign Creator Son just as perfect, competent, and authoritative as is the Eternal Son in the original and central universe. He has given away, actually bestowed, with the dignity and sanctity of personality possession, all of himself and all of his attributes, everything he possibly could divest himself of, in every way, in every age, in every place, and to every person, and in every universe except that of his central indwelling.”UB
Colter
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 22 2013,09:23) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,15:40) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 21 2013,11:16)
Colter. Jesus is the image of the invisible God.
We are also made in the image of God.No image is the source. That is common sense.
We do not believe that any image is the source.
Thus the image of God is not God but his image.
Likewise, the son of God is not God, but his son.
And it was God who made Jesus both Lord and Christ.
This is what we believe about the son and we believe this because this is what is written.
We steer clear of what men have said since that contradicts that which was written down for us.
Well maybe one day you will loose your spcial caseness form of prejudice and the scriptures will be open to you. Like Thomas you just might experience an attitude change.Colter
You have not refuted what I have said because you cannot.
If you cannot, then that means you are lacking.
If you are lacking, then you need more than what you understand now.Colter, try to aim for a higher level of rebuttal as your reply is near the bottom rung of the pyramid.
You should take an honest look a yourself t8, not everyone on this forum is happy about the way you have conducted yourself and abused your moderating power. Some left.Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2013,09:12) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,16:35) …….you don't even seem to understand what you don't agree with, so for now it's best to stick with your current beliefs.
I don't agree that the Son OF the only “Eternal Creator God” could BE that very same “Eternal Creator God” that he is the Son OF.And I will stick with my current beliefs – for they are ones taught by Jesus himself, and the rest of scripture.
Argue your point with Jesus then, setting aside the mental gymnastics of belligerent denial.The Father Revealed
7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2013,09:05) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,16:29) We will bid farewell to Christ where he is resident on the headquarters world at “the right hand of the Father” We will continue on through many more phases as we make our way to Paradice where we will one day stand in the presence of the Eternal God.
So we'll bid farewell to Christ – only to continue on the Eternal God……….. WHO IS CHRIST ANYWAY?
Lord and God of this world.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,17:02) Argue your point with Jesus then, setting aside the mental gymnastics of belligerent denial.
Jesus is the one who told me that my Father is also his Father, and my God is also his God.I believe him, therefore I have nothing to argue with him about.
When Jesus said, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God”, I wonder if any of his disciples were confused as to why their Father and God would say he was ascending TO their Father and God?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2013,10:14) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,17:02) Argue your point with Jesus then, setting aside the mental gymnastics of belligerent denial.
Jesus is the one who told me that my Father is also his Father, and my God is also his God.I believe him, therefore I have nothing to argue with him about.
When Jesus said, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God”, I wonder if any of his disciples were confused as to why their Father and God would say he was ascending TO their Father and God?
The apostles were often befuddled by Jesus, whenever a divine being interacts with finite beings, in person, there will be apparent contradictions and not a small amount of confusion. Jesus was a miraculous person.I could also extrapolate a few sentances to demonstrate that Jesus was human and others to show him to be God. I consider the totality of, where Jesus came from, what he did, what he said about himself, and his position on high now.
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2013,09:24)
They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #31)
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