- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Sometimes map makers include a fictional place on their maps so they can catch those who copy their work or make a work based on their copyrighted map.
Likewise the Urantia or whatever it is called copies the errors of bible interpretation. Proof is their Trinity. The Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible and is clearly not taught.
The Trinity is a dead give away of being of Babylonian origin as it originates in Babylon. The son of that Trinity was even supposedly born on Dec 25th.
Regarding the Mystery Babylon religion, biblical prophecy informs us to come out of her and she has made the whole world drunk on her wine and committed adultery with the kings of the Earth. The most famous player in the Mystery Babylonian religion is the Vatican and the Catholic Church. The Urantia is a small player, but a player all the same.
Of the little of I have read of the Urantia (that Colter has posted here), I have seen the Trinity twice out of about 3 times I have bothered to read a quote here or there.
So just another false religion then that regurgitates the Trinity of Babylon while Colter is just another victim of this age old deception.
Colter. Please add a picture of the Urtantialist Trinity in a post to complete the picture.
Then we will have an accurate progression of the Babylonian Mystery Religion.
Interesting!
Yet your faith rest in three, the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost, Right?
You do believe that the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost are ONE don't you?
You do believe in the three as the means by which you are saved don't you?
So in reality you believe in a Trinity also, just a different version of it, hey?
WJ
So believing in any three things that are “one”, like Peter, Paul, and John are “one” with God and His servant Jesus Christ, is the same as believing that we have a Trinity Godhead made up of three persons?
I've explained to t8 before that the Trinity of the UB is different then the Christian concept but he either didn't understand, listen, read what I said or all three.
In the UB Christ Michael is a creation of Triune deity, he's not the second person of the Trinity. In the UB the Paradice creator Sons are unique personifications of deity. To see a Paradice creator Son is to see the Father. “if you have seen me you have seen the Father”
But I agree, much of the gospel writings are from Paul's personal Pagan influences ; the virgin birth, atonement etc.
Colter
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2013,00:07) Interesting! Yet your faith rest in three, the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost, Right?
You do believe that the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost are ONE don't you?
You do believe in the three as the means by which you are saved don't you?
So in reality you believe in a Trinity also, just a different version of it, hey?
WJ
I noticed that “hey” at the end of your sentence. That's Kiwi talk. My girlfriend was a Kiwi living in assie on the Gold Coast. She use to say that a lot, hey? Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,05:44) I've explained to t8 before that the Trinity of the UB is different then the Christian concept but he either didn't understand, listen, read what I said or all three. In the UB Christ Michael is a creation of Triune deity, he's not the second person of the Trinity. In the UB the Paradice creator Sons are unique personifications of deity. To see a Paradice creator Son is to see the Father. “if you have seen me you have seen the Father”
But I agree, much of the gospel writings are from Paul's personal Pagan influences ; the virgin birth, atonement etc.
Colter
I agree that T8 is correct on the Urantia Book showing its origination to not be sourced from God because of absorbing the errors of its day. For instance even the term “creator personifications of deity” how many creaor sons are there? f there aresveral how does that correspond with the term trinity? It appears the term trinity was used as a buzzword forthe generally accepted Idea of “trinity” when the book was written.The trinity was very popular at the time Muhammad received the Quran an it outright rejects any term or reality such as a trinity even though that was the unpopular stance and that's because there is no trinity period.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #73)
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,05:59) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,05:44) I've explained to t8 before that the Trinity of the UB is different then the Christian concept but he either didn't understand, listen, read what I said or all three. In the UB Christ Michael is a creation of Triune deity, he's not the second person of the Trinity. In the UB the Paradice creator Sons are unique personifications of deity. To see a Paradice creator Son is to see the Father. “if you have seen me you have seen the Father”
But I agree, much of the gospel writings are from Paul's personal Pagan influences ; the virgin birth, atonement etc.
Colter
I agree that T8 is correct on the Urantia Book showing its origination to not be sourced from God because of absorbing the errors of its day. For instance even the term “creator personifications of deity” how many creaor sons are there? f there aresveral how does that correspond with the term trinity? It appears the term trinity was used as a buzzword forthe generally accepted Idea of “trinity” when the book was written.The trinity was very popular at the time Muhammad received the Quran an it outright rejects any term or reality such as a trinity even though that was the unpopular stance and that's because there is no trinity period.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #73)
Maybe you should read and comprehend the UB teachings on the Trinity so that you know what it is that you disagree with instead of making a fool of yourself by talking from ignorance.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,06:03) Here is the UB Trinity picture. UB Trinity & administrative structure
Colter
(3.19) 0:2.6 GOD is a word symbol designating all personalizations of Deity. The term requires a different definition on each personal level of Deity function and must be still further redefined within each of these levels, as this term may be used to designate the diverse co-ordinate and subordinate personalizations of Deity; for example: the Paradise Creator Sons — the local universe fathers.John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.Notice the simplicity of understanding that the word “Him” does not correlate to the MANY. There is no doubt that the Urantia Book was spiritually fed by the Caholic church but tried to explain the unexplainable i.e. “the trinity” because it is a false concept.
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,06:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,05:59) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,05:44) I've explained to t8 before that the Trinity of the UB is different then the Christian concept but he either didn't understand, listen, read what I said or all three. In the UB Christ Michael is a creation of Triune deity, he's not the second person of the Trinity. In the UB the Paradice creator Sons are unique personifications of deity. To see a Paradice creator Son is to see the Father. “if you have seen me you have seen the Father”
But I agree, much of the gospel writings are from Paul's personal Pagan influences ; the virgin birth, atonement etc.
Colter
I agree that T8 is correct on the Urantia Book showing its origination to not be sourced from God because of absorbing the errors of its day. For instance even the term “creator personifications of deity” how many creaor sons are there? f there aresveral how does that correspond with the term trinity? It appears the term trinity was used as a buzzword forthe generally accepted Idea of “trinity” when the book was written.The trinity was very popular at the time Muhammad received the Quran an it outright rejects any term or reality such as a trinity even though that was the unpopular stance and that's because there is no trinity period.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #73)
Maybe you should read and comprehend the UB teachings on the Trinity so that you know what it is that you disagree with instead of making a fool of yourself by talking from ignorance.Colter
Have you noticed I actually show the UB position and any errors within it?like this:
“The prophets have all taught you that Yahweh cares for his people, that God loves Israel. But I have come among you to proclaim a greater truth, one which many of the later prophets also grasped, that God loves you–every one of you–as individuals. All these generations have you had a national or racial religion; now have I come to give you a personal religion.” Jesus, (1629.5) 145:2.4
That would be false because the religion of Noah was necessarily the religion of all men before Judaism was a more national religion. Jesus did not say the above Quote because he would have known the facts lacking here.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,06:19) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,06:03) Here is the UB Trinity picture. UB Trinity & administrative structure
Colter
(3.19) 0:2.6 GOD is a word symbol designating all personalizations of Deity. The term requires a different definition on each personal level of Deity function and must be still further redefined within each of these levels, as this term may be used to designate the diverse co-ordinate and subordinate personalizations of Deity; for example: the Paradise Creator Sons — the local universe fathers.John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.Notice the simplicity of understanding that the word “Him” does not correlate to the MANY. There is no doubt that the Urantia Book was spiritually fed by the Caholic church but tried to explain the unexplainable i.e. “the trinity” because it is a false concept.
What I notice about you bodhitharta is that you pick and choose things from the NT to use as a foundation for your arguments while you reject the NT story of the resurrection, the pre existence of Jesus, the divinity of Jeses etc. So I don't feel you debate in good faith.Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,06:37) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,06:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,05:59) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,05:44) I've explained to t8 before that the Trinity of the UB is different then the Christian concept but he either didn't understand, listen, read what I said or all three. In the UB Christ Michael is a creation of Triune deity, he's not the second person of the Trinity. In the UB the Paradice creator Sons are unique personifications of deity. To see a Paradice creator Son is to see the Father. “if you have seen me you have seen the Father”
But I agree, much of the gospel writings are from Paul's personal Pagan influences ; the virgin birth, atonement etc.
Colter
I agree that T8 is correct on the Urantia Book showing its origination to not be sourced from God because of absorbing the errors of its day. For instance even the term “creator personifications of deity” how many creaor sons are there? f there aresveral how does that correspond with the term trinity? It appears the term trinity was used as a buzzword forthe generally accepted Idea of “trinity” when the book was written.The trinity was very popular at the time Muhammad received the Quran an it outright rejects any term or reality such as a trinity even though that was the unpopular stance and that's because there is no trinity period.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #73)
Maybe you should read and comprehend the UB teachings on the Trinity so that you know what it is that you disagree with instead of making a fool of yourself by talking from ignorance.Colter
Have you noticed I actually show the UB position and any errors within it?like this:
“The prophets have all taught you that Yahweh cares for his people, that God loves Israel. But I have come among you to proclaim a greater truth, one which many of the later prophets also grasped, that God loves you–every one of you–as individuals. All these generations have you had a national or racial religion; now have I come to give you a personal religion.” Jesus, (1629.5) 145:2.4
That would be false because the religion of Noah was necessarily the religion of all men before Judaism was a more national religion. Jesus did not say the above Quote because he would have known the facts lacking here.
Noah flood story was a creation of the Hebrews in Babylon. The whole world isn't Jewish and all living things weren't on some stupid boat floating around for a year.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,07:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,06:37) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,06:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,05:59) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,05:44) I've explained to t8 before that the Trinity of the UB is different then the Christian concept but he either didn't understand, listen, read what I said or all three. In the UB Christ Michael is a creation of Triune deity, he's not the second person of the Trinity. In the UB the Paradice creator Sons are unique personifications of deity. To see a Paradice creator Son is to see the Father. “if you have seen me you have seen the Father”
But I agree, much of the gospel writings are from Paul's personal Pagan influences ; the virgin birth, atonement etc.
Colter
I agree that T8 is correct on the Urantia Book showing its origination to not be sourced from God because of absorbing the errors of its day. For instance even the term “creator personifications of deity” how many creaor sons are there? f there aresveral how does that correspond with the term trinity? It appears the term trinity was used as a buzzword forthe generally accepted Idea of “trinity” when the book was written.The trinity was very popular at the time Muhammad received the Quran an it outright rejects any term or reality such as a trinity even though that was the unpopular stance and that's because there is no trinity period.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #73)
Maybe you should read and comprehend the UB teachings on the Trinity so that you know what it is that you disagree with instead of making a fool of yourself by talking from ignorance.Colter
Have you noticed I actually show the UB position and any errors within it?like this:
“The prophets have all taught you that Yahweh cares for his people, that God loves Israel. But I have come among you to proclaim a greater truth, one which many of the later prophets also grasped, that God loves you–every one of you–as individuals. All these generations have you had a national or racial religion; now have I come to give you a personal religion.” Jesus, (1629.5) 145:2.4
That would be false because the religion of Noah was necessarily the religion of all men before Judaism was a more national religion. Jesus did not say the above Quote because he would have known the facts lacking here.
Noah flood story was a creation of the Hebrews in Babylon. The whole world isn't Jewish and all living things weren't on some stupid boat floating around for a year.Colter
Colter.You *believe* in Jesus,but then *disagree* with what he says.
For he did mention the days of Noah.
This is how all these new religions are construted.
Agree with the scriptures in some parts;then disagree in some parts. This is what makes them different.Causing confusion is the whole plan.
We need to wake up to satans craftiness.
For he is of a higher plain than humans.wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,07:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,06:19) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,06:03) Here is the UB Trinity picture. UB Trinity & administrative structure
Colter
(3.19) 0:2.6 GOD is a word symbol designating all personalizations of Deity. The term requires a different definition on each personal level of Deity function and must be still further redefined within each of these levels, as this term may be used to designate the diverse co-ordinate and subordinate personalizations of Deity; for example: the Paradise Creator Sons — the local universe fathers.John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.Notice the simplicity of understanding that the word “Him” does not correlate to the MANY. There is no doubt that the Urantia Book was spiritually fed by the Caholic church but tried to explain the unexplainable i.e. “the trinity” because it is a false concept.
What I notice about you bodhitharta is that you pick and choose things from the NT to use as a foundation for your arguments while you reject the NT story of the resurrection, the pre existence of Jesus, the divinity of Jeses etc. So I don't feel you debate in good faith.Colter
I did not reject the “story” at all. I believe those who wrote about the resurrection wrote it in good faith the Quran does't reject the story it clearly says there was the plot to kill Christ and the thought the plot was fulfilled but the Quran says God saved Jesus from their plot. Once you receive that information and go over the story and plot again you start seeing the utter confusion that was going on around the episode and can then see how it was possible for Jesus not to be crucified.Pontious Pilate saidhe would set him free and wash his hands of the whole thing, his wife urged him to let Jesus go and Herod also thought Jesus should be set free, no if you understand anything about the romans they were not subject to the Jews nor did they honor them to the extent of not carrying out their own will.It was very common in rome for a man to honor the wish of his beloved wife hence the term “romantic”. I always debate in good faith
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,07:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,06:37) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,06:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,05:59) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,05:44) I've explained to t8 before that the Trinity of the UB is different then the Christian concept but he either didn't understand, listen, read what I said or all three. In the UB Christ Michael is a creation of Triune deity, he's not the second person of the Trinity. In the UB the Paradice creator Sons are unique personifications of deity. To see a Paradice creator Son is to see the Father. “if you have seen me you have seen the Father”
But I agree, much of the gospel writings are from Paul's personal Pagan influences ; the virgin birth, atonement etc.
Colter
I agree that T8 is correct on the Urantia Book showing its origination to not be sourced from God because of absorbing the errors of its day. For instance even the term “creator personifications of deity” how many creaor sons are there? f there aresveral how does that correspond with the term trinity? It appears the term trinity was used as a buzzword forthe generally accepted Idea of “trinity” when the book was written.The trinity was very popular at the time Muhammad received the Quran an it outright rejects any term or reality such as a trinity even though that was the unpopular stance and that's because there is no trinity period.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #73)
Maybe you should read and comprehend the UB teachings on the Trinity so that you know what it is that you disagree with instead of making a fool of yourself by talking from ignorance.Colter
Have you noticed I actually show the UB position and any errors within it?like this:
“The prophets have all taught you that Yahweh cares for his people, that God loves Israel. But I have come among you to proclaim a greater truth, one which many of the later prophets also grasped, that God loves you–every one of you–as individuals. All these generations have you had a national or racial religion; now have I come to give you a personal religion.” Jesus, (1629.5) 145:2.4
That would be false because the religion of Noah was necessarily the religion of all men before Judaism was a more national religion. Jesus did not say the above Quote because he would have known the facts lacking here.
Noah flood story was a creation of the Hebrews in Babylon. The whole world isn't Jewish and all living things weren't on some stupid boat floating around for a year.Colter
The story need not mean covered the entire earth but more the meaning of covered the populated earth. Man hasn't always lived everywhere as they do today.(875.2) 78:7.5 But Noah really lived; he was a wine maker of Aram, a river settlement near Erech. He kept a written record of the days of the river’s rise from year to year. He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,15:20) (875.2) 78:7.5 But Noah really lived; he was a wine maker of Aram, a river settlement near Erech. He kept a written record of the days of the river’s rise from year to year. He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.
And the people of noah,– when they rejected the messengers, We drowned them, and We made them as a Sign for mankind; and We have prepared for (all) wrong-doers a grievous Penalty;-( سورة الفرقان , Al-Furqan, Chapter #25, Verse #37)
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,08:44) I've explained to t8 before that the Trinity of the UB is different then the Christian concept but he either didn't understand, listen, read what I said or all three.
All trinities are different Colter, otherwise there would be one version of the Trinity.But like the false place name on a map, when it is illegally used to create another map, it still shows the hallmarks of the original.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2013,03:07) Interesting! Yet your faith rest in three, the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost, Right?
You do believe that the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost are ONE don't you?
You do believe in the three as the means by which you are saved don't you?
So in reality you believe in a Trinity also, just a different version of it, hey?
WJ
You've been posting here for how many years, and you make a post like this. Just shows you that nothing is retained in your understanding and always arguing the same old stuff at base one.I will give you a clue.
1 Timothy 5:21
“I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels”.Now let's look at your question and relate it to the above.
Yet your faith rest in three, the Father, Son and the Elect Angels, Right?
Now for the truth. I believe that there is a Father, Son, and Elect Angels. Do I believe they are one being? No.
Now apply this wisdom to your question and please do not ask this again.
@ bodhitharta
Islam is not clean either.
Satan covers all bases. It may reject the Trinity, but in doing so, it rejects that Jesus is the son of God showing itself to be of the antichrist spirit.
Life is not about choosing or subscribing to a religion, but seeking the truth and finding it. This seeking should be ongoing as we are transformed by the renewing of our minds.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
