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Hiu,
Universalism is not of the gospel of Jesus and that is why his teachings are spurned.
It is a hopeful humanistic philosophy.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2008,07:26) Hi CO,
You should not cast aside the teachings of Jesus because they were spoken first to Israel.
You should abide in them.
The written teaching words of Paul do not belong to the ignorant masses, his preaching does.
Hi Nick.
Show me the scripture that says…”Jesus' teaching is for the gentiles as well”. Just one scripture will do.Blessings.
Hi CO,
Did you not know Jesus's gospel is eternal?
You may refuse to listen but do not block the doorway.Revelation 14:6
And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people;Hi CO,
Since John many are responding to the preaching of the kingdom.16The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Sheep enter through the door of Jesus.
Jn107Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Trying to enter by other means is discouraged.
Jn 10
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Imagining that none need to enter the kingdom is presumptuous folly
Hi,
The kingdom of God is open to Jews and gentiles through the same gospel.
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 8:12
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 20:25
And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
Acts 28:31
Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.But you should not confuse the PREACHING of the kingdom to all with the TEACHING of the apostles to those who have obeyed and are SAINTS.
They can lose that inheritance and must walk in the ways of God.
Galatians 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.1 Thessalonians 2:12
That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.But teaching and preaching are separate roles for Jesus and the apostles.
The roles should not be confused.Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.Acts 15:35
Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.Matthew 11:1
And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.Acts 5:42
And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.Acts 28:31
Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.Colossians 1:28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:1 Timothy 2:7
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.2 Timothy 1:11
Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.Hi,
So universalism's claims that Jesus was sent to Israel only are incorrect as the gospel is eternal.Their confusion arises because they think preaching the gospel by Jesus is only for the Jews
and they falsely appropriate the teachings of the apostles to the SAINTS, instead to all men.Rather they should learn that entry to the kingdom is the same for all, as that kingdom is open to all
and it starts with REPENTANCE FOR ALL[Acts 17, Lk13]Nick…..> i believe that god will save (All) His creation, I don't see where Universalim is Just for Israel only, that you trying to discredit the thought of God saving all His careation, I realize you would hate for that to happen, but thank God He is not listening to people who have this your knid of Gosple you preach. The God i know is not willing that any parish and is able to change the hearts and minds of People, rather you, like it or not. Your targeting organization is not what people here are talking about, that you looking for something to change the subject matter, it's what you do to discredit Scriptures and what others are saying and try to position yourself as some kind of authority on the subject, but you only produce parts and donit answer what posted by others.
imo……gene
Nick…..> i believe that god will save (All) His creation, I don't see where Universalim is Just for Israel only, that you trying to discredit the thought of God saving all His careation, I realize you would hate for that to happen, but thank God He is not listening to people who have this your knid of Gosple you preach. The God i know is not willing that any parish and is able to change the hearts and minds of People, rather you, like it or not.
Your targeting organization is not what people here are talking about, that you looking for something to change the subject matter, it's what you do to discredit Scriptures and what others are saying and try to position yourself as some kind of authority on the subject, but you only produce parts and don't answer what posted by others.
imo……gene
Nick.
An awful lot of scripture, trying to avoid the question? Thats why I said “just one scripture will do”. Strill waiting for you to show a scripture that says, ” Jesus' teaching is for the gentiles as well”. There are plenty of scripture that say “Jesus for the circumcision”,or “house of Israel”, also naming Paul “for the nations', or the “uncircumcision”.
Just keep it simple, just the scripture that says “Jesus for the nations”.
Surley you must show what you believe by scripture.Blessings
PS. I'm sure your answer will be the usual “non answer”.
Hi ,
The gospel of Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God is anathema to universalism.
Who needs a gospel when it is all fixed up behind the scenes?
In your dreams.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2008,12:57) Hi ,
The gospel of Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God is anathema to universalism.
Who needs a gospel when it is all fixed up behind the scenes?
In your dreams.
Nick…..”O” really where does it say Jesus is anathema to universalism. I thought Jesus said He came not to condem the World but that the world through him might have life. But you Gospel is one of destroying most of all Gods Creation who ever lived, Thank God your will, will (NOT) be Done.“for God concluded (ALL) under sin that He might Have mercy on (ALL)”, not Just a picky few . How do you in your gospel get around that statemen, And i can give you many more such scriptures. But Just answer this one if you can.
Nick…..again you putting words in my mouth, when did i ever say all are in the Kingdom of God Now. Please show me where i Said that if you can, or i am going to assume you are back to lying again.
gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2008,14:11) Hi GB,
That mercy offer still stands.
Who will respond?
Those who God causes to will respond, Jesus said (NO) man (CAN) come unto me , Unless the Father (DRAG) Him. But you seam to believe you on your own have the ability to respond by your suposed (FREE WILL) Choice. With out the Father doing anything, a typical Christian atitude. Self salvation Good luck, you will need it. I happen to believe we are (CREATED UNTO GOOD WORKS) AS scripture says.gene
Nick……every thing in it's order and it's time, but again you said something i supposedly said and you fail to prove it said it again. Quit diverting the issue, if you say someone says something you need to prove it, All lairs will have there part in the lake of fire. You consistently do this with all of us at times. You only cause confusion when you do that Nick.
gene
Hi GB,
Enough judgement and condemnation for the moment.
Are men required to enter the kingdom?
If so how?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2008,14:01) Hi GB,
So all are in the kingdom of God and His Christ now?
No need for a door?
I still want to know where i said what you are saying I said. And if you can't produce the evidence to what you claim the my Judgment is your are lying again. Lets deal with this before we go of into something else, and I hope T8, is watching this time. You need to have some council about your misrepresentations of what people say. Nick when you do that you cause lots of confusion on the posts being discussed. It's quite frustrating to all of us. If you are saying someone said something or implied something then back it up please, that's all I ask. Is that asking to much of you?gene
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