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Just to add..Jesus basic message was…”I am he, Repent, GOD's Kingdom is at hand”…he later extended his invitation to all in John Chapter 10..therefore we read:
Revelation 22:17… 17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
Quote (chosenone @ June 28 2008,18:17) Hi dk, Not sure of what verses in John 10 you are refering to that say Jesus' teaching is to the gentiles (nations)? Blessings.
Hi dk.
Same question…what verse in John 10?Quote (dirtyknections @ June 30 2008,11:20) Quote (chosenone @ June 30 2008,11:09) Hi Gene.
I can feel your frustration with Nick. His last post to you about Luke 11:49, he still doesn't know that this message was to the “Jews”. He doesn't believe what Jesus says…Matt.15:24 “I was not commissioned except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. How can one argue with someone who won't accept the words of Jesus? If “His” word means nothing to him, why bother to communicate?
I have asked him many times to prove his theory that Jesus' message was also for the gentiles (nations), and he cannot!Blessings.
But it did later become for the gentiles..
dk.
Yes, through the teachings of Paul, not Jesus.Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ June 30 2008,11:45) Quote (dirtyknections @ June 30 2008,11:20) Quote (chosenone @ June 30 2008,11:09) Hi Gene.
I can feel your frustration with Nick. His last post to you about Luke 11:49, he still doesn't know that this message was to the “Jews”. He doesn't believe what Jesus says…Matt.15:24 “I was not commissioned except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. How can one argue with someone who won't accept the words of Jesus? If “His” word means nothing to him, why bother to communicate?
I have asked him many times to prove his theory that Jesus' message was also for the gentiles (nations), and he cannot!Blessings.
But it did later become for the gentiles..
dk.
Yes, through the teachings of Paul, not Jesus.Blessings.
True but Paul recieved his “good news” from ChristQuote (dirtyknections @ July 01 2008,11:42) Quote (chosenone @ June 30 2008,11:45) Quote (dirtyknections @ June 30 2008,11:20) Quote (chosenone @ June 30 2008,11:09) Hi Gene.
I can feel your frustration with Nick. His last post to you about Luke 11:49, he still doesn't know that this message was to the “Jews”. He doesn't believe what Jesus says…Matt.15:24 “I was not commissioned except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. How can one argue with someone who won't accept the words of Jesus? If “His” word means nothing to him, why bother to communicate?
I have asked him many times to prove his theory that Jesus' message was also for the gentiles (nations), and he cannot!Blessings.
But it did later become for the gentiles..
dk.
Yes, through the teachings of Paul, not Jesus.Blessings.
True but Paul recieved his “good news” from Christ
DKTrue!
Somehow CO thinks that because Yeshua was sent to the House of Israel that his message was not for the whole world.
Yet Yeshua told his disciples to go into all the world teaching all men all the things he had said to them.
The Gospel that Yeshua preached first to the Jew, the Apostles carried to the world.
This is why it is called the Gospel of Christ.
Not trueWJ. Matt.15:24 “I was not commissioned EXCEPT to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. Jesus words, do we not believe them?
His deciples did not go to the world, this commission is yet to be fulfilled. See Heb.8:10-12, was also prophesied in the O.T. Jer.31:31.
The gospel of Christ was commissioned to Paul to teach the nations. It is not the same as Jesus preached to Israel. See Col.1:25 …which is granted to me (Paul) to you, to COMPLETE the word of God- the SECRET which has been concealed from the eons.
Blessings.
Hi CO,
So the Gospel that Jesus brought was passed on to Paul?
He preached Christ crucified, the secret plan of God, to save men.Quote (chosenone @ July 01 2008,14:21) Not trueWJ. Matt.15:24 “I was not commissioned EXCEPT to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. Jesus words, do we not believe them? His deciples did not go to the world, this commission is yet to be fulfilled. See Heb.8:10-12, was also prophesied in the O.T. Jer.31:31.
The gospel of Christ was commissioned to Paul to teach the nations. It is not the same as Jesus preached to Israel. See Col.1:25 …which is granted to me (Paul) to you, to COMPLETE the word of God- the SECRET which has been concealed from the eons.
Blessings.
The message is this same…in function1 Cor 2:2-6…By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve.
nthians 15:3….Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2008,14:35) Hi CO,
So the Gospel that Jesus brought was passed on to Paul?
He preached Christ crucified, the secret plan of God, to save men.
Nick.
Read the scriptures, your own understanding does not count! (or I should say…Misunderstanding)Blessings
Quote (chosenone @ July 01 2008,14:21) His deciples did not go to the world, this commission is yet to be fulfilled. See Heb.8:10-12, was also prophesied in the O.T. Jer.31:31.
Hi brother jerry,
Can you elaborate this portion further?Hi GM,
Jn17
“18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. “??Quote (gollamudi @ July 02 2008,04:08) Quote (chosenone @ July 01 2008,14:21) His deciples did not go to the world, this commission is yet to be fulfilled. See Heb.8:10-12, was also prophesied in the O.T. Jer.31:31.
Hi brother jerry,
Can you elaborate this portion further?
Hi Adam.
Sorry for the delay in answering. This refers to Matt.28:19, it is called “the great commision” by orthodox christianity, thought to be for christians to preach the gospel to the world. This is incorrect. Jesus was commisioned to the Jews only (Matt.15:24), had they accepted Him as their Messiah, they would have entered the kingdom with Christ as King. This didn't happen, they rejected Him and crucified Him.
But this commission will come to pass again when Christ returns, and a new covenant will be made with them (see Hebrews 8:8-12 prophesied in the OT Jer.31:31.) They will reign for the thousand years with Christ as King. See Exodus 19:3-6 .
I will copy and paste this explanation that I found very helpful in my understanding:18 This account is principally concerned with the rejection of the kingdom. How fitting that it should close with a preview of its establishment in the coming eon! The place is significant. Satan took Him to a high mountain to show Him the kingdoms of the earth. The transformation was on a mountain. The place speaks of His exaltation. This will not be realized until He comes in glory. He has not yet taken His great power (Un.11:17). The apostles never went out to all nations. On the contrary, Peter was opposed when he went to the proselyte Cornelius (Ac.11:3). They never baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit. They used the titles of Christ intelligently when they baptized. They used “Jesus Christ” in baptizing Israelites, “Lord Jesus” for Samaritans (Ac.8:16). They never used “Christ Jesus,” the title of His present heavenly glory. They never used the formula here given because they knew that it was reserved for the future kingdom proclamation. They never discipled the nations, as such. The Lord was not with them till the conclusion of that eon, but left them soon after, when He ascended. This commission cannot be carried out until His return in power and glory to bless all nations through His people Israel.
This is my understanding Adam, and as a fallible human I am not imune to error, so keep in mind this is my understanding, and there could be some error.God Bless, Jerry.
Hi brother Jerry,
Thanks for that thought provoking explanation on so called 'great commission'. I never thought that so much inference is there in Matt 28:19. But the gospel preached to gentiles like us has come through Paul (not a disciple) of Jesus that's what you mean? I can agree that Jesus' first coming was for the nation of Israel as Messiah which they rejectected him and crucified according to God's preplan. Now again he is going to come second time for same Israel for establishing their kingdom and raise up the throne of David and sit as the King of Israel and rule the whole world which was promised to their forefathers.My question is about the baptismal formula of three titles whether it will be literally fulfilled during the endtime when Jesus comes back again?
I know all Israel will come to the knowledge of God as promised in Jeremiah and Ezekiel that He will perform a New covenant with them which will last forever that He will write His commandments on their hearts. They will be His people He will be their God.
Now I can get some glimpses of what you and Gene believe.
Blessings to you
AdamIn Romans it does states that Jesus will draft the Jewish Peple back in, and finally will do what He intended in the first place. I have wondered about what it says about keeping the Feast of Tabernacle again in the Millenium. Do we then keep all the Feasts that are listed in Leviticus? Anybody have an input here?
Peace and Love IreneIrene……the Saints and Jesus will be ruling a Carnal world with Carnal laws , remember those people are not converted , only the Saints and Jesus are, all of God laws will be enforced including the Feast of Tabernacles it plainly says that. The temple will be rebuilt also.
Here,s something interesting..> you remember the four living creatures around the throne of God, they Have four different faces One the face of a lion,one of a man,one of a eagle,one of a ox,
When the childern of Israel were in the wilderness they camped around the tabernacle a certian way, they were in four quadrants , with the twelve devided up into Four groups and the Four groups had three in each group, and the head of the each of the four groups were, the tribe of Ephriam (the ox) was their standard , the tribe of Judah (lion) was their standard, the tribe of Dan (the eagle) was their standard, the tribe of Ruben (man ) was their standard ,
they Positioned the standards at the four corners of the tabernacle east, west, north,south
and the moved in that order, whats also interesting is that the four creatures had three sets of wings, in orther words there were three sets , Ephriam, Manasha, Binjeman were on set with Ephriam as the head and I can't remember the tribes with Judah or Ruben and Dan right now. But the point is its interesting how the tabernacle in the wilderness had the same standards with the same faces as the throne of God in revelations.Here some more you read about that , Eze 1:5,6,13,14,15,19 and Eze 3:
interesting stuff………………gene
Quote (chosenone @ July 02 2008,17:48) Quote (gollamudi @ July 02 2008,04:08) Quote (chosenone @ July 01 2008,14:21) His deciples did not go to the world, this commission is yet to be fulfilled. See Heb.8:10-12, was also prophesied in the O.T. Jer.31:31.
Hi brother jerry,
Can you elaborate this portion further?
Hi Adam.
Sorry for the delay in answering. This refers to Matt.28:19, it is called “the great commision” by orthodox christianity, thought to be for christians to preach the gospel to the world. This is incorrect. Jesus was commisioned to the Jews only (Matt.15:24), had they accepted Him as their Messiah, they would have entered the kingdom with Christ as King. This didn't happen, they rejected Him and crucified Him.
But this commission will come to pass again when Christ returns, and a new covenant will be made with them (see Hebrews 8:8-12 prophesied in the OT Jer.31:31.) They will reign for the thousand years with Christ as King. See Exodus 19:3-6 .
I will copy and paste this explanation that I found very helpful in my understanding:18 This account is principally concerned with the rejection of the kingdom. How fitting that it should close with a preview of its establishment in the coming eon! The place is significant. Satan took Him to a high mountain to show Him the kingdoms of the earth. The transformation was on a mountain. The place speaks of His exaltation. This will not be realized until He comes in glory. He has not yet taken His great power (Un.11:17). The apostles never went out to all nations. On the contrary, Peter was opposed when he went to the proselyte Cornelius (Ac.11:3). They never baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit. They used the titles of Christ intelligently when they baptized. They used “Jesus Christ” in baptizing Israelites, “Lord Jesus” for Samaritans (Ac.8:16). They never used “Christ Jesus,” the title of His present heavenly glory. They never used the formula here given because they knew that it was reserved for the future kingdom proclamation. They never discipled the nations, as such. The Lord was not with them till the conclusion of that eon, but left them soon after, when He ascended. This commission cannot be carried out until His return in power and glory to bless all nations through His people Israel.
This is my understanding Adam, and as a fallible human I am not imune to error, so keep in mind this is my understanding, and there could be some error.God Bless, Jerry.
I Disagree with almost everything in this post…Matthew 28:19,20 corresponds to Jesus prophecy at Matt 24:14…The house of Israel was forever rejected by GOD as his “chosen people”….See John 10… The body of Christ which is explained perfectly in Ephesians 4 and 5 shows the purpose of Christians today and what we are here to do for each other…
Jesus invitation in Rev 21 “for anyone who is thirsty to COME”…is a direct invitation to ALL who are willing to respond to the prophesy and commision at Matt 24 and 28…
The “apostate Nation” of Israel..has forever been rejected..only INDIVIDUALS …like you and I are CHosen to be part of this new covenant..As Paul said, “either Jew or Gentile” is does not matter to GOD…
Israel had their Chance…but as you see by their actions today…they still reject Christ and await the messiah…
Paul described people like Israel in 1 John and 2 John..he called them anti-christs…What is an Anti-christ? Paul said that they were people who, “denied Christ as coming in the Flesh”…he also mentioned their fate….
So in a nutshell..Israel beware…unless you, “confess Christ with your mouth and believe in your hearts”…you reject GOD's King and a reserved for judgment
Blessings
Just to add…The prophesy and commission at Matt 24 and 28 corresponds to Jesus prophecy about the “Days of the son of man”..I will explain later
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 03 2008,02:21) Irene……the Saints and Jesus will be ruling a Carnal world with Carnal laws , remember those people are not converted , only the Saints and Jesus are, all of God laws will be enforced including the Feast of Tabernacles it plainly says that. The temple will be rebuilt also. Here,s something interesting..> you remember the four living creatures around the throne of God, they Have four different faces One the face of a lion,one of a man,one of a eagle,one of a ox,
When the childern of Israel were in the wilderness they camped around the tabernacle a certian way, they were in four quadrants , with the twelve devided up into Four groups and the Four groups had three in each group, and the head of the each of the four groups were, the tribe of Ephriam (the ox) was their standard , the tribe of Judah (lion) was their standard, the tribe of Dan (the eagle) was their standard, the tribe of Ruben (man ) was their standard ,
they Positioned the standards at the four corners of the tabernacle east, west, north,south
and the moved in that order, whats also interesting is that the four creatures had three sets of wings, in orther words there were three sets , Ephriam, Manasha, Binjeman were on set with Ephriam as the head and I can't remember the tribes with Judah or Ruben and Dan right now. But the point is its interesting how the tabernacle in the wilderness had the same standards with the same faces as the throne of God in revelations.Here some more you read about that , Eze 1:5,6,13,14,15,19 and Eze 3:
interesting stuff………………gene
That's wonderful post my brother Gene,
In fact the Tabernacle or the Temple and its things every thing is the copy of what is available in heaven. Your way of narration was quite nice.
Thanks for that.
AdamQuote (Gene Balthrop @ July 03 2008,02:21) Irene……the Saints and Jesus will be ruling a Carnal world with Carnal laws , remember those people are not converted , only the Saints and Jesus are, all of God laws will be enforced including the Feast of Tabernacles it plainly says that. The temple will be rebuilt also. Here,s something interesting..> you remember the four living creatures around the throne of God, they Have four different faces One the face of a lion,one of a man,one of a eagle,one of a ox,
When the childern of Israel were in the wilderness they camped around the tabernacle a certian way, they were in four quadrants , with the twelve devided up into Four groups and the Four groups had three in each group, and the head of the each of the four groups were, the tribe of Ephriam (the ox) was their standard , the tribe of Judah (lion) was their standard, the tribe of Dan (the eagle) was their standard, the tribe of Ruben (man ) was their standard ,
they Positioned the standards at the four corners of the tabernacle east, west, north,south
and the moved in that order, whats also interesting is that the four creatures had three sets of wings, in orther words there were three sets , Ephriam, Manasha, Binjeman were on set with Ephriam as the head and I can't remember the tribes with Judah or Ruben and Dan right now. But the point is its interesting how the tabernacle in the wilderness had the same standards with the same faces as the throne of God in revelations.Here some more you read about that , Eze 1:5,6,13,14,15,19 and Eze 3:
interesting stuff………………gene
Good stuff GB.
Thanks
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