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Quote (chosenone @ June 27 2008,12:01) Nick.
Where have you taken your dancing lessons? You continually dance around the “question” without being able to find a scripture that says “Jesus' teachings were also for the gentiles (nations). Only the “gospel of Nick” is where it appears, nowhere in scripture will you find this answer. I'm amazed that you keep teaching this false doctrine, scripturally nonexistant, yet you call the salvation of all mankind “heresy”, which is scripturally sound.
Please, PLEASE, answer the question or lose your already low credability!Blessings.
John the 10th chapterSorry..CO..I mistook what you are trying to say…WHo said that Jesus message is ONLY for the Gentiles? NIck…I know you don't believe this..do you?
Christ came originally for the Israel but they rejected him, as they still do today, so in John chapter 10 we see him opening up the way to nations
Hi dk, Not sure of what verses in John 10 you are refering to that say Jesus' teaching is to the gentiles (nations)?
Blessings.
Hi CO,
You said in another thread” I, personally, have had a change in my beliefs, in my walk with God in my life, (I'm 73 years old). I know that it was God working in me, and not by me, that formed my beliefs. “
But you espouse and promote universalism which is clearly unscriptural and not of God. Does God lead anyone into falsehood? Never. Not if they feed on the bread of life?
How can you reconcile this oddity?
Nick…..Maybe CO, Has found the truth and you are still in darkness, did you ever think about that. You say universalism is so (clearly) found unscriptural prove it then. Quite with your snide remarks, And you ask does God lead anyone into Falsehood, that a good question, did the God you serve lead you into falsehood. He certainly seams to lead you into accusing others of things, like saying they are not feed on the bread of life.
So lets ask you How can you reconcile this oddity.
Interesting how you feel you are so equipped to judge others view points.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2008,07:42) Hi CO,
You said in another thread” I, personally, have had a change in my beliefs, in my walk with God in my life, (I'm 73 years old). I know that it was God working in me, and not by me, that formed my beliefs. “
But you espouse and promote universalism which is clearly unscriptural and not of God. Does God lead anyone into falsehood? Never. Not if they feed on the bread of life?
How can you reconcile this oddity?
Nick.
You say…”But you promote universalism which is clearly unscriptural…” I have quoted many scriptures clearly describing “the salvation of all”. You obviously take no note of them, so I won't go to the trouble of repeating them, you can look at past posts if you would like to see them.
You aslo say…”does God lead anyone into falsehood? “Never”. Again your knowledge of scripture is sorely lacking. Here are just a few:Ro.9:18…to whom He will He is merciful, yet whom He will, He is hardening.
Ro.9:20-22…20 O man! who are you, to be sure, who are answering again to God? That which is molded will not protest to the molder, “Why do you make me thus?”
21 Or has not the potter the right over the clay, out of the same kneading to make one vessel, indeed, for honor, yet one for dishonor?Ro.9:32-33…32 Wherefore? Seeing that it is not out of faith, but as out of law works, they stumble on the stumbling stone,
33 according as it is written: Lo! I am laying in Zion a Stumbling Stone and a Snare Rock, And the one believing on Him shall not be disgraced.See what He (GOD),has done to Pharaoh!
Ro.9:15-17…”I shall be merciful to whomever I may be merciful, and I shall be pitying whomever I may be pitying.”
16 Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful.
17 For the scripture is saying to Pharaoh that “For this selfsame thing I rouse you up, so that I should be displaying in you My power, and so that My name should be published in the entire earth.”Ro11:32…For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all.
I could go on, these arejust a few.
Blessings.
Blessings.
Nick….come on were waiting for your answer, that goes against those few out of many scriptures that God will do what He pleases to do and if it's His (WILL) that none parish then why make it a matter of our Wills then, or say He leaves it up to us with our weak natures to chose whats right, Please answer Co's post if you can.
Quote (chosenone @ June 29 2008,12:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2008,07:42) Hi CO,
You said in another thread” I, personally, have had a change in my beliefs, in my walk with God in my life, (I'm 73 years old). I know that it was God working in me, and not by me, that formed my beliefs. “
But you espouse and promote universalism which is clearly unscriptural and not of God. Does God lead anyone into falsehood? Never. Not if they feed on the bread of life?
How can you reconcile this oddity?
Nick.
You say…”But you promote universalism which is clearly unscriptural…” I have quoted many scriptures clearly describing “the salvation of all”. You obviously take no note of them, so I won't go to the trouble of repeating them, you can look at past posts if you would like to see them.
You aslo say…”does God lead anyone into falsehood? “Never”. Again your knowledge of scripture is sorely lacking. Here are just a few:Ro.9:18…to whom He will He is merciful, yet whom He will, He is hardening.
Ro.9:20-22…20 O man! who are you, to be sure, who are answering again to God? That which is molded will not protest to the molder, “Why do you make me thus?”
21 Or has not the potter the right over the clay, out of the same kneading to make one vessel, indeed, for honor, yet one for dishonor?Ro.9:32-33…32 Wherefore? Seeing that it is not out of faith, but as out of law works, they stumble on the stumbling stone,
33 according as it is written: Lo! I am laying in Zion a Stumbling Stone and a Snare Rock, And the one believing on Him shall not be disgraced.See what He (GOD),has done to Pharaoh!
Ro.9:15-17…”I shall be merciful to whomever I may be merciful, and I shall be pitying whomever I may be pitying.”
16 Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful.
17 For the scripture is saying to Pharaoh that “For this selfsame thing I rouse you up, so that I should be displaying in you My power, and so that My name should be published in the entire earth.”Ro11:32…For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all.
I could go on, these arejust a few.
Blessings.
Blessings.
So all this “judgement” talk means nothing…Luke 17:26 … 26″Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.
Learn what the scripture means..and you will think differently
Hi,
Universalism is based on stealing the bread of the gospel of the Kingdom of God from the mouths of the desperate and instead offering them the strong meat of the teachings of the apostles that they cannot yet stomach. They tell the lost they are found. They stand in the doorway of salvation turning men away with false hopes and empty dreams. This new gospel deserves the full respect of any other new gospel that defies the words of God in Christ. None.Nick…..another personal judgement call , but no scriptures to show you position but you have been given many scriptures that supports the idea of God saving all his creation. I am sorry if you don't applicate God the Fathers love for His creation and His power to preserve all he created through intense Judgment, why does that bother you, is it really about the pour little lambs or more about yourself. God's desire is for all to be saved and He has the power and means to do that for all, why should that bother you.
Doesn't the worst sinner in the world have as much right to salvation as you, and as Paul who went around Killing Christians. And said He was the worst sinner of all. So God can have mercy on Paul and You , but the Hell with the rest right. Tell us when did Paul by His own (free will) ever chose to believe in Jesus then. Had God not smote him and changed him he would still be killing Christians if he were alive.
The hope of all of God's creation is that by His great mercy and power He will save them all ultimately. He said the whole Creation will be delivered from corruption and that includes everyone.
I believe it more about your own self righteousness the you care for the poor sheep.
IMO….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 30 2008,04:17) Nick…..another personal judgement call , but no scriptures to show you position but you have been given many scriptures that supports the idea of God saving all his creation. I am sorry if you don't applicate God the Fathers love for His creation and His power to preserve all he created through intense Judgment, why does that bother you, is it really about the pour little lambs or more about yourself. God's desire is for all to be saved and He has the power and means to do that for all, why should that bother you. Doesn't the worst sinner in the world have as much right to salvation as you, and as Paul who went around Killing Christians. And said He was the worst sinner of all. So God can have mercy on Paul and You , but the Hell with the rest right. Tell us when did Paul by His own (free will) ever chose to believe in Jesus then. Had God not smote him and changed him he would still be killing Christians if he were alive.
The hope of all of God's creation is that by His great mercy and power He will save them all ultimately. He said the whole Creation will be delivered from corruption and that includes everyone.
I believe it more about your own self righteousness the you care for the poor sheep.
IMO….gene
Hi GBHow can there be a “worse sinner” if man has no power over what he does?
If God is in control of their wills how can there be a sinner at all?
As far as Paul, did you forget that he was “kicking against the pricks”, He was resisting the Lord, until the Lord miraculously showed himself to Paul, then Paul said “Lord what wilt thou have me to do”?
And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. Acts 9:6
Paul made a choice to follow him. The Lord didnt make him.
WJ…Paul said He was the worst sinner of all, Not me, I just repeated what Paul said and You making it appear that Paul was doing what was against His desire is wrong He wreaked Havoc among the churches of God, and He plainly said so. He hated the Christians as much as any Pharisee that ever existed, As history proves. And wouldn't you trimble in astonishment and say Lord what will you have me Do if you saw and what he did, No where does it say Paul came to His own conclusions about accepting Christ, He was forced to by the very power of God.
But you have brought a very interesting point Paul said that God Prepared Him for the Ministry from Berth. That also shows God's predestining power in Paul's life. No my friend if you investigate further you will find God was behind it all along even at Paul”s berth.
WJ….. Your a minister right, tell me why don't you want people to See God the Father as some one who can change our minds and cause us to think right and follow His way by His power to get into our thinking, and transform us into His dear children why should that offend anyone, I am so glad He does that for me and I pray He will do that for every one after all He is the true savior of His creation right. I absolute Know i would never have on my own with the carnal mind have chosen Him, had He not intervened in my life.I did not chose God on my own He chose Me. He is the one who saved me, i didn't say myself by my (own) free will. IMO.
peace to you and your………gene
WJ…….A man will do what in Him is what i said, and whats in is the accumulation of His life and that accumulation controls Him it's what's in him and that causes Him to react which produces an effect in His behavior. This is not something new psychologists have know for years if they can get to the root cause of the behavior they have a much better chance of treating it. They know that something is causing that behavior, it can be chimical inbalance or a host of other things but there is alway something causeing the effec and notheing is done without something causing it to happen. Do Carnal minds change on there own (NO) they cant Change, if fact they are Prisoners of there own minds , but thanks be to God , Christ was sent to set the prisoners free from that form of captivity, haven't you read He came and led captivity captive and gave gifts to men.. God hast to cause the change in all who are to be saved, think of the peace you have knowing full well The Father is able to straighten out all of our wrong thinking and give us new Hearts. We no longer trust in ourselves but in Him who is able to (REALLY) conform us unto the image of His dear son. This trust in the Father give indescribable peace in our hearts and minds and gives us the same Joy Jesus had and has.
Peace to you brother……………gene
Nick……a lot. i Just explained it reinforces what scripture had already said. So you can condescend it all you want but it plainly back up scripture, why do you find that hard to believe, God gave man wisdom as has been proved time and time again and Psychology has helped many people over the years, If you don't believe this go read on who gave wisdom to the Sower how to sow.
You just have to create some kind of rift, no matter what it is, I think the better question would be what do the so-called (Spiritual truths ) you poses offer anyone, that might be a far better question.
Hi GB,
So the wisdom of men is equivalent to divine wisdom?Luke 11:49
Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:Hi Gene.
I can feel your frustration with Nick. His last post to you about Luke 11:49, he still doesn't know that this message was to the “Jews”. He doesn't believe what Jesus says…Matt.15:24 “I was not commissioned except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. How can one argue with someone who won't accept the words of Jesus? If “His” word means nothing to him, why bother to communicate?
I have asked him many times to prove his theory that Jesus' message was also for the gentiles (nations), and he cannot!Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ June 30 2008,11:09) Hi Gene.
I can feel your frustration with Nick. His last post to you about Luke 11:49, he still doesn't know that this message was to the “Jews”. He doesn't believe what Jesus says…Matt.15:24 “I was not commissioned except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. How can one argue with someone who won't accept the words of Jesus? If “His” word means nothing to him, why bother to communicate?
I have asked him many times to prove his theory that Jesus' message was also for the gentiles (nations), and he cannot!Blessings.
But it did later become for the gentiles..
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