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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 24 2009,06:50) GB,
The sons of God are created unto good works but all are not sons of God and all never will be.
Nick…….so say you, have you taken the place of GOD NOW. Lets let the LORD be in Charge of that OK, and let us not be a hinderence to any . “For it is better for a mill stone to be put around your neck and be cast into the sea then to prevent one of these little ones”. We are to preach the Gospel of salvation to all , let the LORD decide the rest, lets not discourage anyone NICK OK.love and peace to you and yours…………………gene
Thanks Gene and meerkat, and all others seeking truth. I am not infalable, prone to error as anyone else, but I post my opinions here, and learn from others when the opportunity presents itself. Thanks again.
Blessings, Jerry.
Quote You say does God eventually turn People into robots who are (FORCED TO DO GOOD), so doing good is a forced situation to you right, why not use the word encouraged to do good instead, If you don't have a choice, then “encouraged” is the wrong word. “Forced” is the right word, when there is no choice. And if all will be saved and given eternal life, then either they are forced to obey God, or we will have people who are disobeying God and the world will be much like it is today.
That's why, Gene.
Quote In fact GOD could have made everything perfect if he wanted to so why didn't he , then indeed we would have been robots, but God chose to let us experience good and evil, why because thats what true life is composed of, Gene, will there be “evil” after the thousand years? What will the final result be? You say true life is composed of good and evil.
No Gene, this is not true life at all. The “real life” ahead (1 tim 6:9) is not to be compared with this life.
Do you really think there will always be evil Gene?Quote We are temples in which God must dwell for ever in order for us to continue to always do right and not to scum to the evil that will always exist also.
You have a very bleak future. Or a very bleak hope. If evil will always exist, then what will change? How will the world be different then it is today?You have not answered that question yet.
David……..Do you understand good and Evil come from the same tree . and the balance of these is what creates the understanding of life. do you think GOD just made that tree because it wasn't need are you so blind you don't even understand that, Interesting you say if God indwells you that is a bleak hope. That not bleak at all in my opinion, but those who think they are self righteous would think that it would be bleak . Because they think they are righteous and don't need God at all. Jesus certainly didn't think that way. The world would not be different , the people would be, because God indwells them. David you must get away from the WJ brain wash job, and start thinking for yourself. If you think evil will no longer exist as well as good show us then where it says that in scripture. Evil will always exist as well as good, prove different then. What will change is the people who were doing Evil, not evil itself, because of the indwelling of God's Spirit. Nothing bleak about that unless you are self righteous. IMO
love and peace to you………………..gene
Nick……….Quite playing stupid games with me , you know full well i and not talking about a real physical tree, But the word tree is symbolic for that which produces from it self, as tree does. Life is a tree and contains both Good and Evil. So stop playing stupid games OK and showing your ignorance.
love and peace………………….gene
GB,
So where did this strange idea come from?
Taoism or some other humanist philosophy?You really should honour your Master and give preference to his words
GB,
You said in another thread
“When i put it through my doctrinal filter it makes sense , “Do we have to put this through your filter as well?
Nick………Absolutely i do , and your should also , maybe you will start to Understand what is written , that is if you have GOD'S Spirit (intellect) in you. Use what God gave you Nick, He gave you a brain to think with use it. And quite trying to draw me into your ignorance Nick.
peace and love……………………gene
GB,.
So part of this filter is to always read SPIRIT as INTELLECT.
Does God approve of your adjustments to His sacred Words?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2009,07:19) Nick………Absolutely i do , and your should also , maybe you will start to Understand what is written , that is if you have GOD'S Spirit (intellect) in you. Use what God gave you Nick, He gave you a brain to think with use it. And quite trying to draw me into your ignorance Nick. peace and love……………………gene
So GB,
Is it the carnal brain you were given that interprets Scripture or the Spirit of God? Surely man has little to offer his God in this regard?Nick……you should have all ready know it's the Spirit of God influencing our minds and revealing God's truth to us that gives us the right understand of the (Spiritual) word of GOD. AS Jesus said , His word were spirit and therefore must be spiritually perceived.
You can quote every word in the bible word for word and (Not) understand any of what you quote. Why do you think probably 95% of all religion is apostate religion , they all know how to parrot scripture as you do, but what they understand and perceive is quite another matter.
peace and love…………………………..gene
GB,
I guess they all just do what you do.
They get an idea and teach it as inspired truth.
We are endeavouring to develop a more spiritual approachGENE,
Quote Gene, will there be “evil” after the thousand years? Quote Do you really think there will always be evil Gene? Quote How will the world be different then it is today? You have not answered that question yet.
No answers…. Well, no biblical answers. Just more yin, and yang philosophy and pretty words:
Quote good and Evil come from the same tree and the balance of these is what creates the understanding of life. –gene
Who said that? Buddha? Why not at least try to quote the Bible.Quote do you think GOD just made that tree because it wasn't need are you so blind you don't even understand that, –gene
I never said the tree wasn't needed. The tree showed something about Adam. (luke 16:10)Quote Because they think they are righteous and don't need God at all. Jesus certainly didn't think that way.
GENE, you have a talent for putting words in my mouth and then arguing against them. Why not quote me and then quote the Bible to show I'm wrong. You neither know what I said, nor what the Bible says.I presume this is your answer:
The world would not be different , the people would be, because God indwells them.
First, the world (“inhabitants of the earth”) is made up of people. If people are different, then the world is different, obviously.
Secondly, is God forcing people to be “different”? Have they become robots? Does not God want people to want to serve and love him? Or does he force people to? Is what you're saying is that Hitler, and all the bad people of the world, the murderers, rapists, torturers, etc….God who is “holy holy holy” (clean) is going to dwell in them, in the unclean? I'm not saying people can't change. I'm saying THEY have to want to change. Otherwise, it's just God forcing them to be robots. If God wanted robots, why did he give us free will to begin with? Why not just create robots?Quote David you must get away from the WJ brain wash job, and start thinking for yourself.
For someone who never quotes scripture, and avoids troubling questions, that's quite a thing to say. I ask questions. I answer questions with the Bible. You avoid both.Quote If you think evil will no longer exist as well as good show us then where it says that in scripture. Evil will always exist as well as good, prove different then. First, I think the Bible clearly says in many places that:
The upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.” (Pr 2:21,22)A removal of the wicked means a removal of wickedness.
In the days of Noah, the earth became “ruined” in the sight of God. Similarly, in the future, God will “bring to ruin those ruining the earth.” (Revelation 11:18)
That will also include, finally, the elimination of Satan the Devil. (Romans 16:20)
“The former things [[wickedness/evil/suffering]] will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart.” (Isaiah 65:17)
God “‘will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.’ And the One seated on the throne said: ‘Look! I am making all things new.’”—Revelation 21:4, 5.
The former things would include wickedness.
David…….you have not proved that Evil and GOOD will not still exist at all. If you understood what Wisdom is that would answer you question. Wisdom is the Balance between GOOD and EVIL INTELLECTS or SPIRITS. When the women saw the the Fruit was good in order to make one wise she ate it. God said look man has become as we are Knowing good and evil. There eyes were opened by understand the balance of good and evil, thats why they know they were naked, GOD know that would be the first thing the would become aware of was the nudity, Were they wrong (NO) because GOD himself Made them clothing right. There eyes were opened to the reality of true life. As God's is, the problem was they didn't have the total experience of it, So GOD prevented them from Acquiring eternal life (the tree of Life) until man comes to full awareness of the effects of Good and Evil on life, And them God will gives us eternal life. Then we will truly be in the (IMAGE) of GOD. Where scripture say God created (past tense) it should be CREATING them GOD is in His IMAGE, we are in a process of being created in GOD image.
It was no fluke accident we are in the condition , God Knew it was going to happen all a long, and intended it to happen. But the end will be for all our GOOD. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2009,11:04) GB,
I guess they all just do what you do.
They get an idea and teach it as inspired truth.
We are endeavouring to develop a more spiritual approach
Nick……….it does no good if you do not know what scripture means, and can't explain it, does it? Any one can quote scripture and if it were that easy everyone would know it , because nearly everyone has bibles, right, Why did Philip Have to explain it then. and why do we have to ask,seek , and knock , if it is so easy to understand by Just reading or parroting it. You and the (WE) are constantly trying to make Scripture meet your belief system and of course saying its the “truth” while other do not have the (truth) or they are Not of GOD or using the wisdom of the world and all kinds of other things you come up with, While the “WE” are endeavoring to develop a more spiritual approach, while in fact you are trying to develop your ideas of what the spiritual approach is right, But have you or the (WE) ever thought maybe you yourselves lack the (REAL) truth about some things> IMOlove and peace to you and the “WE”………………gene
GB,
We in Christ have been given the ministry of conciliation or reconciliation[2Cor5, Rom5]
If universalism was true such ministry would not be necessary.Nick said:
Quote We in Christ have been given the ministry of conciliation or reconciliation[2Cor5, Rom5]
If universalism was true such ministry would not be necessary.Excellent point Nick! No degree in rocket science is needed to know this.
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Nick……….i fail to see the logic in that statement. The whole world need to be conciliated by GOD to Himself. It is a universal conciliatory work. God is the Savior of all His creation, and does it in his own way and time. IMO
peace………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 27 2009,05:43) Nick……….i fail to see the logic in that statement. The whole world need to be conciliated by GOD to Himself. It is a universal conciliatory work. God is the Savior of all His creation, and does it in his own way and time. IMO peace………………….gene
Gene,
Maybe you fail to see Nick's point because you did not read Paul's statement in its context. He said that God had committed to him and his band the “ministry of reconciliation”. Therefore, they said, “Be ye reconciled to God”.Now come on Gene. Why would Paul command, “Be ye reconciled to God” if He believed in the universal reconciliation of all men to God?
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