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to all > what do you do with the text that say's if thy eye offend (pervent) you cast it from you for its better you enter into life with one eye than to have two and be cast into the fire where the worm doesn't die and the time of their torment never ends. i believe the worm is our own stubern will's and if we are not willing to put them to death we will contiune into eternal torment.i think thats what this means.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2007,03:45) to all > what do you do with the text that say's if thy eye offend (pervent) you cast it from you for its better you enter into life with one eye than to have two and be cast into the fire where the worm doesn't die and the time of their torment never ends. i believe the worm is our own stubern will's and if we are not willing to put them to death we will contiune into eternal torment.i think thats what this means.
Hi Gene:My understanding is that we who are born again Christians are members of the body of Christ. If one of the members of our body causes us to sin, we are to pluck it out as if the eye or cut it off as if one of our hands.
18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
18:7
Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh !
18:8
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee *: it is better for thee to enter into * life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
18:9
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.If one of the members of the body offends us Jesus tells us this the procedure to follow:
18:15
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18:17
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but * * if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.If this member of our body does not repent, then we are not to have any fellowship with that member until he repents.
Also, the following scriptures may also apply to this:
1 Co 5:9
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
5:10
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
5:12
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
5:13
But them that are without God judgeth . Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.God Bless
Hi 94,
Go does not want men focussed on evil or judgement but rather on goodness and mercy and love.
We show the world the love of God and if possible leave the purification to God.
When given authority and working with the Body
serious matters are to be addressed
that is a different matter.
Minister understanding
Infused with patience.
Remember we have been forgiven more.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2007,07:59) Hi 94,
Go does not want men focussed on evil or judgement but rather on goodness and mercy and love.
We show the world the love of God and if possible leave the purification to God.
When given authority and working with the Body
serious matters are to be addressed
that is a different matter.
Minister understanding
Infused with patience.
Remember we have been forgiven more.
Hi Nick:Mercy triumphs over judgment, but unrepentent sin in the body of Christ needs to be confronted because we do not want that person to end up in the lake of fire.
But I have quoted scripture, and so if you don't agree with the scripture that I quoted or if you don't believe that this is what the scripture indicates then give your understanding of the scripture.
God Bless
Hi 94,
You say
“My understanding is that we who are born again Christians are members of the body of Christ. If one of the members of our body causes us to sin, we are to pluck it out as if the eye or cut it off as if one of our hands.18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
18:7
Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh !
18:8
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee *: it is better for thee to enter into * life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
18:9
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. “We are not the Christ but part of HIS BODY. Any sorting out of the parts of HIS BODY is over to him. These verses relate to OUR body and thus not the body of Christ.
Then
'18:15
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18:17
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but * * if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.”These are our responses to personal offenses, not what we judge to be the sins of others. They do not relate here.
Then
“1 Co 5:9
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
5:10
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
5:12
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
5:13
But them that are without God judgeth . Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. “These relate to those OF THE WORLD.
You have told us your son is of Christ so again it does not relate here.Have you witnessed adultery or are you making assumptions?
Do you wish to win your brother?
Then show the love of God.
God understands.Did Adam and Eve marry?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2007,08:42) Hi 94,
You say
“My understanding is that we who are born again Christians are members of the body of Christ. If one of the members of our body causes us to sin, we are to pluck it out as if the eye or cut it off as if one of our hands.18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
18:7
Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh !
18:8
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee *: it is better for thee to enter into * life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
18:9
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. “We are not the Christ but part of HIS BODY. Any sorting out of the parts of HIS BODY is over to him. These verses relate to OUR body and thus not the body of Christ.
Then
'18:15
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18:17
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but * * if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.”These are our responses to personal offenses, not what we judge to be the sins of others. They do not relate here.
Then
“1 Co 5:9
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
5:10
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
5:12
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
5:13
But them that are without God judgeth . Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. “These relate to those OF THE WORLD.
You have told us your son is of Christ so again it does not relate here.Have you witnessed adultery or are you making assumptions?
Do you wish to win your brother?
Then show the love of God.
God understands.Did Adam and Eve marry?
Hi Nick:You are taking this subject into the area of my personal testimony, and I do not believe that this the appropriate place to bring my son into this, but I'll just tell you once and for all that I have done what I have done in response to what God has shown me and that is the end of the subject. If you want to pray for me and my family, then I would welcome that, but my family is my responsibility. My son is a grown individual and can live his life any way that he wants. I did not follow him or try to catch him in the act if that is what you mean. I simply asked God in prayer if he was living with his girlfriend in sin for him to reveal it to me because I did not want to be a partaker of his sin by helping him if that was a fact. God revealed this to me in that his girl friends car was parked in the yard at 7AM when I went to get the tags off of the car.
So again, I have done what God has directed me to do in this case. If you think that I am wrong, then pray and ask God to reveal this to me.
God Bless
Hi,
The subject at hand is the possibility God will save all.
It is not written so cannot be stated as fact.
It goes against the biblical theme of faith.
It is unlikely IMHO.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2007,09:33) Hi,
The subject at hand is the possibility God will save all.
It is not written so cannot be stated as fact.
It goes against the biblical theme of faith.
It is unlikely IMHO.
Hi Nick:I'll keep you informed as things progress. Pray for me and my family.
God Bless
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 17 2007,22:28) Hi CO,
Paul did not write to the unsaved nations but to the saved.
The addresses are at the start, where you would expect.
Hi Nick.
…because of the grace being given to me from God, for me to be the minister of Christ Jesus for the nations, acting as a priest of the evangel of God,…(Ro.15:15-16.)
This says nothing of being only for the saved. Please give us the scripture that says “Paul did not write to the unsaved nations, but the saved.”
The address in the begining of each epistle, is to whom the epistle is to be sent, but for all to read. The same as when Jesus said ,”I was not comissioned, except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel”, Doesn't mean that it is not for others to read. All scripture is FOR us, but not all scripture is ABOUT us.Blessings.
Hi CO,
The letters were written to the saints. The saints were also drawn from the gentile nations but most remained in ignorance and darkness and his words to them were as gibberish as they must be spiritually discerned.
Acts 17
“18Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.19And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
20For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
21(For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)”
Acts 26
“24And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad. “Hi Nick.
Is not ALL scripture for ALL? Is there somewhere in scripture that says certain ones are not to read the bible (scriptures)? Scripture is the word of God, meant for all, it is about Gods work with first, the nation of Isreal, then with the Gentile nations as well. So although all scripture is FOR us (all), not all scripture is ABOUT us). This is made quite clear, although not all understand this.Blessings.
Hi CO,
All can read it but the food is only understandable to those reborn from above.
1Cor 2
” 5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
Hi CO,
And of what value is reading the blessings written by Paul to the saved?
They cannot stomach such rich food.Hi CO,
Do not teach against the way of Christ.
God is sovereign and may save through many ways but we preach the way of Christ.
Servants obey.I wouldn't in the least bit consider being damned forever “winning,” even if Satan got “90%” of all creation. He will still lose in the end, because that's what being damned is.:;):
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,10:04) Hi CO,
Do not teach against the way of Christ.
God is sovereign and may save through many ways but we preach the way of Christ.
Servants obey.
Hi Nick.
Who is teaching the way against Christ? If any posting of mine that you claim I have, please send me the posting.Blessings.
Nick.
Your untruthfull accusations are tiresome. I said, and repeat again… “ALL scripture is FOR us, but not all scripture is ABOUT us.” You keep going around in circles, quoting things I have not said. If you can't show me where I have said these things on past postings, then quit your false accusations. Lies are not becoming to someone claiming to be a christian.Blessings.
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