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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2009,09:54) GB,
There are some who qualify that way in the eyes of God.
But we do not arrogantly expand the scriptural view of the salvation of men to include all.
Besides here is the little problem of the unforgiveable sin.
Nick, What about scripture that says God is the saviour of all, and especially of believers (not only)No Irene,
God ignores the sin of many-love covers many sins.Rather it is a sin that God has decided He will not forgive.
To ALL……….A unforgivable sin is a sin that cannot be forgiven, So you must Change you thinking. It involves the blasphemy (speaking out against the (TRUTH) It requires a change in the one who is doing it. The Spirit of Truth (is the awareness of truth), when a person knows he or she is speaking against what is true (that means have the Spirit of truth in them) there remains no forgiveness, they must change or else, no overlooking this sin, because the person is fully aware of what he or she is doing. It does not mean a person is eternally condemned it simply means there is no letting it go it must be dealt with and corrected, no just forgiven as most sines are. O and Nick it is not a sin that GOD has (DECIDED) He will not forgive, He can't forgive it because it is against what is true, and the person knows it.
love and peace to you all……………………gene
GB,
You say
“The Spirit of Truth (is the awareness of truth) IS IT?, when a person knows he or she is speaking against what is true (that means have the Spirit of truth in them) SO THEIR UNDERSTANDING??
there remains no forgiveness, they must change or else, no overlooking this sin, because the person is fully aware of what he or she is doing. SO IT IS ALL OF MAN??
GB,
The Spirit of truth is the Holy Spirit, way above human intellect.John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.1 John 5:6
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.Jesus was filled with grace and truth.
Understanding follows submission to the Spirit of Truth.GB,
You say
“The Spirit of Truth (is the awareness of truth), when a person knows he or she is speaking against what is true (that means have the Spirit of truth in them) there remains no forgiveness, they must change or else, no overlooking this sin, because the person is fully aware of what he or she is doing. “This could be read as saying what we have each understood from scripture is the real truth and to go against our own understanding would be unforgiveable in the eyes of God. The multitude of understandings on every subject on this forum is clear evidence that the uniting Spirit of God is not the source of most understandings but rather the carnal intellects of men.
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5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.GB,
You say
“It does not mean a person is eternally condemned it simply means there is no letting it go it must be dealt with and corrected, no just forgiven as most sines are”Really?
When did God decide to forgive MOST sins and which sins are not among them?Dealt with or corrected involves some form of purgatory and not faith?
Whatever is not of faith is of sin.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 11 2009,06:56) To ALL……….A unforgivable sin is a sin that cannot be forgiven, So you must Change you thinking. It involves the blasphemy (speaking out against the (TRUTH) It requires a change in the one who is doing it. The Spirit of Truth (is the awareness of truth), when a person knows he or she is speaking against what is true (that means have the Spirit of truth in them) there remains no forgiveness, they must change or else, no overlooking this sin, because the person is fully aware of what he or she is doing. It does not mean a person is eternally condemned it simply means there is no letting it go it must be dealt with and corrected, no just forgiven as most sines are. O and Nick it is not a sin that GOD has (DECIDED) He will not forgive, He can't forgive it because it is against what is true, and the person knows it. love and peace to you all……………………gene
Gene,Well said …………. I agree
Nick…….Again your lack of understanding becomes apparent, If you know what Spirit (IS) what i said makes perfect sense. Let me again help you to understand , SPIRIT is intellect expressed in words, there is (HOLY SPIRIT) or the Spirit of truth, maybe for and easier understanding for you, (and awareness of truth) or HOLY SPIRIT gives us the intellect to (KNOW) the truth from a lie. Now if you have that SPIRIT in you, you have GODLY INTELLECT(awareness) . Jesus' words to US WAS GODLY INTELLECT expressed through WORDS. Now with that said , If a person speaks against that SPIRIT (INTELLECT) It is not forgiven Him because He has the INTELLECT IN HIM, He therefore (MUST CHANGE) it is not just forgiven. In fact it can't be forgiven him. No overlooking it, as is now possible with most all things in this world, except those who have the understanding and speak against it, they (MUST CHANGE) no exceptions. No overlooking it. God will not hold a person unaccountable who has His spirit(intellect) of Truth in Him and goes against it, now or in the future either. how can He, if you are knowingly going against the truth and know it, you (MUST CHANGE) no forgiveness Just change only is required. Man is the one who makes the unforgivable sin as a punishable sin in a so-called (Lake of FIRE) Jesus never said that, just another false teaching of Christendom.
peace to you………………….gene
GB,
Making perfect sense to you only shows it fits with your intellect and carnal intellect is a faulty measure. And as usual it is your own ideas and not scriptural truth that you offer.2Cor.5:17-19 …17 So that, if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: the primitive passed by. Lo! there has come new!
18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.God has conciliated “THE WORLD” to Himself. Why are some so determined that Christs death and resurrection was not sufficient to pay our debt? (for our sin) Notice in the posted scripture “NOT RECKONING OUR OFFENCES TO US”. Is this not clear enough? We have been “conciliated to God”. God sees our sin no more!
God has “conciliated us to Himself” through Christ. In the future (His Timeing) He will “reconciliate” all, God will be “All in all”.Blessings.
Blessings.Nick……..lets examine what really said then. Mat 12:32 …> and whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the (HOLY SPIRIT), it shall (NOT) be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. So the possibility of this happening now or in the world to come exists. right
1…> do you see any where eternal death is implied here as you assume it is. in your not all saved ideologies. NO
2…> God said He has concluded all under sin that he might have mercy on all, And it also says Jesus died fro the sins of the entire world.
3…> what is blasphemy against the truth, is it not speaking out (against) truth. Notice here what Jesus said after this. He said make the tree good and it fruit good or make it bad and its fruit bad. He is showing here that speaking against the truth requires change as those who speak against the Holy Spirit must do. It is not forgiven (ever), so a person must change or He or she in not every forgiven, God will not overlook this now in this world or the world to come. Jesus said (ALL) manor of sin shall be forgiven Man except Blasphemy against the (HOLY SPIRIT) What is the HOLY SPIRIT is it not the SPIRIT (INTELLECT) OF TRUTH that was promised to come into us. Now if a person Has that in them and speaks against it , they know exactly what they are doing because of the Spirit of truth in them. They either change or are dealt with, in a sever way. But you can not show us where any of this says that the person will be “Burned UP”. If so [produce you proof, or just listen and keep you Stupid accusing and derogatory remarks to yourself.love and peace……………………….gene
GB,
The essence of salvation from the wrath of God is His forgiveness.
It is not promised to all men.To ALL……… HOLY SPIRIT is Absolute (truth) and has always existed , it is perfect truth and pure it cannot be altered it is a part of life that eternally existed. It can not change now or never. Therefore any thing that goes against it must it self change because truth will not ever change. Thats why it can't be forgiven anyone . Because it is steady unchanging unalterable. So anyone who blasphemes (Speak put against it) must be dealt with either in this life or the one to come, it makes no difference. Does it mean there going to be thrown int a literal fire as Nick hopes or thinks, NO it does not mean that, It simply means it not forgivable and must be dealt with. Truth is Truth and will never change for no body. IMO
Peace and love to all……………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 11 2009,14:07) GB,
The essence of salvation from the wrath of God is His forgiveness.
It is not promised to all men.
Nick…….O really, PROVE IT THEN. So show us where its not ultimately promised to all men then Nick, Present you proof before you start speaking for The Father as to what He will or will not do. So God did not conclude (ALL) under sin , that He might have mercy on (ALL) prove it Nick.peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
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