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Hi MB,
To do that you have to IGNORE the recorded fact of Isaiah seeing the glory of the Lord God in Is 6.
But you may choose to do that.Hi MB
Jn 12
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
THIS ABOVE IS QUOTING IS 53
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said AGAIN,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
THIS ABOVE IS FROM IS6
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
IN CONTEXT IT RELATES TO ISAIAH 6
the Glory of the Lord God
Hi,
What is mind boggling is that those who wrote the NIV were so deceived that they added the extra word JESUS to Jn 12.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2014,02:56) Hi,
What is mind boggling is that those who wrote the NIV were so deceived that they added the extra word JESUS to Jn 12.
it seems that it is better that you verbally change the scriptures and make them to be what you understand
why you did not answered me was it of Jesus that it was spoken in John 12
yes or NO and if yes why are you so obsess with it ;is it a lie or a truth ;
just because you do not have the power to change a version of scriptures does not allow you to lie about them
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2014,06:23) Hi T,
Still the accuser of the brethren?The Spirit in the vessel of Jesus Christ
Nickwho says that the one that as made it Jesus instead of HE in John 12 is not a brother ,
if you would look at my bibles they are a real workout ,providing it is true ,because we are looking for the truth ,
I do not accuse you, you have a accuser attitude ;
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2014,12:54) Hi MB,
Should we speculate?
I don't know, Nick………..Are YOU speculating that John was talking about Isaiah seeing GOD'S glory?
Listen……..
They refused to believe in JESUS. This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah.
WHAT was to fulfill the word of Isaiah, Nick? The fact that they didn't believe in JESUS? Or the fact that they didn't believe in JEHOVAH? The answer is “JESUS”, right?
Now, at this point, what SENSE would if make for John to point out that Isaiah saw GOD'S glory and spoke about GOD?
None at all. The statement would be SENSELESS in that context, where John is clearly applying certain things Isaiah said to the fact they didn't believe in JESUS. It would look like this: They didn't believe in Jesus. This was to fulfill the words of Isaiah, who had seen God and spoken about God.
See? It makes no sense.
So the bottom line is that “This (their non-belief in Jesus) was to fulfill the words that Isaiah had previously spoken about JESUS.”
Their disbelief in JESUS didn't fulfill any words Isaiah spoke about JEHOVAH, right? It fulfilled words Isaiah spoke about JESUS.
But you can understand it any way you'd like.
Hi MB,
You still elevate the flesh and miss the point.
They would not listen to God – speaking through his mouthpiecethe flesh contributes nothing
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2014,06:35) Hi MB,
You still elevate the flesh and miss the point.
They would not listen to God – speaking through his mouthpiecethe flesh contributes nothing
hithere was always some that listen ,because they knew their God ,
Hi:
Rather than starting a new thread, I want to suggest that for understanding scripture, specifically the book of Revelation that one try reading divided in the following sections: Read Revelation 1-11 as one unit, the read Revelation 12 thru 14 as a unit, and 15 thru 19 as a unit, and finally rev 21-22 as a unit.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ April 27 2014,04:02) Marty can you really not take in consideration Isaiah 24 and 25
and Ezekiel 48 just to mention a few
Pierre:I am talking about understanding the book of revelation.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 29 2014,06:02) Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2014,04:02) Marty can you really not take in consideration Isaiah 24 and 25
and Ezekiel 48 just to mention a few
Pierre:I am talking about understanding the book of revelation.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyalmost everything that is in revelation is in the OT
Hi,
The theological approach to scripture is like digging a flower garden with a bulldozer.
The head must be educated by the hearthi
Da 2:23 I thank and praise you, O God of my fathers:
You have given me wisdom and power,
you have made known to me what we asked of you,this is the way I have understand it ;
the scriptures are the words of God ;but not layout with a continuous explanation for everyone to understand ;but as been written so to bring interest in it from the heart of those that feel the need to be close to God ,
the bible seems to like a vehicle that lays on the floor all in separated parts ,by looking at it it seems to be a challenge to bring all those parts together ans see what it looks like ,but with the help of the engineer who design it it would be possible ,right ?yes
and so it is with the written words of God ;all the scriptures are the will of God in parts but it takes God to bring them in the proper order into our hearts so that the truth of his becomes ours ,
Quote (terraricca @ April 29 2014,11:19) Quote (942767 @ April 29 2014,06:02) Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2014,04:02) Marty can you really not take in consideration Isaiah 24 and 25
and Ezekiel 48 just to mention a few
Pierre:I am talking about understanding the book of revelation.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyalmost everything that is in revelation is in the OT
Hi Pierre:It may be that it is in the OT, but the word “revelation” means an unveiling of the truth, and the scriptures states that God gave this knowledge to Jesus Christ, and he revealed what God gave him to the church through his messengers.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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